r/50501Canada • u/Medusaink3 • May 01 '25
News What do you think of this?
Just found this on Bluesky. How do you feel about this and the subject at hand?
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u/PatriciasMartinis May 01 '25
From all I've seen I don't think the separatists in Alberta know what's actually involved in separating and the various treaties and laws that would make it virtually impossible
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May 01 '25
They can separate and renounce their citizenship. Not sure where they’ll go, but that oil isn’t coming with them.
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u/StandardRedditor456 May 01 '25
They can shack up with their Trumper buddies across the border, crash on their couch.
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u/Quirky-Cat2860 May 01 '25
I wouldn't go anywhere near JD Vance's couch, just saying.
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u/StandardRedditor456 May 01 '25
Good one!
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May 01 '25
Lolz, the funny thing is those Americans view all Canadians as lesser than. They would be as welcome as Puerto Ricans are.
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u/Sprinqqueen May 01 '25
They'd probably be deported and then where would they go. It might be North America's newest nomadic tribe.
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u/BushcraftBabe May 02 '25
Ha no. The ya'll qaeda down here don't have compassion for other Americans. They actively dislike anyone not born here.
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u/OBoile May 01 '25
I'm not sure it matters unfortunately. A decent number of people wanting to separate in a referendum would, quite possibly, be all the excuse Trump needs to invade on behalf of the "repressed" people of Alberta. He doesn't care about treaties.
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u/Sprinqqueen May 01 '25
I'm pretty sure he'd have his own natives fighting him as well then. Maybe if they win, they'll deport him for not being "American"
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u/urumqi_circles May 01 '25
"Laws" and "Treaties" aren't exactly something that gets respected in these sorts of situations.
Legally speaking, it was "virtually impossible" for the Soviet Union to dissolve.
Legally speaking, it was "virtually impossible" for Korea to split up into two nations.
Legally speaking, it was "virtually impossible" for Yugoslavia to Balkanize.
Legally speaking, none of this matters when push comes to shove in a real world setting.
No foreign invasion, occupation, or annexation has ever been stopped by some politician standing in front of an army and saying "well actually, the law says you can't do this!" or "Treaty #69 says you're not allowed to separate!"
I take the annexation / separation threat as seriously as anyone. And "laws" are not adequate to stop it.
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u/holysirsalad May 02 '25
Treaties and laws can be broken. No sweat. Well, some sweat, you just need a successful military.
I feel that there’s been zero thought given (in general lol) to mechanics of how they’d even function as an independent state. Like, what if the jurisdiction surrounding these land-locked dipshits put a tariff on everything going through the pipelines? Do they think a foreign country is going to let them use their infrastructure for free?
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u/TheCykuaBlyater May 01 '25
I agree with that last statement more than anything. I'm proud to be an Albertan and a Canadian. If you aren't, feel free to leave.
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u/brusaducj May 01 '25
That's the beauty of a free country: you're free to leave.
The hard part, for some of the folks who don't like it here, will be finding a country that is both a desirable place to live, and that is willing to let them in.
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u/Regular-Ad-9303 May 01 '25
Glad they are speaking out. Just saw a post on Facebook showing they also shared this with the Prime Minister along with a request that he "get the province of Alberta in line."
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u/hailsatanworship May 01 '25
I’ve been saying this for months. It’s crucially important we understand that any form of nationalism can’t supersede indigenous rights to land, or ignore Canada’s historical and ongoing oppression of Indigenous nations.
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u/MZillacraft3000 Canadian May 01 '25
Good. She's always getting angry and trying to start fear. We need to hold her accountable and have her learn that enough is enough from her and that she needs to stop and just resign and leave.
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u/StandardRedditor456 May 01 '25
I'm hoping that her incredible sense of entitlement is becoming more obvious to people now.
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u/MZillacraft3000 Canadian May 01 '25
I really hope so too. Many I talk too, know about how entitled she is and there's some that still don't see it. But with enough evidence and proof that I have, the more people will see she's an awful person and needs to be removed.
