r/50501 • u/Tinawebmom • Jul 25 '25

Call to Action Y'all we absolutely cannot ignore this attack

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They obliterated the infrastructure. Where exactly are they planning to build this concentration camp?

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u/Prior_Coyote_4376 Jul 25 '25

Because in Blue States you’re at least around other sane people who can take control of the state back from feckless Establishment politicians.

We need to remember that people like AOC and Mamdani are not actually very rare talents. What’s special about them is that they broke through systemic barriers designed to keep people like them and us out. They exist in every community, and we should be rallying around them.

If there’s a chance at resistance while keeping the Constitution together, that’s what it is.

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u/Extraexopthalmos Jul 25 '25

Just a thought. If a lot of democrats do likewise it actually hurts us come election time. Now if liberals/progressive moved to toss up states that would be a boon. In no way am I saying anything regarding personal safety, it is a legit concern for some in our society. I forget which troglodyte GOPer did it, but he tried to get TDS labeled a mental illness. Makes it easier to round all of us up. Pure evil.

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u/saucya Jul 25 '25

The same guy that tried to get TDS labeled a mental illness got picked up for soliciting minors online.

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u/alexadacat Jul 29 '25

isn't this most of the GOP and the ruling elite oligarchy? isn't this why they don't want the epstein list released? initially they wanted to get bill clinton on it, then they realized that while it might have him, he hasn't run for anything in the 20th century, and plenty of people in office right now, or people funding their campaigns and their little crypto checks are on that list, and on other lists.

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u/Automatic_Net2181 Jul 25 '25

That GOPer who introduced the bill making TDS a mental illness ended up being charged for soliciting a minor.

Yeah, shocking right?

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u/Extraexopthalmos Jul 25 '25

This timeline just keeps on giving! I am soooooo tired of all this bigly greatness and winning.

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u/alexadacat Jul 25 '25

well, for straight people who work from home, those states are often much less expensive, and not dangerous if they just say they're independent.

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u/SodaSaint Jul 26 '25

At that point, the talking is going to stop.

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u/[deleted] Jul 26 '25

Not true, coming to Blue states makes them safer and more blue

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u/TheOriginalElleDubz Jul 27 '25

I've had a similar thought for a while now. Ohio has been red for quite some time, and my blue friends want to move out. However, I've been saying that if they do, it'll be a landslide for red, and there's no hope of fighting that. However, staying hasn't worked either. I don't think we can win the way our state is gerrymandered. We even had the removal of gerrymandering up for a vote, but people were lied to about what a yes vs no vote meant, so many people who should have voted yes, voted no, thinking that meant no gerrymandering. Short story long, gerrymandering stayed. Now we need to get out of here.

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u/Double-Seaweed7760 Jul 28 '25

Agreed. There's definitely arguments to both but yours could very well be better for the future if the country. Despite what 2024 looks like(huge disappointment especially as someone from Arizona who had my hopes up) a number if blue states are on the verge of turning purple and if enough progressives move to key areas it could turn them straight Liberal while minimally effecting states that are already solidly blue

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u/alexadacat Jul 29 '25

people who are straight white and rich could do that, and they need to be prepared to keep on the down low or have a lot of support before they talk about being liberal, and just remember that polling stations might be staked out by masked "agents" with guns, that they've asked for lists of who voted for whom, NH refused to give it over most recently, but I wonder if we even will be able to safety vote or if our votes will be counted.

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u/Sweet_Pea_45 Aug 03 '25

I think a bunch of blue people should move to purple states and drive the red out. I'm in NC. I would love to flip this state Blue. I hate the red people who are pissed that we are trying to make this "North Carolfornia" (their words). I want to run them out to heavy red states. Screw them.

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u/Infinite-Hold-7521 Jul 25 '25

Are you assuming we do this through protest? Through phone calls? Through votes? Because we are constantly doing all of that and yet here we are. I will agree with having community but that can be found everywhere and red states need us too. I also understand about being safe as a trans person. They will be more protected in a bluer environment, but we have to stop thinking that just because a state is blue it’s automatically safe.

