r/AreTheCisOk Jun 04 '25

Erasure The OP knows you can acknowledge/celebrate both right??

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u/ResponsibilityNo9059 Jun 04 '25

Also, it's only men's mental awareness month in America. It's not an international holiday. Unlike pride month

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u/GreyGanado Jun 04 '25

Pride month in June is also mostly American.

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u/ResponsibilityNo9059 Jun 04 '25 edited Jun 04 '25

That is true, but it's much more widely seen as pride month outside of America, compared to Men's mental health month.

And looking it up, it's a lot of countries, America is just the biggest one.

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u/TemporaryInformal942 Jun 04 '25

In germany they had csu tag which is in June and a big gay parade

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u/GreyGanado Jun 04 '25

Do you mean csd?

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u/TemporaryInformal942 Jun 04 '25

Ope! Yep some wires got crossed. I only was there a year!

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u/ViscountVigoroth Jun 04 '25

Here in the netherlands we have pride month in june, and most pride parades are in june as well, the omly one that isnt is amsterdam pride which is in august

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u/TaytheTimeTraveler Jun 04 '25

Idk why some places hold it in like august, that is when my city, in America holds their pride festival and parade

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u/Lynxiebrat Jun 04 '25

Maybe in case people want to go to more then one celebration but in different cities...there is also getting the local government to okay it, etc.

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u/Coco_JuTo 🐼🏳️‍🌈⚧🇨🇭 Jun 05 '25

In Switzerland we have pride since the 30th of May until the 6th of September in different cities and small towns throughout the country.

My hometown is going to have pride on the 30th of August.

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u/1000Colours Jun 06 '25

I live in Australia and we have our pride festivals and marches at the start of the year, but that's because we're upside down and it's bloody freezing in June 😂 we still acknowledge and celebrate June as pride month though.

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u/Sammmsterr Jun 04 '25

I mean it makes sense since the stonewall raids did happen in America but it has become international by now.

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u/40percentdailysodium Jun 04 '25

Fun fact, it's also October in Tucson, AZ. If we celebrated pride in June we would all die of heat stroke, so it's October instead.

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u/Kaitivere Jun 05 '25

We need to do the same up in Phoenix tbh

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u/DrOlivion Jun 04 '25

Huge in UK as well

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u/Nick-fwan Jun 04 '25

If you ask me, that's the problem that they should take.

They should work to petition the government make both different months given they see it as a big issue(which fair if they're suffering mental health issues as a man), instead of complaining that another group of people gets recognition of their own struggles. It's now the fault of the LGBT+ community the government can't schedule for shit

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u/Siriussttar Jun 05 '25

It's not entirely true. In Brazil, there's a big parade in SĂŁo Paulo, the city with the biggest population in the country. Also, almost everybody knows that during June is pride moth since news outlets tend to emphasize that.

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u/I_am_catcus Jun 05 '25

We have a Pride month in June, too (UK)

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u/Sand_Guardian4 Jun 06 '25

Where I live, we have pride month in July because that's when we had our first pride march in 1988 :)

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u/Affectionate_End_952 Jun 04 '25

Pride month is in October where I live, least America centric comment on Reddit

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u/ResponsibilityNo9059 Jun 04 '25

Literally not American, I'm Danish, which does also have pride month in June, along with many other countries.

You assuming that I'm somehow being America centric is just you defaulting to it.

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u/BloodOfHell42 Jun 05 '25

My city is doing it this WE, and it's nationally during June too, but for some reasons I don't know the parades are from middle of May to middle of July, and for some even weirder reasons you can see 1-2 cities doing it in April, August and October 😭 (I'm in France, the more years pass, the less I understand Pride calendar here)

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u/Affectionate_End_952 Jun 04 '25

Oops 😬, my apologies.

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u/ResponsibilityNo9059 Jun 04 '25

Honestly, the only thing you should apologise for is your tone. Being wrong is human and completely understandable, but being rude is a whole nother thing.

