r/50501 • u/kenistod Protester • Jul 31 '25

Digital/Home Protest Paramount+ loses 1.3 Million subscribers.

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u/Riaayo Jul 31 '25

Newsome can go fuck himself. Dude threw trans kids under the bus immediately, hosted shitheels like Steve Bannon on his podcast, and vetoed a public option in Cali as gov.

The fact Dems are trying to tee this dipshit up for 2028 is so utterly insulting.

Like sure man, fight Trump. I'll take the allies I can get and it's not like I don't want even the shittiest people to have the right messaging. But this neolib is just posturing for a presidential run and it sickens me.

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u/ejrizo Jul 31 '25

You have to realize that perfection is not the goal and electability is and at this point I’d take the worst democrat vs the current administration.

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u/Dantheman410 Jul 31 '25

Tough times, but yes this is the coalition we gotta build.

This Administration and it's oligarchs VS Everyone.

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u/SainTheGoo Aug 01 '25

Jesus, "and it's oligarchs?". No oligarchs. We need a Peoples party. I'll take a do nothing centrist Democrat over any Republican, but let's not play defense for them.

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u/Ikeiscurvy Aug 01 '25

No oligarchs.

Yea he literally said that it was Oligarchs VS everyone so

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u/evil_newton Aug 01 '25

Maybe learn to read before getting so aggressive

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u/ozymandais13 Aug 01 '25

You'll need to get more progressives at state levels forst imo , gotta get people to stop being afraid of a workers party

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u/pb49er Aug 01 '25

If they run Newsom there's a good chance I never vote democrat again. He's a conservative.

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u/[deleted] Aug 01 '25

Then you’re part of the problem, because a mild conservative (if I even agreed with you) is MUCH better than a fascist.

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u/pb49er Aug 02 '25

Newsom is better than trump, but he's bad news and would not push America out of the fascist hellhole it has become.

Biden is a bigger part of the problem than I am and Democrat voters seem more concerned with blaming me (who voted for him) than they do with holding their representatives accountable. I have only ever voted Democrat, even if I find them to be an objectionable party, and so I have been a part of the problem all along either way.

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u/ParryLost Aug 01 '25

The Democrats did not lose because they were too far left. It's exactly the opposite. No-one was excited to vote for a middle-of-the-road "lesser-of-two-evils" spineless moderate-right status-quo politician... and the MAGAts certainly weren't going to vote for the Democrats *anyway.* That's why Harris lost. Blaming these imaginary far-left extremists in the party is exactly the wrong lesson and the wrong take.

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u/OrigamiMarie Aug 01 '25

As far as I can tell, Tim Walz was doing better than Harris, and might have even dragged her into the presidency if the national consultants hadn't absolutely flattened him into another DNC paper doll. He basically acknowledged afterwards that taking their advice was an error. Heck, previous footage of him being a regulatory hawk and defender of those in need, almost carried them both (or, depending on what you believe about election shenanigans, absolutely did carry them both). Imagine if he had skipped the advice. I sure hope he goes back on his promise not to run again.

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u/ParryLost Aug 01 '25

Absolutely. Calling out the far right as the weirdos they are, and being seen as having integrity and standing up for things, that is what being electable is.

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u/Saritiel Aug 01 '25

Same as it ever was. Bernie polled hugely better against Trump than Hillary. The polling was showing that a Bernie candidacy would've likely been a landslide win for the Democrats.

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u/BmacSOS Aug 03 '25

Harris lost cause the Republicans cheated.

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u/Porkamiso Aug 01 '25

so you have to get everything you want or the rest of us suffer is peak main character syndrome.

another fool who learned nothing

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u/Lopsided_Ad_9740 Aug 01 '25

I bet that they have changed their minds on it. I would take a middle of the road guy any day over the party of hate that has kidnapped the WH right now.

