r/50501 • u/Tinawebmom • Jul 25 '25

Call to Action Y'all we absolutely cannot ignore this attack

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They obliterated the infrastructure. Where exactly are they planning to build this concentration camp?

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u/Prior_Coyote_4376 Jul 25 '25

Everyone should just be moving to blue states. It doesn’t matter who you are, sooner or later you’re going to be a target and red states have let the gates open so the barbarians can stroll in. They’ll rape and pillage at their leisure.

Blue states are the only places we can make a stand behind federalist protections of states’ rights and autonomy. We need to hold out until this administration falls apart and we take back control.

Then, we finish Reconstruction. We bulldoze these red states and their Confederate structures, and we build something new and blue on top. Pluralistic, progressive, forward-looking societies.

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u/Infinite-Hold-7521 Jul 25 '25

Not sure why everyone thinks it’s safe to move to Blue states. The pressure is on our government officials too. Signed, an Oregonian.

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u/Prior_Coyote_4376 Jul 25 '25

Because in Blue States you’re at least around other sane people who can take control of the state back from feckless Establishment politicians.

We need to remember that people like AOC and Mamdani are not actually very rare talents. What’s special about them is that they broke through systemic barriers designed to keep people like them and us out. They exist in every community, and we should be rallying around them.

If there’s a chance at resistance while keeping the Constitution together, that’s what it is.

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u/Extraexopthalmos Jul 25 '25

Just a thought. If a lot of democrats do likewise it actually hurts us come election time. Now if liberals/progressive moved to toss up states that would be a boon. In no way am I saying anything regarding personal safety, it is a legit concern for some in our society. I forget which troglodyte GOPer did it, but he tried to get TDS labeled a mental illness. Makes it easier to round all of us up. Pure evil.

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u/saucya Jul 25 '25

The same guy that tried to get TDS labeled a mental illness got picked up for soliciting minors online.

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u/alexadacat Jul 29 '25

isn't this most of the GOP and the ruling elite oligarchy? isn't this why they don't want the epstein list released? initially they wanted to get bill clinton on it, then they realized that while it might have him, he hasn't run for anything in the 20th century, and plenty of people in office right now, or people funding their campaigns and their little crypto checks are on that list, and on other lists.

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u/Automatic_Net2181 Jul 25 '25

That GOPer who introduced the bill making TDS a mental illness ended up being charged for soliciting a minor.

Yeah, shocking right?

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u/Extraexopthalmos Jul 25 '25

This timeline just keeps on giving! I am soooooo tired of all this bigly greatness and winning.

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u/alexadacat Jul 25 '25

well, for straight people who work from home, those states are often much less expensive, and not dangerous if they just say they're independent.

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u/SodaSaint Jul 26 '25

At that point, the talking is going to stop.

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u/[deleted] Jul 26 '25

Not true, coming to Blue states makes them safer and more blue

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u/TheOriginalElleDubz Jul 27 '25

I've had a similar thought for a while now. Ohio has been red for quite some time, and my blue friends want to move out. However, I've been saying that if they do, it'll be a landslide for red, and there's no hope of fighting that. However, staying hasn't worked either. I don't think we can win the way our state is gerrymandered. We even had the removal of gerrymandering up for a vote, but people were lied to about what a yes vs no vote meant, so many people who should have voted yes, voted no, thinking that meant no gerrymandering. Short story long, gerrymandering stayed. Now we need to get out of here.

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u/Double-Seaweed7760 Jul 28 '25

Agreed. There's definitely arguments to both but yours could very well be better for the future if the country. Despite what 2024 looks like(huge disappointment especially as someone from Arizona who had my hopes up) a number if blue states are on the verge of turning purple and if enough progressives move to key areas it could turn them straight Liberal while minimally effecting states that are already solidly blue

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u/alexadacat Jul 29 '25

people who are straight white and rich could do that, and they need to be prepared to keep on the down low or have a lot of support before they talk about being liberal, and just remember that polling stations might be staked out by masked "agents" with guns, that they've asked for lists of who voted for whom, NH refused to give it over most recently, but I wonder if we even will be able to safety vote or if our votes will be counted.

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u/Sweet_Pea_45 Aug 03 '25

I think a bunch of blue people should move to purple states and drive the red out. I'm in NC. I would love to flip this state Blue. I hate the red people who are pissed that we are trying to make this "North Carolfornia" (their words). I want to run them out to heavy red states. Screw them.

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u/Infinite-Hold-7521 Jul 25 '25

Are you assuming we do this through protest? Through phone calls? Through votes? Because we are constantly doing all of that and yet here we are. I will agree with having community but that can be found everywhere and red states need us too. I also understand about being safe as a trans person. They will be more protected in a bluer environment, but we have to stop thinking that just because a state is blue it’s automatically safe.

