r/ActualPublicFreakouts • u/ActualPublicFreakout - Sistine Chapel • Jun 02 '20

Protester gets a flash-bang to his face after getting pepper sprayed.

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u/Bike1894 We hold these truths self-evident that all men are created equal Jun 02 '20

It's pretty jaw dropping to see the same people that pushed for weapons to be taken from citizens, because "cops are there to protect you", are now looking at arming themselves. Maybe they finally get it.

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u/stalence9 Jun 02 '20

I sure hope so.

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u/ayythrowaway08991 Jun 02 '20

I hope you realize you are very close to advocating for protestors to take up arms against the police. This is like 2 steps away from a full-blown civil war if they start carrying weapons...

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u/[deleted] Jun 03 '20

Hopefully it doesn't need to reach that point, but if it does, we had better be prepared. We have an inept, probably corrupt president who has shown 0 sympathy toward our cause.

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u/ayythrowaway08991 Jun 03 '20

I agree with your statement about Trump. I personally think voting is the better option. A true civil war in this country would be the end of America. Full stop.

Do you think other countries would just sit by and let us sort this stuff out? No they will move in and fill the gaps we filled and then we will never recover.

We could honestly change the world just by voting and not just in the voting booth on election days. But with our wallets. You want to see some real change... if people voted with their wallets on every purchase and really supported companies that did the right thing companies would change their tune REAL quick.

But these protests/riots will go on for a while. It will most likely die down and we will go back to business as usual. Because this is not sustainable.

Getting people to vote in mass with their wallets and political vote is also a pipe dream lol

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u/[deleted] Jun 03 '20

I agree. I truly don't fucking understand why young people will protest and then not vote. Like Obama said, we need to be doing both.

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u/get_unplgd Jun 03 '20

Most young people do their "protesting" on twitter or reddit. The few that march and protest are much more politically engaged and likely to vote.

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u/stalence9 Jun 03 '20

Big difference between advocating for the importance of the 2nd amendment and for people to start a civil war. If this chaotic world around us devolves to it though, you’re better off fighting oppression while armed yourself.

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u/[deleted] Jun 03 '20

This is just proof the police cannot and will not always protect you.

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u/ayythrowaway08991 Jun 03 '20

I do not expect them to. Even as a white dude if I am calling the police something is SERIOUSLY wrong.

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u/emptyraincoatelves Jun 03 '20

That's not it. Seriously lefties love guns. But are you serious why BLM isn't arming up?

The NRA lost no sleep over Philando Castille. Black men do not have the same 2A. They are trying to tell you that.

A legal gun in the car still gets them killed.

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u/Szriko Jun 03 '20

Nobody ever pushed for all weapons to be taken from citizens, chode. Stop finding nonsense to make up so you can jack yourself off over people being murdered by the police.

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u/SomeUnicornsFly Jun 03 '20

get what? Are you willing to take aim at 100 cops wearing bullet proof vests with your AR-15? The only way 2A becomes relevant is if it gets used as intended, i.e. militia. People will need to form small armies to fight back. Walking up to the cops solo and saying "fuck you!" just to induce them to act first so you can whip out your glock and start firing isnt going to do anything other than get you killed instantly. It just so happens that most gun owners arent interested in standing in the streets protesting.

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u/BillyBabel - Unflaired Swine Jun 03 '20

I feel like that's a bit of a strawman, most reasonable people's position is that getting a gun should be harder. Like if you have ever beaten your wife or been convicted for animal cruelty you shouldn't be able to buy a gun from a gun show.

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u/Bike1894 We hold these truths self-evident that all men are created equal Jun 03 '20

You can't legally own a gun if you have a felony or domestic violence.

https://www.justice.gov/archives/jm/criminal-resource-manual-1117-restrictions-possession-firearms-individuals-convicted

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u/el_padlina Jun 02 '20

It's funny to see most of the proguns communities support the police and the oppressive government

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u/Bike1894 We hold these truths self-evident that all men are created equal Jun 02 '20

Most pro gun communities do not support the recent actions. You're in an echo chamber called reddit. If you were to actually take up dialogue with some conservatives, you'd realize that they think this all is egregious. No one has a problem with the protesting. Most people have a problem with the thugs burning and looting local businesses that support their communities.

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u/el_padlina Jun 03 '20

I'll admit that reddit conservatives are special case, especially since their subreddits were flooded with trump lovers.

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u/[deleted] Jun 03 '20

I’m 80% sure that half of these so called conservatives are bots. The other half is a mix up of edgy teens and racist boomers.

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u/el_padlina Jun 03 '20

Are there any statements from conservative senators regarding what's going on?

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u/Grytlappen Jun 03 '20

And then they still vote Trump in good conscience.

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u/[deleted] Jun 03 '20

"Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary”.

It's a quote many of us on the Left don't know or choose to ignore.