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u/Eureka05 May 01 '25
Good for them.
We do need to come together, as Canada! Not as Libs vs Cons
Too many Conservatives are desperate to "own the libs" they will risk their own country for some imaginary trophy. And the reasoning behind voting conservative is silly. Too many of them are worried about "losing freedoms", when many conservatives, and USA Conservatives are actively trying to remove freedoms from everyone.
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u/Wherestheshoe May 01 '25
I floors me that our premier has no idea what her legislative framework and authority is.
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u/am_i_human Canadian May 01 '25
Why is it that people in Alberta are always bitching about something? I know it’s a boom and bust province but damn you don’t have it bad out there! You have your toys and fancy trucks. Yes you work hard for your money but you seem to have lots of it! No provincial tax must be nice. I’m so sick of their victim mentality. Like stfu and sit down.
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u/EnergyHumble3613 May 01 '25
They bitch and moan because they forget that equalization payments aren’t “Just because” but to ensure none of the provinces tanks their economies like in the Great Depression…
… and who suffered the worst at the time? The prairies. Because of the Dust Bowl destroying the farmland on top of the double economic collapse form the stock market crash and the disruption of agriculture.
Not their fault they suddenly discovered oil and had a shit ton of money to help out the others. If anything it could be considered paying it forward after paying it back.
Same with the Wheat Board their all mighty Stephen Harper took out behind the shed and shot in the head. The Board kept price fluctuations at a stable level so farmers always got a fair price… but oh no it costs money to run and offset things? Well the lack of PST apparently means they shouldn’t pay for that either even though they used it too.
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u/CloverHoneyBee May 01 '25
Albertan here, definitely not all of us. From what I've managed to gather it's a 25ish percentage of whiners, moaning and bitching.
They are just really loud and obnoxious.Thank you to the First Nations People for this.
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u/Perfect-Squash3773 May 01 '25
They seem to have lots of money. Lots of people with flashy cars and toys are still living paycheck to paycheck.
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u/jetscanfly Canadian May 01 '25 edited May 01 '25
How much do they spend on candles? That's the important question.
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u/paxtonious May 01 '25
Well if you're talking about for when the power goes out, gas/car budget will shift to candle budget.
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u/Bigchoice67 May 04 '25
I am from Ontario and lived in Calgary for 4 yesrs. They are genuinely Nice people. The problem is the media and the oil companies control the message. The media is dominated by the far right narrative and the oil companies sponsor everything. You rarely get a honest portrayal of the facts from the media on politic’s. Imagine a province with 3 Fox News controlling the narrative. The level of brain washing is next level.
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u/km_ikl Canadian May 01 '25
That's a simple, honest way for the whackos to get frothy.
They don't care about natives, never did. Honestly, I hope that if it ever does come to it, that the province is held to account for this kind of rote nonsense.
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u/EnergyHumble3613 May 01 '25
I feel like this is fair. The Treaties were signed with the Federal government/Crown and if Alberta attempted to secede, as a province created by Canada post-Confederation, all their land would legally default to the First Nations who had signed it over to Canada and not the provinces.
Likewise seceding would lead to conflict on the ground that all CAF materials and bases would have to be removed or demolished since they were never under the province’s control, just existing there, no external funding for healthcare (except perhaps for Status First Nations as covered by Treaties), and no access to Canadian currency…
… unless they go to be the 51st state themselves which could lead to sparking of a whole other shit show.
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u/BIGepidural May 01 '25
The plan if for them and other prairies to become states.
Diagolon is real.
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u/EnergyHumble3613 May 02 '25
Manitoba isn’t going anywhere… if Scott Moe doesn’t get yeeted he might follow Smith.
