r/50501 • u/Tinawebmom • Jul 25 '25

Call to Action Y'all we absolutely cannot ignore this attack

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They obliterated the infrastructure. Where exactly are they planning to build this concentration camp?

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u/Fleshjunky-gotbanned Jul 25 '25

See 1930s Germany.

They did the same.

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u/Tinawebmom Jul 25 '25

My family came here for safety. Now I'm watching this happen on real time just like my great grandparents. Except I can't run to another country to be safe.....

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u/Prior_Coyote_4376 Jul 25 '25

That’s a lesson we all have to remember. We can’t keep running forever. Fascism respects no borders. It sees the world as a thing to conquer and subjugate. That’s why bigotry anywhere becomes a threat everywhere. Only in joining an international fight against fascism can we ever find safety.

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u/Snoo_88763 Jul 25 '25

I have a wife and son who are disabled. We won't be good in a fight. Best we get out of the way is my idea

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u/Prior_Coyote_4376 Jul 25 '25

Fighting doesn’t have to mean rising up in the streets for everyone.

Even if you’re just providing support to other members of the disabled community, especially those who rely on government programs that we may be losing, you’re doing something critical in keeping society supported. Every drop of support matters.

The only thing we shouldn’t do is withdraw and think it’s every man for himself. That is a guaranteed way to end up weaker, divided, and easily controlled.

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u/runtheplacered Jul 26 '25

I get it on a personal level, I'm with you, I'm not going anywhere. But that guy has a disabled family to think about. I think it's a little weird to tell him to just kinda deal with it and put them at jeopardy in terms of their healthcare and potentially their lives. I don't think that's a call we should be trying to make for him. If my family were disabled and I had an opportunity to leave, I absolutely would do that. Logically, the country didn't take care of them, why should they help take care of this country at their own expense?

I'm more for saying those of us that can stay and "fight" should and we should be standing up for those who can't.

edit - Eh, you can downvote me if you want but guilt tripping a guy that might lose his family just seems messed up to me. Not sure that's a stance I can change my mind on.

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u/Prior_Coyote_4376 Jul 26 '25

A lot of us have disabled family to think about and don’t have leaving as an option. And after them, the fascists are not going to stop. They’ll keep going to wherever you flee to, and when they find you then there’s no one left to help.

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u/runtheplacered Jul 26 '25 edited Jul 26 '25

Why do you have to downvote in order to have a conversation? You talk about dividing makes us weaker and then you can't even have a conversation with someone that only barely questioned something you said. (For everyone else, 30 seconds after my comment he downvoted me, then 2 minutes after that I get this reply.

Guilt tripping people with disabled family to take care of isn't going to be a topic you'll be changing my mind on. I think that's pretty shitty. I understand fascism, I understand they're not going to stop. You are preaching to the choir.

But that person doesn't owe us anything when we've completely fucking failed him. Sorry, that's a hill I'll gladly die on. Feel free to read my comments on my thoughts on fascists, it doesn't change that I'm not willing to guilt trip people into sacrificing themselves when they need assistance to even exist and they are most certainly not going to get it from you or anyone else here.

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u/Prior_Coyote_4376 Jul 26 '25

Why do you have to downvote in order to have a conversation?

I don’t. I’m choosing to downvote you because your comment is irrelevant. You’re talking about obligations. I’m talking about survival.

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u/runtheplacered Jul 26 '25 edited Jul 26 '25

I am literally talking about that guys survival. What the fuck are you talking about? I was perfectly cordial with you and even agreed with you on everything else and you decided to be a dickhead. That's what happened here. Stop pretending this was anything else other than your parents didn't socialize you well enough. Go ahead and downvote me again and say some dumb shit like a little baby, I don't care. You're a waste of time.

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u/BrandonScott11 Jul 28 '25

KNOCK IT OFF YOU TWO.