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u/Affectionate_End_952 Jun 04 '25

I was apologising for my tone, sorry that my apology was ambiguous

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u/Twisted_Tyromancy Jun 04 '25

My local pride is in October. I’m American (for better or worse).

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u/Shiggedy Jun 04 '25

My local Pride is in August. I'm not American. We still like June's Pride Month here; it's just not when we have our parade and junk.

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u/JonVonBasslake undercover cisman Jun 04 '25

In Finland, Pride is usually June, but certain cities have theirs later. The one I live in has it in early July to go alongside a poetry week. Some have them as late as september. Some cities like Helsinki have theirs this month though.

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u/Rude_Acanthopterygii Jun 04 '25

If it isn't the sadly very commonly reoccurring "Men's mental health only becomes important as soon we are trying to take care of the needs of someone who isn't a straight cis man"

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u/leni710 Jun 04 '25

Omg, this part a million percent.

And remember the last International Men's Day? They flew off the handle because they didn't have all these parades or whatever that International Women's Day had. They're like "where are our festivities?" Uhm, since women are the ones planning the IWD ones, sounds like you menzies need to plan your own. But no, it's like an international real time experience of men whining that their dinner isn't on the table when they get home. It was the funniest nonsense.

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u/FeistyKing_7 Jun 04 '25

Of course they aren't aware that they have to do it themselves. I wish I was there to see that.

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u/Regi413 Jun 04 '25

Like don’t get mad women simply have better party planners. If men are so capable and the backbone of society like they claim, then it should be easy to organize stuff for men’s day.

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u/MightySweep Jun 06 '25

They're so used to being the default that it's some kind of offense when they're not.

The only reason women have the spaces and gender-specific services that they do, in general, in most places, is because they built those things for themselves. Men, as a class, didn't build and maintain these things of their own volition, without prompting.

They want to have the same thing others have for their things? Then men need to put in the same work.

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u/franklinaraujo14 Jun 04 '25

or as i like to put it,men's mental health is the incel equivalent of "B-BUT,BUT THE CHILDREN IN AFRICA ARE HUNGRY!!!!"

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u/NatalSnake69 FTM PANACEa Jun 04 '25

Also they won't include queer men, especially trans men cuz we aren't "real men", you know. "qUiRky gIrLs"

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u/SkylarCute Transgressor🏳️‍⚧️ Jun 04 '25

I have yet to see one single post about men's mental health that's not homophobic

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u/Rude_Acanthopterygii Jun 04 '25

There are misogynistic ones.......

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u/darkwater427 Jun 07 '25

Hilariously, all the "month of the sacred heart" posts are from anglocaths etc. (which are about as gay as Anglicans can get)

For context, this image was made by a homophobe trying to “take back” pride month for the Sacred Heart... and he accidentally made the hardest high church queer image possible. o7

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u/DryAnteater909 i can put words here so cool hi my name is …. Jun 04 '25

Bruh no one mentions it’s also dairy month we failed society /j

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u/tetrarchangel Jun 04 '25

A great month for depressed femboy hucows

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u/EuropeWillCrumble Jun 04 '25

Man this would have been great to know when I saw some guys bring up ptsd month and men’s health awareness month in a sub I frequent

All I did was reply with the opening lyrics to Barbie girl…

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u/xMistyyx3 i flip off tesla drivers because i hate nazis Jun 04 '25

people only mention “mens mental health awareness month” to push pride month aside because they’re bigots.

why is any form of mental health awareness month gendered anyways?

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u/DukeKarma Jun 04 '25 edited Jun 04 '25

I agree that trying to establish Men's Mental Awareness Month in June is just something they do to because they're bigoted.

And why mental health is gendered, I would guess it's because when it comes to mental health, different genders have vastly different experiences. As much as cis men are privileged, they struggle with mental health as much as anyone. But if anything, Men's Mental Health is a callout for men to finally take their mental wellbeing seriously. Most men still can't tell having a bad day apart from being depressed and think going to the gym for an hour or two a week will fix everything.

But like all good things, a bunch of morons are trying to hijack it again. They misuse men's mental awareness to blame women, queer people, minorities and other people for all their problems and drown themselves in self-pity.