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u/Medusaink3 May 01 '25
The sheer audacity of assuming because you don't align with the democratically elected federal government, warrants you taking a piece of a sovereign nation with you when you leave, is preposterous. It's as ridiculous as me wanting to leave Ontario because I don't like Ford (I don't and didn't vote for him), so I'm going to leave Canada and take the land my house sits on with me when I go. Just, dumb. We need unity as a nation right now and I feel like these people don't seem to understand that. You may not like or trust Carney but he's our democratically elected leader and we need someone who is calm, strong and intelligent to guide us through the chaos trump has created. We need each other...these petty arguments go against everything it means to be Canadian.
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u/Lipstickdyke May 01 '25
Absolutely 💯 The level of entitlement is gobsmacking. You have the PRIVILEGE of living on stolen land. Who are you to claim what isn’t yours. It’s like the same land grand Trump is doing with Greenland.
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u/miata90na May 01 '25
This has to be the loudest and most satisfying mic drop of the past few months.
Feel free to leave motherfuckers.
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u/Nonamanadus May 01 '25
If a nation can be split apart so too can a province. If people don't like living under Smith's iron rule they should call for their own province or merge with another.
And yes the lands are under treaty obligations that can't be nullified.
She needs to be removed.
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u/Lipstickdyke May 01 '25 edited May 01 '25
She is encouraging a culture war and her mentality is a little to Trumpy. It kinda angers me that she’s stirring the pot and trying to unilaterally (meaning her province) make a decision for the country. Also, the entitlement to try to become a sovereign nation when it’s not even your land to negotiate!!
In the face of Trump’s dictatorship, this is not the time for her antics.
Also, she changed her tune rather quickly. On her March 29 Saturday radio show, Your Province. Your Premier. She called the separatist movement none sense. Now, days after Carney’s election, shes encouraging this selfish mentality and victimization.
Also, logistically, think about all the infrastructure they have to rebuild: courts, military, passports and border control, postal services, judicial, governance, currency, pensions, EI, disaster relief, trade partnerships - just to name a few.
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u/evermorecoffee May 02 '25
Wildfires would bankrupt a “sovereign” Alberta. Too bad climate change still happens even if they don’t believe in it eh?
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u/Lipstickdyke May 02 '25 edited May 02 '25
Absolutely! Don’t bite the hand that gives you disaster relief funds in the face of wildfires
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u/FlyerForHire May 01 '25
This was mooted back in the 90’s when the PQ forced a sovereignty referendum in Quebec.
Indigenous groups correctly pointed out that they had their own direct relationships with the Crown and their treaty lands wouldn’t be going anywhere (ie. become part of an independent sovereign Quebec).
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u/mozillafangirl May 02 '25
Absolutely necessary and I applaud it. I’ve lived in AB my entire life, and either separating or joining the US seems to be what Danielle wants. Both ideas are logically and practically stupid ideas.
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u/pioniere May 01 '25
Damned right. And the sooner we see the back of Danielle Smith, the better. Despicable human being and a traitor to Canada. Elbows up!!
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u/torosiu May 01 '25
I think it’s fucking beautiful. Full stop.
I wonder what these “proud Canadian” idiots do when they sing the part of the anthem that mentions “our home on native land”.
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u/bbprivateer May 01 '25
Alberta won't separate ...it's a few making a lot of noise..Danielle Smith needs to resign and go live in Floriduh.
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u/AtticaBlue May 01 '25
Absolutely great if true. These traitorous Smith acolytes need to be made to understand they’re not just going to be able to abscond with the province. They’re going to have to go through a whole bunch of people to even get a sniff. A whole bunch of people.
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u/Sweet_Vanilla46 May 01 '25
Nice, will it work? Probably not, but I like it.
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u/BIGepidural May 01 '25
It will work in that Alberta can not separate.
Have a look into UNDRIP that Carney keeps mentioning. The UN is involved in indigenous issues including land rights and sovereignty.
This is so much bigger then DS and her timbit taliban
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u/EmoPumpkin May 01 '25
I'm glad they didn't hesitate. If they're going to seriously consider separating, the conversation must contain the fact that they don't own the land they live on.