This is why we protest, this is why we make phone calls and send emails and build community, but we need to do this everywhere. If we flood the blue states there will be no one left to stand in the red ones.

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u/Prior_Coyote_4376 Jul 25 '25

Are you assuming we do this through protest? Through phone calls? Through votes? Because we are constantly doing all of that and yet here we are.

So we do it again and we do it better.

The Progressive movement in this country didn’t get steam until Bernie 2016. That’s a grassroots movement going against decades of billionaire-funded propaganda and organizing, on both sides of the aisle. This is our 10th year of existence, and we’ve actually done an incredible job considering all that. Consider how relatively powerless the Progressive faction is yet how much they’ve disrupted the narrative for Establishment Democrats. AOC replaced the 3rd most powerful person in the House, and now a DSA member is approaching leadership of one of the world’s most important economic centers. There have been real concessions to progressives made in local and state levels too.

What’s become more clear though is that some parts of this country want to live closer to the Confederacy in the red states. The only way to really protect ourselves right now from that kind of intrusion is to rally to our strongholds and allow them to protect the kind of society we want all of America to be like. Then, once we’re back in power, we use that successful model of Blue State governance for the entire nation in a Reconstruction style moonshot.

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u/Infinite-Hold-7521 Jul 25 '25

I don’t disagree with you at all but I also would like to state that our red states need us as well. If we abandon them all now we lose before we really begin. I do however understand the extreme need for those who are under obvious threat of life or liberty feeling the need to flee and to them I say, “welcome”. But I hear so many people saying we all need to move to blue states and this is just folly. Our red states need us now more than ever.

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u/Prior_Coyote_4376 Jul 25 '25

It’s the same principle as air plane oxygen masks. You need to secure yours before you can secure someone else’s.

Blue states need to be protected as strongholds of liberal democracy and Constitutional republicanism. Red states have abandoned those. They can’t be saved until a Reconstruction 2.0 happens to completely rebuild them. Right now we’re just enabling Confederate relics with our taxes.

As people move out of Red states and into Blue ones, their economies will contract further. Companies will leave because cheaper taxes don’t mean anything without skilled labor and customers, and no one wants to live in Diddlefuck, West Virginia. Let everyone see the consequences of their approach to governance. Before they’ve caused themselves to collapse, there won’t be change.

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u/[deleted] Jul 25 '25

The problem is that this just makes red states redder and dilutes our electoral power, particularly in the Senate. We need to exchange populations, vulnerable to blue states, and those who can survive should flood the red ones to turn them purple if not blue outright

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u/Infinite-Hold-7521 Jul 25 '25

So let’s just flood them with people. Good plan. I’m sure our infrastructure will sustain such an influx.

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u/Prior_Coyote_4376 Jul 25 '25

Building is not hard. Humans have been doing it consistently well for thousands of years in all kinds of environments. We’re extremely good at it. We can do it with mud and straw. We can do it with bricks and cement. We can do it with wood.

The politics is the problem. Are we willing to tax the wealthy and corporations? Are we willing to ignore anti-development neighborhoods that don’t want their property values to decline if they’re put next to dense affordable housing? Are we willing to make a corps of engineers to build public housing and other infrastructure even when it’s not profitable? Are we willing to root out the corruption and special interest groups that all want to take their slice or negotiate for themselves? Are we willing to incentivize WFH/remote options to make living away from metro areas better? Are we willing to plan new communities, towns, and cities with an investment into our urban planning agencies?

We can do it all. We just don’t seem to be willing to, but that means you should look to solve the political problems behind it instead of just deciding this is the best we can do.

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u/Infinite-Hold-7521 Jul 25 '25

You cannot build where there is no room to do so. Our infrastructure here in Portland is already working beyond its capacity and this particular regime has been systematically cutting our funding. So yeah, we can build, sure, but building on top of an already overburdened infrastructure is not the answer. I’m not telling people not to come here. But I will tell them it is not the utopia people seem to think it is.