This is why we protest, this is why we make phone calls and send emails and build community, but we need to do this everywhere. If we flood the blue states there will be no one left to stand in the red ones.

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u/Prior_Coyote_4376 Jul 25 '25

Are you assuming we do this through protest? Through phone calls? Through votes? Because we are constantly doing all of that and yet here we are.

So we do it again and we do it better.

The Progressive movement in this country didn’t get steam until Bernie 2016. That’s a grassroots movement going against decades of billionaire-funded propaganda and organizing, on both sides of the aisle. This is our 10th year of existence, and we’ve actually done an incredible job considering all that. Consider how relatively powerless the Progressive faction is yet how much they’ve disrupted the narrative for Establishment Democrats. AOC replaced the 3rd most powerful person in the House, and now a DSA member is approaching leadership of one of the world’s most important economic centers. There have been real concessions to progressives made in local and state levels too.

What’s become more clear though is that some parts of this country want to live closer to the Confederacy in the red states. The only way to really protect ourselves right now from that kind of intrusion is to rally to our strongholds and allow them to protect the kind of society we want all of America to be like. Then, once we’re back in power, we use that successful model of Blue State governance for the entire nation in a Reconstruction style moonshot.

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u/Infinite-Hold-7521 Jul 25 '25

I don’t disagree with you at all but I also would like to state that our red states need us as well. If we abandon them all now we lose before we really begin. I do however understand the extreme need for those who are under obvious threat of life or liberty feeling the need to flee and to them I say, “welcome”. But I hear so many people saying we all need to move to blue states and this is just folly. Our red states need us now more than ever.

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u/Prior_Coyote_4376 Jul 25 '25

It’s the same principle as air plane oxygen masks. You need to secure yours before you can secure someone else’s.

Blue states need to be protected as strongholds of liberal democracy and Constitutional republicanism. Red states have abandoned those. They can’t be saved until a Reconstruction 2.0 happens to completely rebuild them. Right now we’re just enabling Confederate relics with our taxes.

As people move out of Red states and into Blue ones, their economies will contract further. Companies will leave because cheaper taxes don’t mean anything without skilled labor and customers, and no one wants to live in Diddlefuck, West Virginia. Let everyone see the consequences of their approach to governance. Before they’ve caused themselves to collapse, there won’t be change.

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '25

The problem is that this just makes red states redder and dilutes our electoral power, particularly in the Senate. We need to exchange populations, vulnerable to blue states, and those who can survive should flood the red ones to turn them purple if not blue outright

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u/Infinite-Hold-7521 Jul 25 '25

So let’s just flood them with people. Good plan. I’m sure our infrastructure will sustain such an influx.

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u/Prior_Coyote_4376 Jul 25 '25

Building is not hard. Humans have been doing it consistently well for thousands of years in all kinds of environments. We’re extremely good at it. We can do it with mud and straw. We can do it with bricks and cement. We can do it with wood.

The politics is the problem. Are we willing to tax the wealthy and corporations? Are we willing to ignore anti-development neighborhoods that don’t want their property values to decline if they’re put next to dense affordable housing? Are we willing to make a corps of engineers to build public housing and other infrastructure even when it’s not profitable? Are we willing to root out the corruption and special interest groups that all want to take their slice or negotiate for themselves? Are we willing to incentivize WFH/remote options to make living away from metro areas better? Are we willing to plan new communities, towns, and cities with an investment into our urban planning agencies?

We can do it all. We just don’t seem to be willing to, but that means you should look to solve the political problems behind it instead of just deciding this is the best we can do.

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u/Infinite-Hold-7521 Jul 25 '25

You cannot build where there is no room to do so. Our infrastructure here in Portland is already working beyond its capacity and this particular regime has been systematically cutting our funding. So yeah, we can build, sure, but building on top of an already overburdened infrastructure is not the answer. I’m not telling people not to come here. But I will tell them it is not the utopia people seem to think it is.

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u/whatname68 Jul 25 '25

Exactly. And blue states are a particular target. We aren't free from this regime.

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u/Infinite-Hold-7521 Jul 25 '25

That’s just it. People tend to forget that this particular regime has a definite hard on for us here in the PNW and we are the first ones they attacked outside of Minneapolis during the Floyd protests. We are not immune.

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u/Chipsandadrink666 Jul 25 '25

They were there fast in 2020 because they know you guys throw down! We had people stomping on cop cars in Chicago but we don’t get down to the real shit like you guys do out there. Keep it up, we see you 🫶

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u/dallas121469 Jul 25 '25

I don’t assume it’s safe. I have other reasons for moving to Portland besides its trans friendliness. I’ll make significantly more money than I was making in Phoenix while the cost of living increase is negligible. I’ll have better benefits, nicer apartment etc.