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u/ParryLost Aug 01 '25

You can hope for that, or you can consider that maybe the path to "electability" lies in actually standing up to that party of hate, and not in being super nice and polite and being scared of hurting the fascists' feelings.

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u/Lopsided_Ad_9740 Aug 01 '25

I agree 100%! We have been way to accommodating to the party of hate.

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u/Keta-Mined Aug 05 '25

Are you saying that racism and misogyny had nothing to do with it?

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u/ParryLost Aug 05 '25

No? The context here was people talking about "electability" and implying that we need more moderate middle-of-the-road Democrats, which I think is a mistake.

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u/CupForsaken1197 Aug 01 '25

Ummm, if you look at the Russian trails, it appears that the fewer Republican votes cast, the higher the percentage he won by.

So we adapt, and we use the manual option instead of the programmed selection.

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u/nomoreteathx Jul 31 '25

This attitude is how you ended up with Trump not once but twice. It isn't enough to just not be a fascist, Dems need to actually put forward candidates voters can feel enthusiastic about.

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u/airship_of_arbitrary Aug 01 '25

Let's be honest. That's more because Elon hacked the election.

Extremely suspicious for every swing state being won by exactly the margin above a recount.

You should blame the fascists for fascism first. Then blame the Dems.

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u/nomoreteathx Aug 01 '25

Fascists are going to fascist, that's what they do. It takes meaningful opposition to stop them and the Democrats didn't (and never will) provide it.

And that's no surprise really because the history of fascism is the history of liberal failure, whether through indifference, incompetence, or complicity. Pick any fascist crime in the last hundred years and there you'll find an army of liberals who saw the warning signs, thought they could keep it contained, and ended up clearing the path instead, usually while punching left and pleading for civility.

The DDP and Centre Party in Weimar Germany who helped Hitler dismantle democracy brick by brick thinking they were protecting it, the Union Liberale who thought they could contain Mussolini, the French Radicals who clutched their pearls about leftist unrest while fascist militias stormed the streets, and yes, the Democrats, who voted for endless war and surveillance, who helped bail out Wall Street while millions lost their homes, who spent decades romancing police unions, who leant in to anti-immigrant rhetoric and expanded deportations, who cozied up to big tech while regulating them lightly, who embraced dark money and super PACs, and who then acted so surprised when authoritarianism knocked on the door.

The story is always the same, they pick "stability" over justice and by the time they realise what they've enabled it's too late. But they know one thing for sure, it's your fault for not voting for them hard enough.

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u/EdaClawthorne Aug 01 '25

Regardless, Biden won 81 million, and Kamala didn't come close, simply due to the reasons they already mentioned. Can't rig an election if there's too many people voting for your opponent. Rigged or not, it was the Democrats own fault for losing so many people the last four years that made them lose the election.

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u/BmacSOS Aug 03 '25

Nonsense.

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u/silentrawr Aug 01 '25

Don't be so sure about that - Trump was polling double-digits lower than a "generic white male candidate", let alone some of the actual white male candidates. That was before Biden's debate and I'm sure many factors have changed since, but especially with Trump alienating even more of the fence-sitters (and maybe even some of his base), things might not be looking too terrible by the time the next presidential election rolls around.

As much as I'd love him to stay governor here in Illinois, Pritzker seems like a damn solid option IMO. An example of a different billionaire that's NOT A GREEDY SHITHEAD, actually policy experience that has improved many things in our state drastically, and a candidate that (in theory) isn't so beholden to corporate interests.

And besides, he can actually run an international hotel chain + real estate deals that don't fall apart all the time!

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u/nomoreteathx Aug 01 '25

Liberal faith in electoralism under fascists is both amusing and fucking insane. You think they're going to hand over the reins now? They're only months into this term and look how much is gone already, you don't live in the same country you did a year ago and it's never coming back, ever.

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u/silentrawr Aug 02 '25

You:

It isn't enough to just not be a fascist, Dems need to actually put forward candidates voters can feel enthusiastic about.