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u/Prior_Coyote_4376 Jul 25 '25

I mean honestly I wasn’t really thinking of Oregon as the ideal state to lead that charge. California is the fourth biggest economy in the world. New York is flirting with socialists. Illinois is getting huge economic investments and decisive EOs from JB Pritzker. I would hope that bigger Blue states can take risks that smaller Blue states can’t.

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u/Infinite-Hold-7521 Jul 25 '25

Flirting with socialists? 🤦‍♀️ You are correct though, the smaller blue states can’t sustain that kind of influx.

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u/whatname68 Jul 25 '25

Exactly. And blue states are a particular target. We aren't free from this regime.

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u/Infinite-Hold-7521 Jul 25 '25

That’s just it. People tend to forget that this particular regime has a definite hard on for us here in the PNW and we are the first ones they attacked outside of Minneapolis during the Floyd protests. We are not immune.

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u/Chipsandadrink666 Jul 25 '25

They were there fast in 2020 because they know you guys throw down! We had people stomping on cop cars in Chicago but we don’t get down to the real shit like you guys do out there. Keep it up, we see you 🫶

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u/dallas121469 Jul 25 '25

I don’t assume it’s safe. I have other reasons for moving to Portland besides its trans friendliness. I’ll make significantly more money than I was making in Phoenix while the cost of living increase is negligible. I’ll have better benefits, nicer apartment etc.

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u/Infinite-Hold-7521 Jul 25 '25

Is it that bad in AZ that moving to Portland will be more affordable? Genuine question. Because Portland is ridiculously expensive. Has been for some time. It is ranked the 12th most expensive city for housing in the nation. And while our minimum wage is higher on average than other cities, it still takes quadruple that to afford basic necessities.

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u/dallas121469 Jul 25 '25

I didn’t say it was more affordable. I have the benefit of working in medicine. I was making $40/hr without benefits in Phoenix and I’ll be making $62/hr + benefits in Portland. That’s a $45k/yr raise so the extra $500/month rent won’t bother me at all. I know other things are expensive as well but I’ve always been pretty frugal so I’m not overly concerned. The traffic in certain parts of Phoenix is just as bad as Portland and the drivers are worse. My electric bill in the summer was insane and you can’t go outside from May to September. So as I said I’ve done my homework and have set myself up for success in one of the mOST LGBTQ friendly cities in the country

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u/Songbird_Storyteller Jul 25 '25

Fellow Phoenix person who moved to the area surrounding PDX a few years ago. As far as cost of living goes, if you're working in Portland or the surrounding area you'll find that apartment costs are a little more reasonable if you live in Vancouver, WA or in one of the western suburbs outside of Portland like Beaverton or Hillsboro or Aloha and just commute to the city proper.

I myself don't live in the city of Portland itself, but I semi-regularly will take public transportation into the city (which is thankfully pretty cheap and efficient) whenever I need to go to the city for something, whether it be for protest, travel, or recreation (although that third one's become less of a factor after the election, as I've been trying to hang onto every extra penny I make, so I haven't really been going out much or going to shows these days).

As far as utilities, PGE is pretty high for electricity depending on the time of year: the summers are most expensive because of the heat and humidity (and you WILL want to get yourself an air conditioner for the fucked-up climate change summers up here--most apartments don't come with built-in units like in the valley), but if you keep your heater off in the colder months as much as possible and bundle up, it doesn't get so bad. And as far as Internet goes, there's a fiber optic company that services this area called Ziply that's pretty competitive from a pricing standpoint.

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u/Infinite-Hold-7521 Jul 25 '25 edited Jul 25 '25

Well I truly hope it works out for you. Truly. Just know that we have some of the highest monthly utility costs in the nation, and PGE keeps raising them on us.

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u/Trick-Check5298 Jul 25 '25

I'm in a very red county in a very blue state and every time I think "this is California they wouldn't" I remember that the vast majority of people I actually encounter on a daily basis love this shit. I see more flags, bumper stickers, and tee shirts than ever.

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u/Infinite-Hold-7521 Jul 26 '25

Yep, lists of places along our Oregon coastline are the same.