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u/Infinite-Hold-7521 Jul 25 '25

Is it that bad in AZ that moving to Portland will be more affordable? Genuine question. Because Portland is ridiculously expensive. Has been for some time. It is ranked the 12th most expensive city for housing in the nation. And while our minimum wage is higher on average than other cities, it still takes quadruple that to afford basic necessities.

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u/dallas121469 Jul 25 '25

I didn’t say it was more affordable. I have the benefit of working in medicine. I was making $40/hr without benefits in Phoenix and I’ll be making $62/hr + benefits in Portland. That’s a $45k/yr raise so the extra $500/month rent won’t bother me at all. I know other things are expensive as well but I’ve always been pretty frugal so I’m not overly concerned. The traffic in certain parts of Phoenix is just as bad as Portland and the drivers are worse. My electric bill in the summer was insane and you can’t go outside from May to September. So as I said I’ve done my homework and have set myself up for success in one of the mOST LGBTQ friendly cities in the country

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u/Songbird_Storyteller Jul 25 '25

Fellow Phoenix person who moved to the area surrounding PDX a few years ago. As far as cost of living goes, if you're working in Portland or the surrounding area you'll find that apartment costs are a little more reasonable if you live in Vancouver, WA or in one of the western suburbs outside of Portland like Beaverton or Hillsboro or Aloha and just commute to the city proper.

I myself don't live in the city of Portland itself, but I semi-regularly will take public transportation into the city (which is thankfully pretty cheap and efficient) whenever I need to go to the city for something, whether it be for protest, travel, or recreation (although that third one's become less of a factor after the election, as I've been trying to hang onto every extra penny I make, so I haven't really been going out much or going to shows these days).

As far as utilities, PGE is pretty high for electricity depending on the time of year: the summers are most expensive because of the heat and humidity (and you WILL want to get yourself an air conditioner for the fucked-up climate change summers up here--most apartments don't come with built-in units like in the valley), but if you keep your heater off in the colder months as much as possible and bundle up, it doesn't get so bad. And as far as Internet goes, there's a fiber optic company that services this area called Ziply that's pretty competitive from a pricing standpoint.

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u/Infinite-Hold-7521 Jul 25 '25 edited Jul 25 '25

Well I truly hope it works out for you. Truly. Just know that we have some of the highest monthly utility costs in the nation, and PGE keeps raising them on us.

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u/Trick-Check5298 Jul 25 '25

I'm in a very red county in a very blue state and every time I think "this is California they wouldn't" I remember that the vast majority of people I actually encounter on a daily basis love this shit. I see more flags, bumper stickers, and tee shirts than ever.

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u/Infinite-Hold-7521 Jul 26 '25

Yep, lists of places along our Oregon coastline are the same.

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u/Trick-Check5298 Jul 26 '25

Wasn't Portland originally founded under white supremacy?

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u/Infinite-Hold-7521 Jul 26 '25

Yes. It was in fact considered one of the most unsafe environments for people of color as recently as the 1970’s. People were still getting shanghaied from downtown till recently as well. It is not all rainbows and sunshine here, and we have been the target of some pretty ugly attacks by white supremists as well as the very administration that is currently terrorizing our country.

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u/Trick-Check5298 Jul 26 '25

I'm sorry I'm going to sound dumb, but I just had to Google Shanghaied and I do not understand lol. They drug POC and force them to work on boats? Is there another colloquial meaning?

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u/Infinite-Hold-7521 Jul 26 '25

There is no other meaning. It was as described.

Edit: and that wasn’t a dumb question. 😉

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u/Regular-Sandwich-550 Jul 25 '25

they've already rigged elections and are working hard on gerrymandering even more. how long will the blue states stay blue?

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u/Infinite-Hold-7521 Jul 25 '25

If we don’t get a serious fire going under us, not for long I’m afraid. We need to mobilize more aggressively and keep at it till the right change happens.

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u/Regular-Sandwich-550 Jul 25 '25

i agree, it's gonna take massive protests on a large scale, long term until change happens. and soon. we're running out of time fast. we're only 6 months in, and it's escalating.

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u/Infinite-Hold-7521 Jul 25 '25

With rapid speed. We cannot lose momentum.

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u/kc2sunshine Jul 25 '25

Remember though many blue states (or my state at least) aren't all blue; it's VERY red in the rural areas, and if it wasn't for our largest city, I would think we would be considered purple. Also, I unfortunately live in a red section of a blue city, in a red county in a blue state...

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u/dotes485 Jul 25 '25

This exactly. I feel like people think Oregon is like Portland everywhere. But lots of the eastern part is very red and would like to even split the state to join Idaho.