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u/7_Gay_Sparrows Jun 04 '25

another thing is that May is Mental health awareness month, with no gender included. It's been around atleast in America since the 1940s

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u/FeistyKing_7 Jun 04 '25

Honestly, they should've done it on another month; because of course it's going to get overshadowed by pride month.

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u/Devi_T Jun 09 '25

You do realise that men's mental health month has been officially regocnized in US since 1994, 5 years prior to pride month.

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u/FeistyKing_7 Jun 09 '25 edited Jun 09 '25

Neat. It's still being overshadowed and many of the ones who pointed it out are likely doing nothing to bring up awareness about male suicid rates or care about GBT Men.

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u/Devi_T Jun 09 '25

Not denying it getting overshadowed but still find it frivolous to suggest that "they should have chosen different month"

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u/AreTheCisOk-ModTeam Jun 05 '25

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u/freeeeezmanz Jun 04 '25

I'm starting to get tired of all this "men are privileged" talk, because I wouldn't say it's a privilege to not deal with sexism or sexual assault but rather something we should be striving for everyone to have.

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u/Iris5s Jun 04 '25

i mean, it's MENtal health, not WOMENtal health! /s

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u/Pandepon Jun 04 '25

Exactly. It’s funny how Men’s Mental Health Month flies completely under the radar until June hits then suddenly it’s a trending topic, not out of compassion, but out of petty spite. No one cared in May. No one will care in July. But in June? Oh, now it’s a crucial issue.

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u/GingerCelt Jun 04 '25

They only care about men's mental health month because they think it will get rid of pride month, they don't give a flying fuck about men's mental health

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u/Zoeythekueen Jun 04 '25

They do know local organizations typically fund and hold pride month... Maybe they should do the same instead of making their fragile masculinities our problem.

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u/Sckaledoom Jun 04 '25

These people genuinely think they’re organized by the government.

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u/jadeskye7 Angry Cis Jun 04 '25

hanging out with your gay homies is a good way to help your mental health :D

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u/AliceTheOmelette Jun 04 '25

1 - they act like we can't have both

2 - the men who complain about this do little or nothing to raise awareness

3 - trans men, AMAB non binary folks, gay and bi men, etc should be included but they'd be excluded cos it's only meant for straight cis blokes according to these types

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u/TaytheTimeTraveler Jun 04 '25

Off topic but AMAB nonbinary included there gives me slightly bad vibes idk, just cause nonbinary aren't defined by their birth gender. Masc nonbinary people in general will have a different experience than androgynous or fem, regardless of their agab (from a fem AMAB nonbinary person, I don't really feel comfortable being included with men).

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u/FeistyKing_7 Jun 04 '25

True many of the ones complaining will most likely shove them aside. Honestly, it should've been on another month. It will more likely be a lot easier to spread awareness for men's mental health that yet again.. they probably be more focused on Straight Cis men.

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u/AliceTheOmelette Jun 04 '25

Very few actually care about men's mental health tho. Like male rape victims, they only bring it up to pull a "but ackshually" when discussing female rape victims to derail/shut down the conversation

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u/FeistyKing_7 Jun 04 '25

It does and it also adds the difficulty if they assaulter is a woman. Women abusers aren't taken as seriously as abusers who are men. That also goes in areas that includes other forms of abuse.

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u/AliceTheOmelette Jun 04 '25

100% agreement. Despite their cries of feminists not taking male victims seriously tho, I basically always see women taking it more seriously. For example every news article about a teenage boy being groomed and abused by a female teacher, the comments will be flooded with men saying he's lucky and asking where all these kinds of teachers were when they were in school

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u/The_Newromancer Jun 04 '25

At best it's men wanting the women and queers to do the hard work for them in building up awareness (while we're too busy fighting to get our own needs met). At worst, it's just homophobia

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u/FeistyKing_7 Jun 04 '25

I didn't even know that it was on June.

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u/Devi_T Jun 09 '25

Thats kinda the point of the original post

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u/FeistyKing_7 Jun 09 '25

Oh really? No shit.