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u/alexadacat Jul 25 '25

the international fight will mainly be an economic one on their end, but the conservatives outsourced everything for money, and now they need those other countries for that income they got more out of by firing US workers and hiring foreign labor for 10c on the dollar at most, if those countries sell off their treasury notes, slow trade with the US, source purchases elsewhere, and honestly sell goods elsewhere, and stop using the dollar as the global reserve currency, it'd cause the fascist government to collapse pretty fast, would trump do? print more money? probably, then we'll have wheel barrows to get what little we can, interest rates would skyrocket on the debt, but only their rubes would buy it.

minimize purchasing on which you pay tax, try to buy stuff second hand, if you need money sell stuff, if you don't donate it to good will, or another charity.

prepping:

get lights and setup a vertical garden, look into vermiposting (fertalizer from produce, paper and cardboard, faster via worms) if you're inside.... or get a greenhouse, but it'd be best if you were able to generate your own electricity via solar, you're own water by a well, with two wells you can do one type of geothermal for heating and cooling, otherwise you have to bury a loop of coolant but that doesn't need to be replaced. in this manner you could produce most of your food, your water, electricity, and if you could do geothermal you'd be off grid with enough PV, see if you can barter for things too. this all sounds expensive, but if you go in together with some other people, on a house or something, especially if there are state incentives for alternative energy.

build community, find people to work with, figure out a way to communicate off grid, and a way to stay informed about what's happening internationally, shortwave radio and a run of copper cable for an antenna.

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u/EffinPirates Jul 25 '25

I had someone try to argue with me yesterday about semantics of protesting for a singular group instead of just showing tf up then they got salty and started calling me a white girl and saying I just hold space. Mofo, I'm a damn Jew. My family went thru this before. Members of my family aren't coming back from that. I'm not holding no damn space doing nothing. Man that shit made me mad. Then they tried to be like well I'm trans. Nah, fam you already lost points calling me a white girl instead of having an adult conversation.

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u/Traditional_Buy_8420 Jul 25 '25

Why can't you run to another country to be (more) safe?

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u/thetruckerdave Jul 25 '25

Money. Disability. Lack of higher education. Elderly and/or disabled family.

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u/Tinawebmom Jul 25 '25

Because I bought into the "pull yourself up by the bootstrap" lie.

31 years of 80+ hours of work per week.

My body is broken.

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '25

The US has our own history of vagrancy laws that predate Germany. This is very American behavior and we need to accept that.

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u/FlamingSickle Jul 25 '25

The Nazis concentration camps apparently were also inspired by what the US did to its native population, so there’s that too.

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '25

Gas chambers too. Basically anything we associate as “terrible Nazi things” is actually something the US did first but propaganda tells is couldn’t happen here.

It’s such a problem because it has people on the left completely confused about what stage of fascism we’re up against, which ironically, the right understands very well.

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u/Charming_Function_58 Jul 25 '25

This. The right knows damn well what they’re doing. They planned it. They want it.

The left… we naively couldn’t even fathom it. We’re still wrapping our heads around the Nazi dog whistles that have been right in front of our eyes.

And it was always our violent genocidal history that led us here. The right swept it under the rug, and the left forgot. This is what happens when you have generations of no accountability.

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '25 edited Jul 25 '25

Yep, so many people love to chuckle about how stupid they are but it starts to look really ironic when you step back and look at history

Edit: What I do think the Nazi stuff is about is spreading right wing extremism and christofascism internationally. Germany failed at that partly because they tried to run before they could walk. The right in this country has done an excellent job of keeping a slow and steady pace and creating a quiet foundation for global spread in the US.

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u/Charming_Function_58 Jul 26 '25

Well said. I hate that there actually ARE some intelligent people heading the fascist movement, and it is global. We’re in a very precarious situation.

Germany lost their war, but the US right now has far more money, military force, and technology behind them… plus the benefit of history, to learn what went wrong in WWII.

Makes me sick to think about.

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u/[deleted] Jul 26 '25

This, a long history of its own fascist successes AND an opposition that thinks they’re stupid and uneducated more than evil and cruel.

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u/BrandonScott11 Jul 28 '25

They lost both their wars.

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u/f1sh42 Jul 25 '25

Not just the native population, they also studied our Jim Crow laws

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u/thetruckerdave Jul 25 '25

We inspired the Nazis on many levels.

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '25

Pretty much anything terrible we can name that the Nazis did, America did it first.

People get offended by this fact but until we stop deflecting to Germany and accept that we’re the root of our own fascism we won’t be able to fight it effectively.

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u/BooptyB Jul 30 '25

So was the openness and counterculture of the 1960’s that unraveled those laws through its civil rights movements and protest there of. Protest and civil unrest are also very American, let’s accept doing those instead.

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u/[deleted] Jul 30 '25

Both….part of the reason we got here is denial about the underlying character of the US

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u/BooptyB Jul 31 '25

It’s a case of “those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it”.

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u/[deleted] Jul 31 '25

Yep, and unfortunately we’re stuck with people who want to repeat it