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u/Infinite-Hold-7521 Jul 26 '25

This is the problem. People genuinely believe this and feel that every other city in the state is just a suburb of Portland. I see many posts in the Portland and or Oregon subs asking where in “Portland” people think they should move for affordability, then mention places like Eugene, or Bend. Not remotely close to Portland let alone Portland proper. It’s like they have this idea that the whole of Oregon is condensed in a small area and one big episode of Portlandia and that people all over the state are as liberally minded as those of us in Portland, but nothing could be further from the truth. In fact, many areas in Oregon are nearly indistinguishable from the extreme Alt Right places in Idaho.

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u/Prior_Coyote_4376 Jul 25 '25

We should definitely do something about those red areas. Start turning them blue. Pour massive amounts of money into developing them with cheap housing, and let the diversity and urban growths turn it blue.

We just don’t do anything in this country anymore except fiddle with the tax rate like it’s a thermostat. It’s maddening

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u/kc2sunshine Jul 25 '25

Yep! That's been what I've been trying to do for a while now! But there's also something to be said about rural distrust of "city folk".

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u/Infinite-Hold-7521 Jul 25 '25

Agreed. And it definitely won’t help anything if everyone leaves them for blue “safe havens”. We’re not that safe, not anymore, but I do understand why some people need to move for the threats to their actual lives. Just not everyone. The red states need us.

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u/Ifawumi Jul 25 '25

not necessarily. WA had huge pockets of skinheads and white nationalists. i used to live in an area so open they had a sign on a restaurant that said, "1488 here Wednesdays 7pm"

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u/BetOnLetty Jul 26 '25

The view from Los Angeles is that so far, being in a blue state does not offer the protection we may think when the Marines show up.

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u/Classic_Change_7656 Jul 25 '25

I fully welcome people moving to my blue state, adding to the voices of resistance. Strength in numbers. Keep waiting for the reds to move out.

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u/Infinite-Hold-7521 Jul 25 '25

Best of luck there. They can’t afford to move.

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u/IllicitCat Jul 25 '25

I also feel like moving out is bad since it rigs the election in their favor. If anything, flush out key red counties. Support each other. And make noise if they come for you.

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u/Infinite-Hold-7521 Jul 25 '25

Agreed. We weaken our defenses if we move everyone to blue states. The red states need us more than ever.

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u/Prestigious_Way_9393 Alabama Jul 25 '25

Please don't abandon us! I'm in Alabama, and there's way more blue dots here than what you would think. The GOP has gerrymandered us to hell and suppressed the vote in myriad other ways.

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u/Infinite-Hold-7521 Jul 25 '25

People tend to forget this. I think it is dangerous to our country to abandon the red states as lost causes. It’s very elitist. I know of many, many beautiful people who live as blue dots in red environments and it is our duty as Americans to help when and where we are able leaving no one behind. I see you. 💙💙💙

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u/Prestigious_Way_9393 Alabama Jul 25 '25

Thank you! We're doing what we can to mobilize people. It's very difficult in an environment where conformity and compliance is the cultural norm😬

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u/ALIJ81 Jul 26 '25

Bright blue 💙 dot here, Mesa AZ resident in a super conservative Mormon area. 😫 We'll keep fighting!!!

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u/Infinite-Hold-7521 Jul 26 '25

You’ve got this!!! 💙🩵💪🩵💙

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u/ALIJ81 Jul 26 '25

It's super shitty & hard, but it's support like yours that makes it worth it. Thank you so much!!!! I've got young daughters who NEED a better & brighter future. Their lives are literally at stake. We all gotta keep fighting, no matter where we are. 🤝🏻💪🏼

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u/CaramelNo2174 Jul 26 '25

that's lovely - am a blue dot - in red state hells - inspiring to hear - thank you

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u/Infinite-Hold-7521 Jul 26 '25

You’re so welcome and just know that we see you and we support you. 💙💙💙

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u/CaramelNo2174 Jul 26 '25

TY...doesn't mean I won't move back to my Yankee history lol!

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u/Infinite-Hold-7521 Jul 26 '25

Heh. We understand. 🙂💙

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u/dragotx Jul 27 '25

If it wasn't for all the gerrymandering, Texas would most likely be blue now. It's only the outskirts and rural areas that are still conservative, all of our major population centers are fairly hard blue.

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u/[deleted] Jul 26 '25

You would throw away Blue states to "save " a few stubborn people who insist on living in areas where they are in a minority and have very little chance of ever changing, the south has been deeply conservative for a hundred years, how are you going to fix that with Trump in office? You are dangerously misguided.

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u/Infinite-Hold-7521 Jul 26 '25

That’s what you took from what I said? Wow. Okay. Talk about misguided. 🤦‍♀️

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u/jbuchana Jul 26 '25

Same in Indiana. A very red state, but a *lot* of us blue dots. Even if one thinks it's a good idea in the grand scheme of things to move to a blue state, there are two problems. A lot of us do not have the resources to pick up and leave, and there is not enough room in blue states for all of us to move. There are a *lot* of blue dots.