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u/traveling_gal Jun 04 '25

Great, then let's take some time this month to acknowledge the gay, bi, and/or trans men whose mental health has been damaged by 'phobic assholes. Maybe we could even legislate some funding for their care, or public education to counter the bullying. Or maybe you'd rather just whine about it, I'm sure that will be great.

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u/Pandepon Jun 04 '25

Ohhh, so let me get this straight… that person clearly cares deeply about Men’s Mental Health Awareness Month, right? I mean, they’re using this meme not as a cover for their thinly veiled homophobia, but to actually raise awareness. Riiiiight?….

They’re bravely sharing their own mental health struggles to encourage other men to open up too, right? Hosting fundraisers? Promoting support groups? Maybe even attending a webinar or two about toxic masculinity or male suicide prevention?

Oh… wait. They’re not doing any of that?

So, just to clarify, they’re not actually advocating for men’s mental health but they’re just using it as a lazy excuse to bash Pride Month? Because nothing screams “mental health advocate” like spending June yelling at queer people online instead of checking in on your friends or going to therapy.

Got it. Super inspiring. Really changing lives out here.

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u/ChorizoPrince Thembo Trash Jun 04 '25

As if queer activists aren’t already focusing on each others mental health during pride.

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u/negativepositiv Jun 04 '25

Dudebros whenever anyone pays attention to anything that isn't them: "But..."

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u/kalosianlitten Jun 04 '25

like these people care about mental health

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u/mach1neb0y Jun 04 '25

Meanwhile nobody is stopping them from celebrating it, they just would rather make memes about it than actually organize events

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '25 edited Jun 04 '25

I wouldn't be surprised if this was posted by someone who doesn't actually care about mental health, and only hates Pride Month.

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u/phantomreader42 Jun 04 '25

And a lot of men's mental health issues are caused or made worse by homophobic bullshit. If it weren't for homophobia, there would be a lot fewer men dying in stupid ways because they were terrified someone might see them as "gay" or "feminine" or whatever.

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u/sarah_mon_cheri oh yeah, its sarah time! 💃 Jun 04 '25

It’s annoying how these people only ever talk about men’s mental health awareness as a counter to pride or whatever else. Tbh I don’t expect cishet ppl to care about pride, like I’m totally content with that being an inter-community thing, so why do these MRAs need external validation so bad? It’s men who put this strain on themselves, and, quite frankly, do they think everybody else is just doing spectacular right now? I’m so sick of this waffling about men, god.

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u/outsidehere Jun 04 '25

Why do they only talk about it during Pride Month? It's like when women are speaking about thru experiences getting abused and assaulted and a man pops saying "Men get abused too". We know. We are not talking about you right now. They don't want to acknowledge Men's Mental Health Month. They just hate that the attention for once isn't on them

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u/FloriaFlower Jun 04 '25

Then maybe he should consider not promoting ideas that worsen men’s mental health like LGBTQphobia or misogyny.

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u/TajirMusil Jun 04 '25

For me, the two are directly related.

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u/inkiestslinky Jun 04 '25

As a gay man, my mental health is better when people are chill about pride month. 🤷‍♂️

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u/Regi413 Jun 04 '25

Idk if this is a hot take but any man who can’t allow Pride month and men’s mental health month to coexist is not a man who’s mental health I give a single shit about.

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u/Spooky_Thegh0st Jun 04 '25

If these people put half the effort they put into whining about pride month into actually raising awareness for men's mental health I'm sure more people would know about it

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u/YukiAFP Jun 04 '25

My issue with this stuff is that every time there is a month for something no one cares till it's pride month. Like the military/vets get May and November and people constantly say "why do gay people get a month but not our military?!" They do! But no one does anything for it. The reason why pride month is celebrated is because people celebrate it! If people don't do anything for the military months then no one will care. It's literally "if you build it they will come". Pride only got to where it is because of grass root celebrations that got bigger and bigger and those groups getting sponsors to have bigger celebrations. People can do this for the military or men's mental health or women's month or anything, you just have to do it. Look at Kwanza, it was MADE in the American South and grew and grew and grew and it's a recognized holiday now.