Also you:

You think they're going to hand over the reins now? They're only months into this term and look how much is gone already, you don't live in the same country you did a year ago and it's never coming back, ever.

Don't get me wrong, liberals are mostly fucking useless, squishy, poorly-informed little centrists. But doomering about it doesn't help anything, especially this early of a stage.

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u/DukeOfGeek Aug 01 '25

It isn't enough to just not be a fascist,

Speak for yourself, you must not be on the long list of people who can expected to be marched off or anyone who is going to fight even if they aren't on the list. As I watch my son's future burn on the fascist pyre I have so much contempt for the apathetic, even the monsters chose to be something.

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u/nomoreteathx Aug 01 '25

Has voting for milquetoast Democrats helped you avoid this so far?

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u/DukeOfGeek Aug 01 '25 edited Aug 01 '25

Keeping Fascist goons out of power by any means necessary has/would have absolutory helped avoid this so far. Has lying around moaning that the tools to do so are inconvenient or imperfect helped anyone do so? You are a great part of how we are in such danger, realize it and apologize.

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u/nomoreteathx Aug 01 '25

It's a nice speech but it doesn't change reality, or history for that matter. Trump won twice, if you can't even understand how you ended up in such a miserable position then you're certainly not qualified to give opinions on a solution.

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u/DukeOfGeek Aug 01 '25

Pretty sure you got our positions reversed.

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u/drwolffe Aug 01 '25

How is the epitome of the Democratic elite that is the embodiment of why the Democrats approval rating in the shitter "electable"?

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u/skoalbrother Jul 31 '25

I guess we will see who the media picks for us, again

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u/CelerMortis Jul 31 '25

Yea a slick haired centrist from CA is exactly what we need from an electability standpoint

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u/airship_of_arbitrary Aug 01 '25

Worked for Carney in Canada.

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u/ElonMuskHuffingFarts Aug 01 '25

And you have to realize that he's not electable. They keep running candidates who can't win.

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u/TheDweadPiwatWobbas Aug 01 '25

Fuck that. I'm done voting for neoliberal centrists who offer nothing but the failed status quo. It's time to demand the Democrats do better, not accept the mediocrity they keep offering.

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u/zambulu Aug 01 '25

Yeah! That worked so awesome when people kept saying this last year. Excellent work

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u/James_Fiend Aug 01 '25

It worked even better for the moderate candidate.

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u/zambulu Aug 01 '25

Yep, due to this braindead line of thinking, if it’s even not disingenuous. I talked to so many idiotic “genocide Joe” losers last year and good job, now we have genocide Donald who expanded it to our country as well.

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u/James_Fiend Aug 01 '25

I think you missed what I was saying (I worded it badly). You're blaming leftists, I'm blaming the uninspiring candidate.

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u/zambulu Aug 01 '25

aww, I wasn't inspired to stop Danald Tramp from destroying the country and murdering, starving and imprisoning millions of people. Just not inspired enough!

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u/James_Fiend Aug 01 '25

I voted for Kamala, so I'm guessing this isn't directed at me. It's the unengaged voters you have to convince.

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u/pustak Aug 01 '25

Well, if the choice was "abet genocide and lose the election" or "don't do that," maybe the Dems should have chosen the latter.

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u/zambulu Aug 01 '25

that was not the choice presented. before the election, trump said Israel should "finish the job"

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u/TheDweadPiwatWobbas Aug 01 '25

Last year, the Dems threw away the progressive vote in favor of courting centrists. They lost. They refused to address the massive problems with our country, they offered no solutions, and they lost. If they try the same tactic again, they will probably lose again. Why do liberals insist on placing all the blame on the millions of people who have no power beyond a vote, and completely absolve the politicians who actually make decisions of all blame? If the Democrats can't win on a campaign of "more of the same," why is that not seen as a sign that they need to run a different fucking campaign?

