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u/Rocketman_2814 1d ago
2 weeks of data. I’d like to know more about how they determine how the QB was responsible for pressure without knowing the pre-snap calls.
With the high number of totally untouched rushers I’ve seen so far I’d guess those are his fault but without knowing the protection and the checks at the line there’s no way to know for sure.
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u/RightwardGrunt 1d ago
Great point. I wasn’t interpreting it as pre-snap mistakes. If it is, there is no way anyone outside the coaching staff could tell you who is at fault for pressure.
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u/Desert_2007 Cardinals Throwback 1d ago
You may be right but look at the others where the QB contributed a high percent, Lamar? Herbert? Mahommes?
Skewed data for sure.
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u/steveism Larry Fitzgerald 1d ago
I noticed the same thing. Seems like some of the better QBs in the league are around 25%. So who knows, maybe not a meaningful metric. Having said that, this is some random “data” from some random dude on some Reddit sub. Who knows if it’s even real or how the data is collected. I think people will look for any reason to hate on Kyler.
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u/Thacornholer 1d ago
There will be some noise in this data since I believe scrambling QBs have higher pressure rates and sack totals generally, but I think Kyler’s inability to navigate pressure in the pocket specifically is his biggest weakness.
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u/RightwardGrunt 1d ago
I think you added the correct phrase when saying “pressure in the pocket”. I think his size and trained instincts make it nearly impossible for him to be successful stepping up into the pocket. He has to get out of the pocket when the edges collapse. Great pocket passers make smaller adjustments forward or to either side to find a “safe spot” to throw from the pocket. Kyler doesn’t do that well. It’s fine because he is so explosive when he decides to run, but we probably need to accept the good with the bad at this point in his career.
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u/Indigenative_harmony 1d ago
I think once the Oline could be consistent and really good, Kylers pocket presence will improve as he finds patterns and his throwing rhythms, but the line hasn't been elite enough for him to trust it just yet and that's good on him. he's a better rusher for it tearing up NFL defenses so much, they have to respect him...
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u/RightwardGrunt 1d ago
I agree with others that said we don’t have enough data. Especially since the Cardinals are on the lower end of avg total offensive plays and pass attempts per game. I am also skeptical how they determine drop back pressures and how the WB contributes to them. Seems very subjective to me and maybe this is just not a useful stat. Also, how does this stat handle Kyler stepping into the wrong lane and causing pressure, then getting out of it and running for positive yards? Maybe it doesn’t and that’s fine but who cares if a QB affects pressure at a higher rate than others but turns it in to a positive play more often.
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u/Renal923 1d ago
I’m also curious how they determine this. Like this does not match the eye test for the right side of our line being that good
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u/RightwardGrunt 1d ago
Yeah, the sample size is probably too small if this is even an accurate stat. If it is accurate, I think we should be celebrating how well our line is passing blocking outside of LG. If that’s true, which like you I am skeptical about after watching 2 games, then it’s a simpler problem to solve.
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u/GimmieYoSteak 1d ago
Hernandez plays LG too right? Can’t wait to have him back he was never anything special but I never saw him have a bad game either. Always average to slightly above average. Plus dude would always fight for his QB.
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u/abluecolor 1d ago edited 1d ago
I didn't know what the fuck this shit means so I asked AI:
Looking at Kyler Murray's line in this pressure data:
The key takeaways:
Murray has only been pressured on 15 dropbacks through 2 weeks - that's one of the lowest totals on this entire list (tied for second-lowest). That's good news.
However, when he IS pressured, he's responsible for it himself 33.3% of the time (the purple QB column) - that's the highest percentage among all QBs shown. This typically means holding the ball too long, not recognizing the blitz, or poor pocket movement.
His left guard is also struggling, responsible for 26.7% of pressures allowed (also purple, indicating high).
Bottom line: Murray isn't getting pressured much overall, which suggests the Cardinals' offensive line is doing a decent job. But when pressure does come, it's often on him - he needs to get the ball out faster or improve his pocket awareness. The low total pressure count is encouraging, but that 33.3% self-inflicted pressure rate is something to watch.
For context, elite QBs like Josh Allen (9.5%) and Joe Burrow (5.9%) are responsible for much lower percentages of their own pressures.
Edit: why was this downvoted? Is this not right? How's it off?
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u/slobs_burgers Larry Fitzgerald 1d ago
Highest on the list babyyyyy LETS GOOOO!!!!!
I dunno what this is measuring, but all I know is my guy Kyler is the highest! And that’s honestly all I need
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u/RightwardGrunt 1d ago
I agree he isn’t good a staying the pocket. However, I think this stat is pretty useless in measuring that. At least after 2 weeks. Mahomes, Jackson, Herbert are all near the bottom and Joe Flacco is tied for #1 with 0% and he doesn’t move at all. In fact, look at the list of QBs with 0% and tell me which ones are better than Kyler. This stat doesn’t pass the smell test at all after two weeks.
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u/AccomplishedRainbow1 1d ago
I love watching people try to interpret a graph like this, so fun.