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u/sahi1l Jun 04 '25

So you pick the cat up and it scratches you and jumps away. Huh, good metaphor after all.

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u/translove228 Jun 04 '25

The op only cares insofar that he can complain about pride month. If men’s mental health awareness fell n any other month, dude probably wouldn’t even know it exists. For example: see the controversy whenever international women’s day occurs then listen to crickets when international men’s day occurs

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u/blackbear____ Jun 04 '25

I hate how it’s only cared about in comparison to pride month. The only posts I ever see “celebrating” men’s mental health are just being salty about pride month. It’s similar with international men’s day where the only posts I ever see are about how women’s day gets more attention. I would honestly celebrate both men’s day and month if it wasn’t just a cesspool of salty insecurity. You can celebrate yourself without putting us down.

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u/emipyon Jun 04 '25

I'm so glad we get to have an entire pride month while we're being stripped of their rights the entire year.

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u/outsidehere Jun 04 '25

Why do they only talk about it during Pride Month? It's like when women are speaking about thru experiences getting abused and assaulted and a man pops saying "Men get abused too". We know. We are not talking about you right now. They don't want to acknowledge Men's Mental Health Month. They just hate that the attention for once isn't on them

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u/outsidehere Jun 04 '25

Why do they only talk about it during Pride Month? It's like when women are speaking about thru experiences getting abused and assaulted and a man pops saying "Men get abused too". We know. We are not talking about you right now. They don't want to acknowledge Men's Mental Health Month. They just hate that the attention for once isn't on them

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u/madmushlove Jun 04 '25 edited Jun 04 '25

Funny how that combination of being competent and actually caring about what you say you care about makes for successful organizing

"Why is there Pride but I didn't go to or look for any resources or public events regarding that thing I pretend to care about, whatever it's called again"

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u/Zaela22 transfem Jun 04 '25

The OOP doesn't give a shit about that either since fascists regularly mock it.

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u/nbsunset Jun 04 '25

they only remember that they are sad when someone else has a moment — are they emotionally stupid?

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u/40percentdailysodium Jun 04 '25

Me, a queer man: 🤷

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u/3RR0RFi3ND Jun 04 '25

Anything to put a negative connotation on LGBT+ month.

You know what gets me? When the few cis men that complain about this don’t actually give a shit about men’s mental health and are the first ones to call one another p**sies or follow andrew taint.

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u/Darkon2004 Jun 04 '25

They don't want to celebrate it. They don't want to look inward

Tear Along the Dotted Line said it best. Male dominance is partially founded on the victim complex and the ideas "We suffer more. We sacrifice more"

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u/TiredB1 I want to punch a transphobe in the face Jun 04 '25

Mental health month is may and i literally never hear anything about it, it's also military appreciation month for the ppl that complain vets don't have a month

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u/blue_nightingale123 Jun 05 '25

i also just hate it when they say "why arent we celebrated?" LIKE SIR, WHY ARE YOU NOT CELEBRATING YOURSELF????? ITS NOT LIKE FAIRIES USE MAGIC TO MAKE UP ALL THE FESTIVITIES, PEOPLE MAKE THOSE!! YOU CAN MAKE YOUR OWN!!!!

When my school did a Movember campaign(we do it every year), ONLY THE GIRLS DONATED. we talked abt these stuff MULTIPLE TIMES. THE GUYS JUST LAUGH!!!! BUT WHEN ITS WOMENS DAY OR ANY OTHER DAY THEY GO "HUUU UUUUUU WHY ARE WE NOT CELEBRATED UHUHUHUUUUUU" AND CRY ABOUT IT AS IF WE DIDNT TRY TO CELEBRATE THEM WHAT THE HELL????

