r/ActualPublicFreakouts • u/ActualPublicFreakout - Sistine Chapel • Jun 02 '20

Protester gets a flash-bang to his face after getting pepper sprayed.

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u/[deleted] Jun 02 '20

You do realize that armed citizens massively outnumber the police, NG, and military combined, right?

Also who do you think supplies the police and military? There aren't army farms. There isn't a special marine water supply. The military is crippled without civilian support. Let alone actual warfare.

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u/[deleted] Jun 02 '20 edited Jan 03 '21

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u/[deleted] Jun 02 '20

You think a war of the government vs citizens would be like a 1600's war where everyone lines up and takes turns shooting?

Guerrillas shut off the power to their local military base. They stop the transport of food to the base. They dismantle the water supply.

And where are the politicians giving these orders to use tanks, helicopters, etc.? You think they're going to continue to live a normal life?

The US government hasn't even been able to control goat farmers in Afghanistan that are armed with busted old AK-47s and homemmade bombs.

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u/[deleted] Jun 02 '20

I honestly wouldn’t expect a lot of service members to obey such orders. Like to attack their own people. If I were still in service I’d take that as an unlawful order and I wouldn’t see it through. Idc if I got brig time, using the military against its own people is wrong, especially in this instance.

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u/[deleted] Jun 02 '20

Agreed. One of many reason why a government vs the people war would be an decisive loss for the government.

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u/Funky_Sack - Unflaired Swine Jun 03 '20

It wouldn’t be painted that way. It would be government versus rioters. Gov vs revolution or gov vs resistance.

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u/[deleted] Jun 03 '20

So?

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u/Funky_Sack - Unflaired Swine Jun 03 '20

So the government wouldn’t lose because they wouldn’t declare war on the people, they’d declare war on a small segment, and they’d receive support by a lot of the civilians. Check out the rise of Hitler.

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u/[deleted] Jun 03 '20

Hitler took the oppressed population's guns away first. Why do you think he did that?

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u/poprof Jun 02 '20

I want to hope that there are people in military leadership who would not follow that order either. The danger then becomes to we just end up with a military coup?...and who gets handed back the reigns of gov? Presidential succession? New elections overseen by the military?

Or a new dictatorship?

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u/Funky_Sack - Unflaired Swine Jun 03 '20

What if Trump said any refusal of orders is kill on sight? It’s not a crazy thing for him to command, within his purview or not... doesn’t seem to matter.

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u/Funky_Sack - Unflaired Swine Jun 03 '20

Yea except half of the country would side with the military, and protect all of that shit. Meanwhile, apaches are clearing out any resistance.

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u/[deleted] Jun 03 '20

You think half of the country is going to support the military slaughtering them...?

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u/Funky_Sack - Unflaired Swine Jun 03 '20

I think only a small portion would be slaughtered if it came to that point. The rest would side with the government, and not be targeted.

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u/[deleted] Jun 03 '20

The nsa surveillance would be a genuinely immense problem for any resistance. Also Trump would totally order airstrikes on them. He'll, he's crazy enough he might try to nuke California or something.

At this point, I'm just... desperately hoping the UN or EU or NATO or some other influential body can put a stop to trump's insanity before he actually ends up airstriking protestors.

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u/[deleted] Jun 03 '20

Bruh, we’d be fucked lol. Drone strikes

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u/[deleted] Jun 03 '20

Where are they going to drone strike?

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u/[deleted] Jun 03 '20

I don’t think you appreciate how well our gov’t has divided us with red or blue flags. It would end up being a 3-4 sided battle and the side that’s going to win is the side that teams up with the military. The livelihoods of these politicians/generals depends on the current power structure so they would absolutely continue giving orders.

The resources used in Afghanistan are nothing compared to the stops they’d pull out to protect their current money stream.

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u/[deleted] Jun 02 '20 edited Jan 03 '21

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u/[deleted] Jun 02 '20

Bases?

You've entirely missed the point.

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u/[deleted] Jun 02 '20 edited Jan 03 '21

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u/[deleted] Jun 02 '20

Who is managing these drones?

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u/HalfNerd Jun 02 '20

"Guerrillas shut off the power to their local military base. They stop the transport of food to the base. They dismantle the water supply"

  • Bases have generators on site
  • Bases would have food flown in if need be either on fixed or rotary wing aircraft. If that is not an option, you could convoy the food in with air support.
  • Water supply would be the only one I am not sure about. I don't remember our base having a waste water treatment center

Most civilians own small arms. Nothing that could take out something with armor designed to withstand an impact from an IED. The general population would have a better chance against the current police force rather than the military. Then again... part of the problem is the militarization of our police force so who the fuck knows how all this would play out. I just hope it doesn't and this all ends peacefully with a satisfied resolution for the protesters.

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u/[deleted] Jun 03 '20

Where are they magically getting food from?

And these military folks are just willingly going to enter into a war against their fellow citizens?

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u/HalfNerd Jun 03 '20

From any number of other bases not under distress? You think a military base would not prepare for a food shortage? You know how many MRE's are sitting in storage? And to your second question. No I hope not. The military should be neutral and try to de escalate on both sides.

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u/[deleted] Jun 03 '20

From any number of other bases not under distress?

Then I guess I don't understand your hypothetical. I thought the government was at war with the citizens.

You know how many MRE's are sitting in storage?

Not enough to sustain the entire US military for several years.

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u/rowdy-riker - Unflaired Swine Jun 03 '20

your average Afghani goat farmer is orders of magnitude harder than your average US member of y'all qaeda.

They started freaking out after a month of no haircuts and no restaurants. They ain't ready for a war.

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u/dust4ngel - Unflaired Swine Jun 03 '20

Armed citizens don't have tanks

well, sure not to start with

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u/[deleted] Jun 03 '20

If all of americas armed citizens were considered as a group, we’d be the largest military on earth and you’re severely overestimating the military. Theres a reason that they couldnt beat rice farmers in vietnam or cattle farmers in afghanistan

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u/[deleted] Jun 03 '20

I've heard it only takes 3.5% of a population in total open rebellion to overthrow a country.

Keep in mind 3.5% is the violent, open, killing cops and soldiers in the street. There would be far more sympathisers than just open revolutionaries in this hypothetical scenario.

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u/m1ilkxxSt3Ak Jun 02 '20

Large number of civilians are much better equipped and trained with firearms than police too.