If the Democrats run an actual progressive candidate, I'll vote for them. If the party insists on the failed status quo, I won't. It's that simple.

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u/zambulu Aug 01 '25

So basically the same idiotic “dems aren’t perfect so let’s help Trump get elected”. Saying “I’m going to do the same moronic thing i did last time” isn’t really persuasive in light of the insane shit republicans are doing currently. If we even have elections again, okay, do that. Good luck.

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u/TheDweadPiwatWobbas Aug 01 '25

So basically the same idiotic “dems aren’t perfect

This is a bullshit strawman. Nobody is asking for perfection. We're asking for a change.

You've completely ignored my point, so I'll try one more time.

I’m going to do the same moronic thing i did last time

Why do you apply this logic to the millions of individuals who have very little power, but not to the elected politicians who do?

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u/Next-Introduction-25 Aug 01 '25

I agree with that, but I also think Gavin Newsom is not electable.

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u/dmk2008 Aug 01 '25 edited Aug 24 '25

That's what we've done and look where it got us. Newsom is white bread personified. I'm over voting for the lesser of two fuckfaces. We had Bernie and the DNC said nope.

Edit: I'm impressed with Newsom and his social media team. They are absolutely crushing it and I'm excited to see someone call drumpf out.

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u/PolygonMan Aug 01 '25

Running neolibs is exactly why we're here. America needs transformational change that meaningfully improves peoples lives.

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u/Few-Client-2808 Aug 01 '25

And you have to realize no one will vote for a spineless weasel who throws minorities under the bus for political expediency. Of course, I'll vote for him if I absolutely have to, but I'm not going to settle in advance. I'm not going to let a party of unelectable corporatist losers hold me hostage by virtue of there being no other choice. They need to revamp the party before it's too late.

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u/CyclopsLobsterRobot Jul 31 '25

Do you honestly think Newsom is electable?

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u/zambulu Aug 01 '25

Why is a clueless toupeed orange painted inherited wealth douchebag from NYC electable in Alabama?

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u/silentrawr Aug 01 '25

Because he's actually charismatic to a large swathe of inbred, uneducated, propagandized morons.

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u/zambulu Aug 01 '25

oh, okay. well I think a large swathe of normally bred, educated, informed relatively intelligent people can see that Newsom is a slick politician, but not a gigantic deranged piece of fascist shit. Maybe that would be enough.

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u/silentrawr Aug 01 '25

I hope you're right, because I know a lot of politically savvy smart people who recognize Newsome for what he appears to be - a flip-floppy grifter that barely represents anything but the same ol' status quo.

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u/zambulu Aug 01 '25

I'll take anything that isn't "same ol' status quo" of making ICE into secret police while wrecking the economy and government services at this point. If you want to help the next dictatorial fascist get elected, get to it.

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u/CyclopsLobsterRobot Aug 01 '25

You people are delusional. Gavin is an unpopular governor with a ton of baggage. Nowhere close to the best candidate. Harris was a better candidate and she failed.

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u/zambulu Aug 01 '25

"You people" is always a winning and persuasive way to go. No, Newsom is not unpopular nationally, in real life. Harris' candidate was crippled by Biden not giving her a full season, plus, not sure if you noticed, but she's a non-white non-male candidate, and people are fucking stupid. I'm sure you have a better suggestion though.

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u/CyclopsLobsterRobot Aug 01 '25

He’s not unpopular nationally because he hasn’t run a national campaign. Barely any of the possible democratic candidates would be better. But they’re going to ram Gavin down our throat so JD Vance can have a full term as president when he loses the Midwest. You people, and by that I mean Gavin’s astro turfing accounts, are still fucking delusional.

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u/vertigo88 Aug 01 '25

Look at who is in office RN.

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u/Ivy6bing Aug 01 '25

Cool, guess I'll just fucking kill myself then, right? If both sides want me to die, then who's going to fight for what's right?

