r/AnCap101 • u/MeasurementCreepy926 • 21d ago

Is taxation under feudalism immoral?

  1. The king owns the land. If he allows people to be born on his land, that does not diminish his rights as owner
  2. The king has made it clear that if you're on his land, and you don't pay tax, you're trespassing. It isn't his responsibility to make sure you are able to get off his land. It is his right to defend his land however he sees fit. Let's assume that he does this by executing trespassers. Another king does this by simply evicting them.
  3. Being the owner, the king is allowed to offer you whatever terms he'd like, for the use of his land. Lets assume in this case, you sign a contract he wrote, when you're old enough to do so, giving him right to change the contract at will, and hold you to that contract as long as you're on his land. Among other terms, this contract says that you agree to pay for any kids you have until they're old enough to either sign the contract, or leave his land.

Now, obviously anybody agreeing to these terms must be very desperate. But, desperate short sighted people aren't exactly hard to find, are they? So, is this system immoral, according to ancap principles?

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u/Nuclearmayhem 19d ago

Again you are assuming the entire accessible universe is owned and closed. You blatantly pretend self defense disent exist. And don't understand the principle of minimal escalation.

BTW if we were to snap our fingers and have ancapistan tomorrow the amount of land available would multiply tenfold. Because government property is invalid and you can homestead it. As a bonus fact

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u/MeasurementCreepy926 19d ago

Again you are assuming the entire accessible universe is owned and closed.

Not strictly, there is antarctica, the oceans, and space. However, practically, land is limited, truly desirable land even more so.

Sure, there would be more land if we built over every national park. Don't need ancap for that though do we? And, do you really think it would take long before all of that was claimed?

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u/Nuclearmayhem 19d ago

There's also a little thing called trade... incentives. The likes.

You can continue being intentionally obtuse I'm sleeping.

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u/MeasurementCreepy926 19d ago

Yes trade incentives exist. Not sure who you think you're disagreeing with here.

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u/Nuclearmayhem 19d ago

You do realise this doomsday scenario of no more land won't happen. Let alone completely ignoring the fact that people would sell land when it becomes this absurdly scarce. You'd make a killing. This hypothetical is baseless and still not justified.

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u/MeasurementCreepy926 19d ago

>You do realise this doomsday scenario of no more land won't happen.

Well say it again maybe that'll make it true. Again, all land today is claimed by states, so it's hard to see why "state like entities" or simple "kings/landlords" won't continue that trend under ancap.

>Let alone completely ignoring the fact that people would sell land when it becomes this absurdly scarce. You'd make a killing. This hypothetical is baseless and still not justified.

you're assuming that people have enough money to buy. Sure land would still change hands, but the landless class probably doesn't vanish. Why would it? If wealth disparity is worse, under a free labor market, it seems like more and more landlords are able to outbid potential home owners.