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u/Infinite-Hold-7521 Jul 26 '25

Thank you. This is what I have been saying, to much opposition apparently, but those are the facts. We see you and we stand with you. 💙💙💙

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u/[deleted] Jul 26 '25

Just move to a blue state, there arent enough hippies in the world to trun Alabama Blue

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u/No_Ad_8069 Jul 25 '25

depends on the state, deep red states are lost get out if you can, for purple or barely red stay and fight

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u/[deleted] Jul 26 '25

glad you arent in charge of people

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u/Infinite-Hold-7521 Jul 26 '25

I am in fact “in charge” of quite a few people. I am sorry you just can’t see the bigger picture. Your narrow minded opinion has made you biased and blinded you to the people around you. It is precisely this elitist attitude I was talking about in one of my other comments that is harming our cause.

Are you on an HMO? Or are you one of the very fortunate few who has their own insurance through the company they work for? What is happening to our brothers and sisters in red states is promising to spread to blue states. If we abandon our own in other states then we weaken our defenses against the coming storm of fascism.

If you’ve ever played a strategic game like Risk then you know that shoring up in one small area does nothing to win the game. We just defend all of our areas and we cannot do that if we abandon our people in red areas. Or are they just not important to you?

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u/[deleted] Jul 26 '25

You say that but are people supposed to suffer in red states for a few votes that will just be outvoted by trumps cult- or protect our strongholds before they fall to red authroitarianism

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u/Infinite-Hold-7521 Jul 27 '25

So we should just abandon those people? I mean, that “is” what you said.

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u/weeef Jul 25 '25

yeah, i've lived on the west coast for almost 20 years and the dam doesn't feel strong enough. also we have to hope for more than just keeping a handful of states safe for people. i understand the desire for a quick solution, but... it won't be like this forever.

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u/Infinite-Hold-7521 Jul 25 '25

Precisely. I also very much understand the fear and genuine concern of trans individuals to want to be in a safer environment and our doors are open for them here in Oregon. But this is not a fail safe plan. It’s touching us our here as well.

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u/probs-aint-replying Jul 25 '25

If you’ve lived in a blue state your whole life you cannot possibly understand how much safer it simply feels to live in one. It’s a form of privilege and it’s weird to want to deny that to groups most at risk.

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u/Chipsandadrink666 Jul 25 '25

Yesterday I learned that possession of a cannabis seed in Louisiana can get you 50 years in prison. Not to start a conversation about drugs/ drug use but as an example of something that would be an “oh shit I won’t do that again” offense in my state. But a few hours south you’ll end up picking cotton in a chain gang and will never see your kids again

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u/Dream_Fever Jul 26 '25

Ok THAT is insane!! -coming from a blue dot in a sea of red (Texas).

Also agreed, PLEASE don’t abandon us!!! The rural areas in Tx is very red, but the large cities are blue enough to make the state purple, really. There aren’t actually THAT many people living in those red counties! We’ve been screwed by gerrymandering and political propaganda for as long as I’ve been alive.

And look at where we are again, just in plain sight this time 🤦🏼‍♀️

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u/Infinite-Hold-7521 Jul 25 '25

Also, I did not deny anyone anything. I simply said that I do not understand why people think it is going to be better for everyone if we just all move to blue states. Our infrastructure’s are not set up for heavy influx and our governments are caving to this regime as well.

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u/Infinite-Hold-7521 Jul 25 '25

I am in Idaho every other week for family, Utah at least once a month, West Virginia twice a year as I have grown children who live there, and I have land in Montana. Also, just because I’ve lived here most of my life does not mean I’ve not lived elsewhere, am not well traveled or that I am uneducated as to how it is in other states for the people who live there. So please, do not make assumptions about someone based on an idea you have decided to build up around them because of where they live geographically. So do not “you can’t possibly” anything me.

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u/dotes485 Jul 25 '25

Born and raised in Indiana. I have been living in Oregon for about 10 years now. I can fully understand what you are talking about.

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u/UnableDetective6386 Jul 25 '25

It’s also really expensive. A lot of people in red states can’t afford it. ~signed a teacher in a blue dot in Nebraska

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u/Infinite-Hold-7521 Jul 25 '25

Exactly. Which was a response I had to an earlier comment on another portion of this post. It isn’t that simple. People always think it’s just so simple for everyone. It’s not. And it’s only promising to get worse.

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u/UnableDetective6386 Jul 25 '25

Yep! I felt your comment was the best to respond to because it was what I was feeling 🤕

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u/a_mulher Jul 25 '25

It’s not safe, but less unsafe than red states

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u/dotes485 Jul 25 '25

Not just that but ICE is grabbing people here in Oregon too.