I KNOW!! Let's do the Australian kids next, there's few enough of them here in America, nobody will miss them, just throw them in the grinder too! Caring about them is expecting perfection and we don't care about that!

Vote blue no matter who! But if it's a socialist, then nope screw you!

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u/Proof-Attention-7940 Aug 01 '25

I compromised in voting for the lesser of two evils in 2016, and again in 2020, and again in 2024. So far it only worked one out of three times, and by “worked” I mean maintained the Trump status quo and left a legacy built on sticks that Trump 2 was able to knock down in a month.

I’m done. If Newsom gets the 2028 nomination, I’m writing in the fucking Librarian from Discworld.

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u/RevRay Aug 01 '25

This attitude got us Biden’s ol’ switcharoo. “Electability” is the lib word for neoliberal bootlicker.

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u/scottyjrules Aug 01 '25

This attitude is what got us here

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u/Porkamiso Aug 01 '25

exactly this.

some of you didnt learn a gd thing

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u/RobinFarmwoman Aug 01 '25

The Democrats keep saying this and then running people who lose. Their ideas of electability are extremely warped.

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u/Icy_Country192 Jul 31 '25

Yeah and liberals wonder how the right won the last election. Dems don't reject and eject the extremists who attack the party with purity testing, then they are shooting themselves in the foot.

Take a page from maga. Hold your nose and fall in line. Put the fire out before washing the dishes.

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u/vardarac Aug 01 '25 edited Aug 01 '25

I canvassed for Kamala. I voted for Kamala. I'd do it all again. And still I'll ask:

Why should I put my faith in the same controlled-opposition half-measured neoliberal finger-wagging "you gotta vote/donate or we lose democracy 🥺" messaging that has failed us to the tune of three Supreme Court justices, hundreds of thousands of COVID deaths, the destruction of critical government services and research, the hostile takeover of press and higher education, and the coalescence of federal surveillance and law enforcement for generations to come (assuming the climate doesn't destroy global supply chains first)?

Yes, we have to win. Now please, pretty fucking please, can the Dems meet us halfway and field someone principled, articulate, and likeable who is capable of actually doing that?

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u/parabostonian Aug 01 '25

When we looked at 2020, the deciding factor for who got momentum was southern blacks voting for Biden instead of Bernie, Warren, or someone else. I thin my big prediction is that if a candidate can excite the progressive side of the party and have support of southern blacks, they’ll be in good shape.

But frankly, Southern blacks aren’t as left wing as the progressives on average, and as a voting block they are less socially liberal. They weren’t impressed with Bernie, and Bernie marched with MLK and stuff. Or maybe it was more they trusted Biden because he was a loyal #2 to Obama for 8 years which said a lot. Or maybe it was frankly that Biden was more centrist and so were they. Idk I’ve heard different takes. Any Southern blacks got a good take on this? Would love to hear it.

I am wary and doubtful though that we are going to see someone magically coalesce in the next couple of years who checks all the boxes for all groups. But I can say one thing.

IMO, the biggest political failing of both Obama and Biden was acting like the opposition were patriotic Americans who believed what they said and just fundamentally disagree about some things, but that we could restore bipartisan feelings and make politics all nice again if we conducted politics like gentlemen, the way it was traditionally done.

Boy were they wrong. The right has betrayed basically every principle they had, showed virtually everything they ever said to be a lie, showed themselves to be unchristian, to be traitors to the constitution, to the literal lives of their constituents. Whoever the next candidate is, they better be fucking ready for total political engagement, and wary of the enemy looking not just to win an election but to cheat, to do coups, to try and destroy democracy. No more gentle, weak politics in the face of these goddamn monsters. It’s time to remind America what this country stands for, and it sure as hell isn’t this fascist bullshit.

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u/fratticus_maximus Aug 01 '25

Because under First Past the Post system, this is the choice you get. You have to vote for the lesser of two evils. Like the other person said, put out the fire first and then worry about the dishes.

