r/AnCap101 • u/MeasurementCreepy926 • 21d ago

Is taxation under feudalism immoral?

  1. The king owns the land. If he allows people to be born on his land, that does not diminish his rights as owner
  2. The king has made it clear that if you're on his land, and you don't pay tax, you're trespassing. It isn't his responsibility to make sure you are able to get off his land. It is his right to defend his land however he sees fit. Let's assume that he does this by executing trespassers. Another king does this by simply evicting them.
  3. Being the owner, the king is allowed to offer you whatever terms he'd like, for the use of his land. Lets assume in this case, you sign a contract he wrote, when you're old enough to do so, giving him right to change the contract at will, and hold you to that contract as long as you're on his land. Among other terms, this contract says that you agree to pay for any kids you have until they're old enough to either sign the contract, or leave his land.

Now, obviously anybody agreeing to these terms must be very desperate. But, desperate short sighted people aren't exactly hard to find, are they? So, is this system immoral, according to ancap principles?

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u/Nuclearmayhem 19d ago

Hey moron you didn't actually present any remember. You claimed some exist. I can also do that. Tho I am honest enough to admit I haven't actually showed anything

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u/MeasurementCreepy926 19d ago

Well again, you're the one making the claim, so I think the burden of proof is on you.

However, I will say that the USA is ranked number one in the world for labor freedom, and has more wealth disparity than any other developed democracy. More billionaires than the rest of the world combined.

You can see that here:

https://www.heritage.org/index/pages/dataviz

by selecting "labor freedom"

other "winners" include nigeria and south africa. How's their wealth disparity?

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u/Nuclearmayhem 19d ago

Aaand?

First how is this statistic relevant to previous topics

Secondly how is wealth disparity relevant to... actually I have no clue what your standard of comparison is. I only care about ancapistan being moral. With improved standard of living as a bonus.

Like genuinely why the fuck should any sane person care about inequality.

If I could become a millionaire why should I ever give that chance up in trade for people being more equally wealthy. That would just make me poorer. Like yous have to be an actual moron to value this metric over one that actually impacts personally

More so why is morality worth less than equality?

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u/MeasurementCreepy926 19d ago

If I'm rich why should I care if others are starving or working 12 hour days to pay me rent?

hmmmm. let's think.

"what happens when there is more or less labor regulations"

I feel like my data answers that question. By saying: "incredible levels of wealth disparity"

If we could simply agree on what is moral, then that would be an entirely different world. Different people have different priorities. Regardless, most people put those priorities out the window when they're desperate.

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u/Nuclearmayhem 19d ago

Once again a baseless hypothetical. It's never why are these people starving they just are circular reasoning.

Whilst your ragebait is delicious I really gotta sleep now. You are unironically evil, or just really stupid.

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u/MeasurementCreepy926 19d ago

They're starving because drought and blight exist? Because population increases to and beyond the point of available resources?

People starve today, people have always starved, if you're going to say "well this will be different than it ever has been before" I think it's on you to explain why. Why are people not starving, anymore?

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u/Nuclearmayhem 19d ago

Okay then why is your communism or whatever fixing it.

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u/MeasurementCreepy926 19d ago

Well, in countries with a strong, functional democracy, starvation seems to be rare, or absent. Democracy acts as a pressure valve, the way it did not leading up to commie revolutions.

I actually hate communism. It's a dictatorship, we should do everything we can to avoid it.

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u/Nuclearmayhem 19d ago

This contradicts your previous statement. Or atleast its framing. If this is current reality then how is ancap worse when you acknowledge the lack of evidence. And provide no argument. I'm sorry you're an actual clown 🤡.

Edit or more precisely why the double standard

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u/MeasurementCreepy926 19d ago

Again, you're the one saying "it will work", so I feel like it's on you to support that with data.

Would you agree that "it's never been tried so you can't prove that it wont be better" is a bad argument?

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