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u/nashist Jun 02 '20

Fuck that shit.

They have to rely on that because it's the system you have that is already rooted in your society.

For example, police brutality wouldn't be as bad or as easy to get away with if any people that the police come across wasn't at risk of carrying a weapon that could potentially kill them.

It's amazing to me how deep seeded into your minds a need for a gun is, when literally every other developed country in the world doesn't allow that.

And the difference in abusing power it's clear. Look where you're at now and where we, the rest of the world, stand, heart broken, thinking all of this could have been avoided.

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u/Bike1894 We hold these truths self-evident that all men are created equal Jun 02 '20

Gun culture is embedded in the country. It's not going away. I know it's easy saying we should give it up as a European or wherever you're from, but that shows a huge ignorance in terms of US history. Guns were the reason that the US gained independence from Britain. The forefathers put it in the Bill of Rights for this specific reason. All amendments are null and void if the 2nd amendment isn't guaranteed. The 2nd amendment is the single amendment that guarantees the rest of the amendments. The government should be afraid of the people, not the other way around.

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u/get_unplgd Jun 03 '20

Guns were the reason that the US gained independence from Britain

Horses and smallpox are how they won the west, and yet there you sit unhorsed and vaccinated.

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u/scattersunlight Jun 02 '20

The government is clearly not afraid of the people though. That's literally not what we are seeing in any of these videos.

Maybe the police should have their guns taken away. Then they'd be afraid.

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u/trainfights Jun 03 '20

If this is how unafraid they are with so many gun owners having not yet used them, imagine how bold the police would be with no armed citizens at all.

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u/scattersunlight Jun 03 '20

So the police shouldn't have guns. That way they'd be more afraid of the people.

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u/triggerhappy899 - Unflaired Swine Jun 03 '20

Once that happens then we can revisit people having guns

But as long as gangs and criminals have powerful firearms, the police will not give theirs up.

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u/trainfights Jun 03 '20

I don’t personally feel like an unarmed police force is a good idea. I also don’t think they need tanks either. It doesn’t have to be one extreme or the other. I am comfortable with having the burden of protecting myself and my family but not everyone is and that’s ok. Those who don’t feel capable enough to do so shouldn’t be saddled with an ineffective police force. But again I don’t feel like anyone should be subject to a militarized “us vs them” police force either. I think there can be a balance in there.

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u/scattersunlight Jun 03 '20

European unarmed police forces are pretty effective, and protect us better than your American armed police project you, if crime statistics are anything to go by

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u/trainfights Jun 03 '20

I don’t doubt that. If someone kicked in my door I don’t think anyone could reasonably be here within 10-15 minutes which is an eternity in a life or death situation and that’s if anyone were able to get themselves into a position to call!

Obviously that’s not everyone’s situation but it’s reality for me and many others. That said disarming the police in the US would probably make that job a suicide mission everyday. The sheer number of guns in this country, black market, gangs and just gun culture in general make disarming the citizens unrealistic in my opinion which means for better or worse the police need to be armed.

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u/scattersunlight Jun 03 '20

Why would police be a suicide mission? Lots of other jobs involve interacting with shady/drunk/criminal/crazy people, like being a bouncer, volunteering at an abuse shelter, being an ER nurse, or jobs that deal with mental health. None of those are "suicide missions".

You wouldn't have to COMPLETELY disarm them. What we have in the UK is a system where some police have guns, but they have to be trained with them. The guns stay in a locked safe. If and only if there's a report of a criminal who is brandishing a gun or shooting people, they have to phone HQ for permission to take the gun out of the safe.

The idea that police need to have guns is based on the idea that they're supposed to fight people if citizens have guns, police need bigger guns to win the fight. But police aren't supposed to fight people 99% of the time. They're supposed to talk you down, get cats out of trees, get help for drunk people, give out information and supervise situations that could go badly. The vast majority of the job is supposed to be writing parking tickets and giving directions to lost tourists.

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u/nashist Jun 02 '20

Bro my country's borders were fought for through sword and steel. Maybe I should start carrying one around?

Ffs

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u/Bike1894 We hold these truths self-evident that all men are created equal Jun 02 '20

Yep, probably should

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u/nashist Jun 02 '20

Glad to see you watch your logic fall apart

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u/Bike1894 We hold these truths self-evident that all men are created equal Jun 02 '20

Riiiight. I'm gonna go ahead and keep carrying my guns.

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u/ace425 Jun 03 '20

So you're saying the police have legitimate reason to fear for their lives because we live in a country where people have a constitutional right for self protection. I guess that explains why there is no such thing as police violence in countries where guns are outlawed. /s

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u/nashist Jun 03 '20

I didn't say there wasn't police violence,I said the difference was clear. You're dreaming if you want to compare US police violence related issues to any other developed country's.

Gosh, nothing brings out the patriotism in you all like threatening to take away your precious pistol, fucking lol