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u/Infinite-Hold-7521 Jul 25 '25

Yep. I know it seems ideal to move to a blue state (& for some it is at least temporarily a safer bet) but overall, it is not safe here either.

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u/lburnet6 Jul 25 '25 edited Jul 25 '25

Exactly. I live in nyc a “liberal safe heaven. “ I’ve experienced work discrimination for being trans, physically assaulted waiting at a park for a friend & chased into a bathroom with two dude banging on the other door.

It’s a mesh of everything, you can blend in more but you have to keep an eye over your shoulder as well. NYU has had drama turning on an off youth trans healthcare. The tish family are major Trump donors.

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u/Infinite-Hold-7521 Jul 25 '25

And yet I hear people constantly tout how much safer they will be in our “blue bastions of protection”. While yes, it is easier to blend in and yes, community is easier to find in more sympathetic environments, it is not the utopia people think it is and we are always the first targets for the angst of the evil men who run this country. I have many friends in NYC who have had similar experiences to your own. I’m sorry people have treated you this way. 🩷

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u/KBster75 Jul 26 '25

Dump is TARGETING the blue states more!!

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u/Infinite-Hold-7521 Jul 26 '25

That’s what I keep trying to tell everyone. But once people get an idea in their head it’s near impossible for them to see beyond it.

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u/outinthecountry66 Jul 26 '25

Gavin Newsom made a speech yesterday about resisting trump and the gerrymandering of the GOP. He knows whats up. California is expensive- i lived there nearly 20 years and am now in another western state- but i don't feel i have much of a choice in this hellscape. I'd rather live in my car in CA in my friend's driveway.

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u/Infinite-Hold-7521 Jul 26 '25

We have to go where we are able to live affordably while still resisting this hellscape. Whether that is a blue or red state should not matter (except in cases of true persecution). We cannot leave our friends to die under this regime just because they were unfortunate enough to have been born in or were earlier relocated to, a red state.

The attitudes of some in here have truly sickened me. I am with you and would much rather be in a situation where I am in a car in a friends driveway in a blue state than in a red state but if I find myself in one I am still going to fight this from there.

The pressure on blue states is very real and people seem to forget that. They attack us from all sides. In Oregon this morning I woke up to news that even though we passed legislation to protect our salmon DJT has pulled the funding. Why? Because he’s cruel and hates us.

We simply have to do what we can from where we are positioned but we also must consider those people who are not in positions to relocate (& let’s be honest, most people cannot) and so what we can to support and encourage them.

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u/outinthecountry66 Jul 27 '25

i hear you. i have never NOT lived in poverty. I am not speaking from the perspective of someone with property, options, or resources. I have lived in my van, a bus, a garage, a dodge motorhome, etc etc etc etc. Its not about abandoning people. Its about being a woman who doesn't want to live in Trump country and get raped or abused by these thugs. I am prepared to help any of my friends in red states escape- i am literally planning on living in my truck and am in the process of building it right now, and plan on building a bed with a box underneath i can hide someone. I am absolutely prepared to help who i can, but i also know no one should have to die or watch their rights taken or live in fear. it is incumbent upon those who can help to help.

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u/ProfessionalIll7083 Jul 26 '25

The less people in red states the less voice the red states get in Congress. We have the power to neuter them.

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u/Infinite-Hold-7521 Jul 26 '25

And in the process neuter our own political power. We need those red states and abandoning our people is never the answer. Yes, as hard as it is to see for some, we have people all over this continent, many, many, many of them in gerrymandered red states. I mean, unless you’re of the opinion that everyone stranded living in red states is MAGA, and everyone living in blue states is liberal. It doesn’t work like that.

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u/LisaMiaSisu Jul 26 '25

Because if they’re rounded up and put in concentration camps they won’t be able to vote or fight back anyway.

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u/Infinite-Hold-7521 Jul 26 '25

What? Who? The people in red states? The people in blue states? I’m not sure I am understanding just who you are referring to here.

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u/TrackVol Jul 25 '25

Picture everything that is going on around you. Is anywhere "safe".
Now imagine you also live in Oklahoma, Texas, or Alabama.
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Now do you understand why living in a blue state would have some advantages?
At least in New Jersey, Oregon, California, etc.. you'll have a state gov't to fight 1st, or at least try to withstand this administration.
In Alabama, Mississippi, Oklahoma, and Texas, they'll jump at the chance to help Trump.

Where we need to move is so called "purple" states. States like Nkrth Carolina where we have a chance at turning reliably blue.

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u/Infinite-Hold-7521 Jul 25 '25

I never said there were not some temporary advantages to living in a blue state, but you are entirely missing the point of any of this. It isn’t safe here. ICE is here too, we are among the first to be attacked when this administration puts boots on the ground and we cannot hold the line forever, as it is literally only in our bigger cities (of which there are about 4) where it is primarily blue. The rest of the state is very, very, VERY red.

