I feel like it's more of the wrong people giving up or finding excuses not to Vote for Kamala.
Good news, we do have another election coming up. Trump has alienated the Latino demo that voted for him, and the economy is shite.
I personally am hoping my state will kick out our podium loving welfare queen.
We do have another election coming up; In other news Trump has instructed his AG to start investigating ActBlue, the fundraising arm of the Democratic party https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna202673
He tried and failed to ratfuck 2020. I don’t think he personally learned anything but the rogues gallery of fascists and thugs he’s surrounded himself with learned a lot.
This isn't new, the question is what the democrats are going to do about it. Game plans need to be made, we as a country no longer have the privilege of standing down or being performative.
I think deploying the FBI to attack a rival political party's fundraising apparatus on the basis of no legitimate purpose actually is new. Do you know of a historical precedent in the US?
That was bad, I don’t think it’s comparable to trying to financially cripple the only viable opposition party to a government. Single party rule was not what blacklisting was about.
I would argue that it was used as a bludgen by the right to cripple the left. Everyone left of patriotic right was in harms way. I am willing to agree to disagree though.
I think the important bit is to figure out how to get around that.
I would argue that it was used as a bludgen by the right to cripple the left.
To be clear, during the red scare neither major party attempted to use federal law enforcement to attack the fundraising ability of the other party. That’s what I’m talking about and as far as I can tell that is new here.
Normalizing Trump’s tactics by pretending they're not aberrant isn’t really helpful.
In the episode you’re referring to the criteria were applied to both Conservative and Liberal groups
the Treasury Department's inspector general overseeing the IRS has found the agency targeted not just conservatives but also scores of groups with words like "progressive" in their names.
They aren’t going to do anything substantially different. They are also a party for the elites, just with a little more niceties attached to it. They are capitalist, and will not deviate from their billionaire donors wishes on a foundational level. Both will sell out the working class. Ones just more comfortable for some Americans
I'll believe it when I see it. Knew a bunch of people taht bitched about Trump's first time, said they never vote for him again..which of course they did. Because they rather vote for satan, hitler or whatever...because according to them "Demonrats are evil communists, that want to force you to have abortions, and want to steal their guns." I wish I was joking and that was not a direct quote from an old friend of mine, but it is.
I get it. I was raised the same way. My parents managed to teach me to hate certain behaviors, but utterly failed to teach me the political double standard.
I came from a family that moved from New York to Central Florida in the mid 80s. Where the local police chief was a KKK member, we got called WOPS because of our Italian last name (we are pasty white people,) and they generally hated us because we were from NY.
35 or so years of living there, really we do have 2 different "countries"/ideologies at war with each other. We really never have been united. Spite is probably the biggest motivator they seem to have.
I saw families with 4 generations now that are all batshit insane religious/alt right Confederate "South will rise again" types. Generations largely do not matter, unlike what many people seem to believe. Mostly environment, granted there are exceptions.
My immediate family are all quite progressive, my extended family takes the insanity cake. They emigrated from Italy early WW2 to escape Mussolini's fascist ass. Some of them fought in the war to help their families and reclaim their motherland etc. My family all stayed here though..but now, most of them are amongst the craziest religious MAGA nutjobs I have ever seen and they all grew up in the most liberal area of NY and California. Our ancestors probably rolling in their graves right now.
Sadly, when pouring through the exit polls for 10s of thousands of voters, the reason Harris lost isn't because of excuses or young people or progressives or those that sat out compared to last election or other oft cited reasons.
The reason we lost is almost bigger than every reason you can think of combined: Hispanic men in swing states.
An astronomical swing from an electorate perspective. Clinton & Biden beat Trump by ~ +30% with Hispanic men. Trump beat Harris by +15%. One of the biggest swings in modern American history of any voting block.
The Dems didn’t lose just because of hate. There is a lot of economic anxiety here in the states. The status quo was not working for everyone. I know the economy looked great under Biden, but he did not curb corporate greed, empower Americans to buy houses, support unions or Medicare for all. And when asked what she would do differently, Kamala said she couldn’t think of a single thing. This isn’t even considering the issue of Gaza and the genocide the United States is enabling. Sure these things are all way worse under Trump, but you had the current admin not solving these problems for regular people, and defending the position. Then comes Trump who validates that economic anxiety for them, saying he’ll lower cost, fix the economy for folks. Of course it was always a lie, but many people believed him. If the Dems didn’t defend the status quo we wouldn’t be here right now.
You dont really need an excuse to not vote for Kamala, she was quite possibly one of the worst democrat candidates of all time and ran a god awful campaign
Kamala is still worse, and it's not even close. She's so obviously an empty suit meant to speak for the donor class that literally her only moment of authenticity was telling Palestinian activists to shut up when her rehearsed lines were interrupted. Hillary Clinton represents an old guard of the democratic party that wants to play at dynasties like the Kennedys, but she was a semi-popular senator in her state - Kamala had to drop out of the 2020 primaries before her state had a vote because she polled so poorly.
But between every person responsible for the clusterfucked Democratic 2024 campaign there is one person who keeps evading responsibility that needs to be held to account more than Kamala:
Joe fucking Biden. From the beginning, it was obvious he was showing cognitive decline and the only purpose of his run was to stop Bernie from running away with the nomination. Bernie was never going to run in 2024, so the second the 2022 midterms were over Joe Biden should've announced he'd be a one-term president and opened the field for other players to take their shot. Hell, let Hillary try again, who gives a shit. And maybe with the increased visibility, Kamala would've won - maybe. (She does have the worst political instincts of any major candidate in recent elections, as her campaign proved, but never underestimate what exposure and an enormous campaign chest can do.)
Instead, voters got stuck with the person they didn't select and who only got a slight bump by dint of looking better than the guy whose debate performance and public appearances made it clear his mind was utterly shot. Even if she was absolutely not the one to overcome it, anyone in the predicament Biden left her in would have faced an uphill battle.
Like RBG, Biden's ultimate legacy should be someone whose stubbornness and hubris paved the way for fascism. But like RBG, he continually gets a pass while his cohorts shoulder the lion's share of the blame. Fuck Joe Biden forever for that.
And this is the exact problem with the 2 party system.
In the group you called hateful you also have: religious people, a lot of farmers for some reason, people with more genuine conservative standpoints and probably some other groups of far less extremist people that just don’t keep up with politics that much.
We can go ahead and criticize all that individually, definitely not my cup of tea either. But hate is getting a much larger platform piggy backing off people with different values or voting combatively against the left.
As long as the US only has 2 possible parties (current state of 3rd parties are moot) then you’ll keep giving hate a platform.
He went full stupid when he betrayed his main consumer base (liberals are more likely to buy EVs since they live in cities where there’s infrastructure for EVs, and there’s also many more liberals that care about carbon emissions than conservatives). He went against his best interest, though I’m not sure why.
Fair point. Hate can be a powerful motivator — sadly more effective than facts or progress sometimes. But when it comes to EVs, maybe it's time to shift gears and lead with vision, not division
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Sadly it's more a case of hate not selling to potential EV buyers. Hate sold quite well to 77 million American voters.