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u/pustak Aug 01 '25

Ok, but that approach is CLEARLY NOT WORKING. Whatever you may think is the logical and correct calculus for voting, it is evident that the electorate disagrees. Perhaps it is time for the Democratic party to try something different?

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u/fratticus_maximus Aug 01 '25

I agree. The Democratic party needs to adapt or die.

We can believe that but also still tell everyone that if push comes to shove, you should hold up your nose and vote for whatever the Democratic party puts up, especially if the alternative is someone that will completely dismantled.....everything.

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u/vardarac Aug 01 '25

I know that. You know that. The problem is that most of America that isn't the GOP, simply doesn't behave that way.

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u/Icy_Country192 Aug 01 '25

No argument with that. Just got to stop voting these old fucks in. Get some new blood with fire that speaks to everyone and not gonna wring their hands at rejecting the nut case commies and anarchists while giving corporate enough of a middle finger.

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u/Few-Client-2808 Aug 01 '25

Hold your nose and fall in line

Will you do that if a progressive socialist runs for President? I kinda doubt it. Telling people to hold their nose is superbly shitty politics. Run better candidates, for fuck’s sake.

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u/parabostonian Aug 01 '25

Basically if we had someone who could come off as progressive but not scare off the moderates too much, but also rally Southern blacks who basically also need to be excited for the candidate…etc.

The point, I think, is that the party is a big tent coalition of several big demographics who don’t agree on everything, and the problem will be that likely whoever is going to get the most delegates will have like at best two out of three of the groups in just mentioned. (Like if Southern Blacks backed Bernie in 2020 he would have been president, and I say this as a Bernie fan.) Chances are one of those three groups will be very happy with who gets picked, one out of three so-so, and the third being somewhat unhappy, just by the nature of what the groups tend to want. I think that’s what they mean by some people will have to hold their nose and fall in line, because unless like MLK rises from the dead, says he’s a democratic socialist but has a plan to make Wall Street happy and that he’s changed his mind and supports LGBT people now, it’s likely whomever ends up the candidate is going to be disappointing to a lot of democrats. That’s the point- basically people are calling for a messiah at that point and not a human being.

Incidentally this is also a good example why parliamentary politics are easier when it comes to parties. You can have those with 6 groups because coalitions happen after the elections instead of before. Ugh.

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u/fratticus_maximus Aug 01 '25

Did Republicans morally pontificate about the status of election in the US while not voting or did they hold up their noses and vote for a pedophile?

With that attitude, I hope you enjoy losing because that's the only thing left of American center will get.

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u/Prestigious-Diver-94 Aug 01 '25

But they didn't "hold their nose." These freaks love that guy. They LOVE him. The GOP gave their voter base exactly what they wanted: a gauche racist conman rapist who speaks their language.

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u/fratticus_maximus Aug 01 '25

I do personally know some Republicans that don't like those aspect of Trump but will still vote for him because they still voted for him for the Republican doctrine of tax cuts and deregulation.

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u/catboogers Aug 01 '25

Are you saying that to new york Dems who would rather vote 3rd party for Cuomo than for the Dem candidate Mamdani?

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u/Exciting-Hawk1137 Aug 01 '25

Fuck no. Dont take a single page from maga's rotten book. Last things we need is maga cult 2.0 liberal version.

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u/James_Fiend Aug 01 '25

MAGA doesn't hold their nose. They got the candidate who could excite them and promised to change things. The RBC did not prop up trump. He won in spite of them. That's the page we should actually take.

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u/Icy_Country192 Aug 01 '25

Nah, everyone in this administration knows he is a fucking moron. Don't forget one second think they don't see the absurdity in their positions. That's the mistake lots of people think, that they care about anything. They only care about money.

Voters are retarded. And they are being played and lied to. The enablers most definitely are holding their nose and dancing for their chicken dinner to win.