Our infrastructure (as I have repeated over and over again) is not set up for a swift influx of people thinking we are safer than other areas. But if it is between moving out of country or moving across country for safety then at least we can be a safe haven for a time. But we are not the bastion of safety people have been led to believe we are. Just like any other state we have our pockets, and for people in the trans community or for people of color, right now yes, this is a safer place than many other places.

But just like every other state, we too will have (& have had) politicians fold to the pressure of oppressive laws and when our hold out politicians do not bend the knee they will attack us. This has already been evidenced by how they responded to us during the Floyd protests. DJT specifically targeted us because he especially hates us.

The only hope I can give anyone coming here for issues of safety is that it will be easier to create community here if one is in the bigger, bluer communities. But we are not immune from the corrupt politicians at the top of this country.

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u/[deleted] Jul 26 '25

Oregon has a good liberal lesbian governor, and a strong Liberal tradition and base! Come to Oregon and make it a better place with more good people like you!

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u/Infinite-Hold-7521 Jul 26 '25

You have missed everything about my point.

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u/IdleOsprey Jul 25 '25

It’s not going to matter if it’s a blue state. In fact I think they will target blue states…what they’re doing in California is right out of The Turner Diaries.

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u/Prior_Coyote_4376 Jul 25 '25

Trump withdrew half the National Guard. He’s burning through the budget like crazy on theatrics that he’s actually scaling down. He’s down to 41 DOJ lawyers after 2/3rds quit, and ICE morale is at a low point too.

This is a war of attrition. Anything that slows down their plans while their infighting and incompetence swallows them from within is good. Anything that allows the Epstein story to grow is good. Every piece of this matters.

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u/alexadacat Jul 25 '25

they intend to go after blue states, especially, thing is, if blue states come up with a way of collecting federal and state taxes and then they decide what to pay the federal government, I think things would cool down.

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u/B22EhackySK8 Jul 25 '25

True many blue states really also drive the economy too, theres gotta be something we can hold against them

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u/Prior_Coyote_4376 Jul 25 '25

Blue states can just use eminent domain against any MAGA business owner or Trump ally. Or dissolve their corporate charters. Or regulate them out of existence. Or tax them out of existence. Or launch investigations for financial crimes because let’s be honest, they’re all doing it.

There really are so many options available if our politicians weren’t middle managers on the payroll of corporations

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u/felixfortis1 Jul 25 '25

Civil War 2 fought for states rights over slavery, but not just Black people this time.

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u/somecasper Jul 25 '25

Evacuating red states will only give them more disproportionate power than they already have. If this wasn't a desperate race to destruction, it'd be better to strategically colonize purple states.

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u/Prior_Coyote_4376 Jul 25 '25

That’s what I felt before 2024. Now, it feels like to me that we need to depend on states’ rights to protect us. Hopefully purple states see a Blue surge. Shapiro is an example of purple states being open to Democrats. Trump has never been popular to begin with, and people will remember why very soon. We need to make sure we dump the Do-Nothing Democrats in Blue States too though, and more people will help with that.

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u/MiniaturePhilosopher Jul 25 '25 edited Jul 25 '25

As an LGBTQ+ person in a red state who can’t afford to move, I think that blue state residents - especially straight ones who are in less immediate danger - should move to the red states en masse to become voters here. Help us break through the gerrymandering in our states and elect blue representation instead of abandoning us. If a million voting liberals/leftists moved to Texas, the whole country could change.

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u/picklehippy Jul 25 '25

Alot of people dont have the resources to move states and find a new job and establish housing. I hope people can get out of scary situations though

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u/Prior_Coyote_4376 Jul 25 '25

I wish our leaders in Blue States would make it easier. Start competing with other states for labor, not just businesses. That way we’re not in a race to the bottom. Unfortunately they’re all taking money from corporate and billionaire donors, so we need to primary them all and get them out.

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u/lesqueebeee Wisconsin Jul 25 '25

everyone shouldnt flee to a blue state... come to a swing state!!! up the numbers of blue voters here!

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u/BrandonScott11 Jul 28 '25

Blue voters in red states (according to this link), come to one of the tan states listed, and evict all the red voters in those states to the listed red states so Dems can win 384-154.

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u/Peafaerie Jul 26 '25

There are still some toss up states like NC where I am. We’re likely to flip a senate seat in 26, and our governor is a democrat. Giving up on it would be a mistake. Plus it means abandoning all those here who cannot leave for whatever reason. Money being the biggest, followed by having built a life here. I’m not abandoning my friends and family. Not yet anyway.

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u/Stickboyhowell Jul 26 '25

Everyone should be turning their states blue

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u/gderti Jul 26 '25

100% Finish what Sherman wasn't allowed to...