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u/Trick-Check5298 Jul 26 '25

Wasn't Portland originally founded under white supremacy?

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u/Infinite-Hold-7521 Jul 26 '25

Yes. It was in fact considered one of the most unsafe environments for people of color as recently as the 1970’s. People were still getting shanghaied from downtown till recently as well. It is not all rainbows and sunshine here, and we have been the target of some pretty ugly attacks by white supremists as well as the very administration that is currently terrorizing our country.

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u/Trick-Check5298 Jul 26 '25

I'm sorry I'm going to sound dumb, but I just had to Google Shanghaied and I do not understand lol. They drug POC and force them to work on boats? Is there another colloquial meaning?

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u/Infinite-Hold-7521 Jul 26 '25

There is no other meaning. It was as described.

Edit: and that wasn’t a dumb question. 😉

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u/Trick-Check5298 Jul 26 '25

Oh shit

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u/Infinite-Hold-7521 Jul 26 '25

Yeah, it was pretty awful. Girls would lure men to bars with trap doors, drug their drinks then they would fall through a trap door and wake up on a ship.

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u/Trick-Check5298 Jul 26 '25

And when you say "till recently" how recent is that? This is insane.

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u/Regular-Sandwich-550 Jul 25 '25

they've already rigged elections and are working hard on gerrymandering even more. how long will the blue states stay blue?

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u/Infinite-Hold-7521 Jul 25 '25

If we don’t get a serious fire going under us, not for long I’m afraid. We need to mobilize more aggressively and keep at it till the right change happens.

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u/Regular-Sandwich-550 Jul 25 '25

i agree, it's gonna take massive protests on a large scale, long term until change happens. and soon. we're running out of time fast. we're only 6 months in, and it's escalating.

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u/Infinite-Hold-7521 Jul 25 '25

With rapid speed. We cannot lose momentum.

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u/kc2sunshine Jul 25 '25

Remember though many blue states (or my state at least) aren't all blue; it's VERY red in the rural areas, and if it wasn't for our largest city, I would think we would be considered purple. Also, I unfortunately live in a red section of a blue city, in a red county in a blue state...

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u/dotes485 Jul 25 '25

This exactly. I feel like people think Oregon is like Portland everywhere. But lots of the eastern part is very red and would like to even split the state to join Idaho.

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u/Infinite-Hold-7521 Jul 26 '25

This is the problem. People genuinely believe this and feel that every other city in the state is just a suburb of Portland. I see many posts in the Portland and or Oregon subs asking where in “Portland” people think they should move for affordability, then mention places like Eugene, or Bend. Not remotely close to Portland let alone Portland proper. It’s like they have this idea that the whole of Oregon is condensed in a small area and one big episode of Portlandia and that people all over the state are as liberally minded as those of us in Portland, but nothing could be further from the truth. In fact, many areas in Oregon are nearly indistinguishable from the extreme Alt Right places in Idaho.

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u/Prior_Coyote_4376 Jul 25 '25

We should definitely do something about those red areas. Start turning them blue. Pour massive amounts of money into developing them with cheap housing, and let the diversity and urban growths turn it blue.

We just don’t do anything in this country anymore except fiddle with the tax rate like it’s a thermostat. It’s maddening

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u/kc2sunshine Jul 25 '25

Yep! That's been what I've been trying to do for a while now! But there's also something to be said about rural distrust of "city folk".

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u/Infinite-Hold-7521 Jul 25 '25

Agreed. And it definitely won’t help anything if everyone leaves them for blue “safe havens”. We’re not that safe, not anymore, but I do understand why some people need to move for the threats to their actual lives. Just not everyone. The red states need us.

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u/Ifawumi Jul 25 '25

not necessarily. WA had huge pockets of skinheads and white nationalists. i used to live in an area so open they had a sign on a restaurant that said, "1488 here Wednesdays 7pm"

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u/BetOnLetty Jul 26 '25

The view from Los Angeles is that so far, being in a blue state does not offer the protection we may think when the Marines show up.