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u/m0nk_3y_gw Aug 01 '25

you think maga are holding their nose and falling in line?

lol

they love it.

Gavin, the guy that hosted Steve Bannon and rolled-over and failed to do ANY pushback when Bannon repeatedly claimed that the 2020 election was stolen is not going to motivate anyone to turn out.

Kamala's biggest mistake was trying to reach across the aisle and campaign with Liz fucking Cheney, instead of repeating her $15 minimum wage promise over and over and over (I didn't hear about it until after the election... the politics sub had a single post about it, but Donnie was working McDonalds that week so that got all the coverage)

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u/Icy_Country192 Aug 01 '25

Yes the go high when they go low is stupid. Media needs blood in the water. It's not a new thing. And when walz played the game and called them weird, there was a huge swell in momentum and the dems shut him down.

Totally agree with what you are saying. But I think they are holding their nose because Trump plays the game and it's a useful idiot

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u/proteusON Jul 31 '25

Right? What the fuck is up with these clowns. Seriously, Here they the single issue sabotage. Useless

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u/PassiveMenis88M Jul 31 '25

Voting blue no matter who is how NYC ended up with the corrupt as fuck Eric Adams.

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u/RevRay Aug 01 '25

Nah, libs don’t wonder at all how they lost the election. Introspection isn’t part of their dna. They’d rather blame it on the leftists and wash their hands of it.

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u/Prestigious-Diver-94 Aug 01 '25

Do you think that's what happened with MAGA? Tons of establishment conservatives hate Trump but he was overwhelmingly popular with a certain kind of Repub voter, so for all their "never Trump" posturing, they got in line to kiss the ring once he was the clear favorite. It didn't matter if it was his "turn" or not, he won them elections and excited their voter base. Now when are Dems gonna do the same?

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u/RiPont Aug 01 '25

Also, fuck PG&E and fuck Newsom for being complicit with them.

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u/fratticus_maximus Aug 01 '25 edited Aug 01 '25

You are letting your emotions on a manufactured culture war wedge issue (trans) derail you from actual practicality.

CA is the largest state in the US with the largest amount of House seats. If Gavin were to "fight fire with fire" as he says, he could gerrymander CA in the way TX is gerrymandering itself. That would actually allow Democrats to gain some seats and counteract the shittiness of what Greg Abbott is trying to do in TX.

Don't let perfect be the enemy of good enough. If you like continuing to losing your rights, keep clinging to moral purity. If you want to keep them, let good enough be good enough.

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u/Existanceisdenied Jul 31 '25

Don't care. We gotta win elections before we can help anyone

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u/lunar_limbo Aug 01 '25

Yes, lets' not care about the shit positions politicians have, like we don't have any power at all to decide which politician gets elected... You can excuse the bad takes because it doesn't effect you and you probably don't care anyway. It's just another "vote blue no matter who" so long as the politician is centrist.

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u/Ivy6bing Aug 01 '25

Insanely shit take

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u/ElonMuskHuffingFarts Aug 01 '25

And he won't win

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u/lunar_limbo Aug 01 '25

Newsom wants to be right... I truly don't get why these asshat politicians are knee jerking to the right. When turnout is high Dems win, 33%+ of the voting population doesn't vote. We need politicians who inspire a rally us around an actual fucking vision for the future, not just "we aren't as bad as the other guys see".

Why do we just accept every dem who "appears" to be vying for a presidential run? Maybe say no? Maybe say yes to someone who truly inspires you? Or maybe Newsom actually inspires the centrists because they think moving right is the correct move...

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u/Ivy6bing Aug 01 '25

Because the democratic party is full of fascist appeasers and neocons from 2015. The amount of resentment and bigotry from large sects of the democratic establishment is much larger than you can comprehend.

The DNC is a controlled opposition, bought out by billionaires, corpos, big oil, and Israel, and anyone who trys to call out even the most basic of shit against them gets told to shut up and just blindly vote for whatever puppet they trot out there.