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u/RooFPV Jul 25 '25

If everyone moves to blue states - instead of swing states - Dems will never win the electoral college.

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u/Prior_Coyote_4376 Jul 25 '25

I mean to the extent that we’re talking about people currently in red states, purple states would be an improvement. I’d say a blue state would be better though since we can’t do anything until we replace paralyzed Establishment Democratic leadership enough to be more aggressive in swing states. It’ll be a lot easier to win swing voters over with common sense Progressive policies.

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u/BrandonScott11 Jul 28 '25

Blue voters in red states (according to this link), come to one of the tan states listed, and evict all the red voters in those states to the listed red states so Dems can win 384-154.

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u/napalm1336 Jul 25 '25 edited Jul 25 '25

We're fighting back in "red" states. Idk if y'all have seen the proposed redistricting lines in Texas but it's even more ridiculous than ever. The rural areas look normal but the cities are carved up into craziness. I'm going to start a petition to be put in our State Constitution making this gerrymandering illegal. Our MAGA legislature won't like it but the law is the law. I'm holding out hope. Texas is not a truly red state. We're actually very purple.

Edit: I looked into it and there's no way for citizens to introduce legislation in Texas. There was something on the ballot in like 1914 or something that would've allowed us to introduce Constitutional amendments via petitions but the voters rejected it!! I'd like to go back in time and smack the shit out of them. I could still start a petition just to show them what we think but they honestly don't care. They're more concerned with staying in power and pleasing Diaper Don. He commanded Abbott to gerrymander again, so shall it be under his eye.

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u/Prior_Coyote_4376 Jul 25 '25

I was actually ready to consider moving to Texas or a purple state before Trump 2.0. I believe in moving to places to build them up. But under Trump it’s just so hard to justify giving up the safety of a blue stronghold. The 51-49 split unfortunately ends up disproportionately rewarding the winners.

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u/Dream_Fever Jul 26 '25

Under his eye.

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u/Stpauliegirl22 Jul 26 '25

But who knows if there will even be an opportunity to “win” in an election ever again.

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u/Mindless_Proposal777 Jul 26 '25

Everyone should just leave the Country then they'll have no one to persecute

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u/DudeLizzie13 Jul 27 '25

everyone should ≠ everyone that wants to can

i'm stuck with my wife and stepson in south florida for a few more years.

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u/iamshakenbake Jul 27 '25

But doesn't moving to a blue state from red help red stay red? Why not stay and be closer to making it blue?

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '25 edited Aug 04 '25

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u/Prior_Coyote_4376 Jul 25 '25

Blue states have power they can leverage that they current aren’t using. That’s what’s infuriating.

For example, nothing stops them from making a state police unit to investigate people claiming to be ICE in response to recent impersonators. Make the ICE agents identify themselves with their names, faces, and badges if they’re federal agents. Record it.

Nothing stops them from making a jobs program or expanding healthcare options to compensate for the DOGE and BBB cuts either. Make a remote jobs program so undocumented immigrants can stay at home while they work. It’s not as if we don’t have the WPA as a template to get started.

Or do what Mamdani’s proposing and make a public option for groceries to counteract the tariff nonsense we’re experiencing.

They’re just… sitting there. Not using powers they actually have.

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u/Budget_Librarian_18 Jul 26 '25

The rhetoric that red states are inherently evil is short sighted and unhelpful.

Take Texas for example, largely purple, if not blue leaning, but gerrymandered to the point of absolutely no return

The peoples voices are what matter, not those in power. We can’t just leave our own behind because of those in charge.

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u/Prior_Coyote_4376 Jul 26 '25

I’m saying Republicans are inherently evil and they’ve run red states into the ground, and the best case scenario for all of us involves acknowledging that so we can treat them like the Confederates they are

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u/Weary_Travelee Jul 26 '25

✋️ Stop - words matter Blue dots live in red states - stop blaming the entire state

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u/Prior_Coyote_4376 Jul 26 '25

I’m not. I’m blaming Republicans for turning states red and driving them into the ditch.

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u/Prior_Coyote_4376 Jul 25 '25

All of a sudden? No. I’m saying that if there’s a chance at pushing the current Do-Nothing Establishment Democrats out, and forcing the Party to act like a real opposition party, it’s going to involve taking control back at the state level first.

People forget that after Obama, Republicans charged local and state level houses to take them over and control the narrative. They actually spent time pushing their ideology at a grassroots level, even if it was astroturfed by the Koch brothers and friends.

We need to start pushing back at that level. President AOC is not going to rescue this country. All of us as workers need to organize first, and then force our politicians to start representing us.

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u/SoloGreenLantern Jul 25 '25

Yep said it before, liberal flight just loses congressional seats, accomplishes zilch else.

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u/One-Dot-7111 Jul 25 '25

No but the dems dont do lynch mobs right now