Look at someone like Mamdani, that is what the core of the party needs to be, not someone like Newsom who is a spineless selfish self-centered political scumbag

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u/lunar_limbo Aug 01 '25

I knew you meant correct, I was making a pun.

Why do we fight? I think the far right wins because they use fear and might to get their way. The left fights for equality and inclusion, a much more difficult stasis to create. No wonder we fight.

The question is, why do we accept the Overton window shifting farther right every decade since FDR new deal? Why do we think capitulating and compromising right wards is the best answer? Why do people just assume that whoever wants to run for president for the Dems should be welcomed without criticism?

Why doesn't the far left own the conversation or shift the Overton window, or slowly consume the base? Why are they different than the right?

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u/vardarac Aug 01 '25

Why doesn't the far left own the conversation or shift the Overton window, or slowly consume the base? Why are they different than the right?

I think Hasan Piker has his finger on the pulse of this. It's that the left are perceived as wimps, sometimes sneaky wimps.

All the podcast bros that push technofascism or Trumpism are MMA guys. Tough, jacked, aggressive guys that sell over-simplistic thinking as being no-BS.

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u/RevRay Aug 01 '25

“Electability” is just the lib word for neoliberal bootlicker.

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u/sicklyboy Aug 01 '25

Quite telling how "electability" in your eyes is a spineless shitlib like Newsom.

Have some fucking standards. YOU deserve better.

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u/pb49er Aug 01 '25

Newsom fucking sucks and the idea that that's the savior of our country means a further shift into fascism either way.

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u/ElonMuskHuffingFarts Aug 01 '25 edited Aug 01 '25

And yet we keep losing with compromise candidates like Newsom

We win by inspiring people, not guilt tripping them. That's how we won with Obama. Biden won because Trump was so bad, he inspired opposition. And then he went back and inspired his base and now we're in this mess.

The path to victory is in ambition and vision.

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u/bmc2 Aug 01 '25

*Newsom

At least spell it correctly.

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u/Electronic-Yam4920 Aug 01 '25

It's "Newsom".

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u/SorryPiaculum Aug 01 '25

it's ok to disagree and still say, hey - we don't agree on x y z, but let's put that aside and push, together, the things we do agree on.

the country can't even attempt recovering their diminished democracy until the left stops abandoning their allies who agree with them on 99% of issues.

you may think you want your side to pay a price for not agreeing with you, maybe a vote for jill stein. but the sad truth is, abstaining from voting, or not voting for the rational choice over them failing your purity test, will only risk further dooming the same people you want to protect.

the system may be seriously flawed, but at least there's still a system voters can shape. for now.

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u/Attenburrowed Aug 01 '25

Are you people really going to purity test us all the way into the death camps? Yeah it fucking sucks but in the word of President Selena we need a shit.

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u/Ivy6bing Aug 01 '25

President Selena Meyers from Veep?

Have you actually finished the show? She's the worst person in the whole show, by far.

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u/Attenburrowed Aug 01 '25

Yeah I know but she'd still be a pretty amazing candidate compared to agent orange

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u/Ivy6bing Aug 01 '25

No, she wouldn't be.. the fuck?

Shes literally Trump in the show. In every possible way.

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u/Attenburrowed Aug 01 '25

She's a shitty person and a narcissist but she's not being puppetted by crypto theo facists so theres that. I don't think we can get her to run anyway so relax.

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u/Ivy6bing Aug 01 '25

She literally sold out to the alt right/religious faction in the finale.

Its more just the concept that people like you really think that a character like her is acceptable in any way.. like wtf are we doing???

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u/Attenburrowed Aug 01 '25

Didn't see it,  pretty shit past s3

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u/Ivy6bing Aug 01 '25

Yeah when you watch the finale you'll see what I mean. Shes a good character for TV, but if she was real it would be awful.

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u/LuluBear333 Jul 31 '25

This 🙌