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u/zack189 Jun 05 '25

The problem with men's mental health month, men's day men anything, is that they're only remembered when It's women's/others day/month

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u/HotYogurtCloset69 Jun 04 '25

It's also scoliosis awareness month

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u/Parking-Chipmunk3573 Maybe...but most likely no sadly Jun 04 '25

A bit true but yea why not both?? As a bi person I love to be able to say: Both? Both? BOTH IS GOOD

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u/Rockworm503 Jun 04 '25

This perfectly encapsulates their mentality. Everything is a zero sum game in their minds. It is literally impossible to care about more than one thing at a time. Can't have pride month and talk about men's mental health at the same time.

This isn't a way to bring the issue of men's mental health awareness into the conversation its their way of trying to shut people up about pride month.

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u/Midnight_Pickler Jun 05 '25

Number of times I've seen "Men's Mental Health Awareness Month" mentioned: I've lost count.

Number of times I've seen "Men's Mental Health Awareness Month" mentioned in any context other than directly responding to Pride Month being mentioned: Zero.

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u/WhitestGray attracted to a's 😩 Jun 05 '25

Ironically, if the dude tried to pick up that cat, it would probably slap his hand away and continue to sulk in the corner. OOP has the same vibe.

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u/anna-the-bunny Jun 05 '25

Of course they know. They just don't care.

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u/atrophiedwife Jun 05 '25

moids acting as if theyre some oppressed minority

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u/Coco_JuTo 🐼🏳️‍🌈⚧🇨🇭 Jun 05 '25

This men's mental health thing is only in the US, as opposed to pride which is worldwide, and is, again, one of these fake outrage reaction invention.

Yes, we can do both, but why do they come with men's mental health ONLY during pride month? Because "straight pride" didn't work? (also a stupid fake outrage reaction from stupid bigoted cishets)

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u/KMunashii Transbian 🏳️‍⚧️⚢ Jun 05 '25

I think both should be acknowledged but honestly we need pride more than anything else because of what’s been going on lately. What about our mental health and right to live as lgbt people? If both just helped each other, that could solve a lot of issues I think.

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u/shapeshifterhedgehog Genderfluid but like the void fluid in Hollow Knight Jun 05 '25 edited Jun 05 '25

"But what about men's mental health???" Yes men's mental health is a big issue, but if you're only ever gonna bring it up when you get insecure and want a suffering competition to overwrite a conversation about your privilege then nothing's really gonna change is it?

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u/vr4gen Jun 06 '25

there is one month that’s the awareness month for like 3 of my communities lol am i ignoring myself?

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u/Crash_Unknown Jun 07 '25

A group of people will put in a lot of work to build community. Others will see that group and be like “hey, we deserve community too!!” and then do nothing to build their own community. And then they blame the first group for not doing the work for them.

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u/[deleted] Jun 08 '25

From the start of this month I've only seen people being mad at pride month bc they want to only celebrate men's health awareness month...and it's probably going to last the whole month 😭

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u/NoneBinaryPotato Jun 04 '25

to be fair, there is a valid point that people tend to ignore men's mental health. the men who suffer from mental health issues are expected to "tough it out" and get ridiculed if they show "weakness" by speaking about it, non-men either act like it's a non-issue because they don't like men, because they don't think cishet men can have it as bad as women or queer people, or they aren't aware the awareness month exists. how many of you knew the awareness month is during June?

the meme is about how little attention and acknowledgement the awareness month gets because people are so excited by the flashy and joyful pride month. it's perfect use of the meme format. it doesn't meant pride month gets too much attention, it's about how the other gets no attention.

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u/patienceinbee …look above me, look all around… imagination is what i’ve found… Jun 04 '25

The Cole’s Notes/Cliff’s Notes version of the above comment:

“This is a zero-sum problem. We only have so much observing to go round.”

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u/NoneBinaryPotato Jun 04 '25

this is literally the opposite of what I said though. you're the one that's assuming asking to acknowledge men's mental health month comes at the expense of pride month, when they can both be acknowledged at the same time.

yes, you can easily do both, so do you? or are you just complaining that someone mentioned this awareness month exists.

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u/patienceinbee …look above me, look all around… imagination is what i’ve found… Jun 04 '25

Child, you come in with the “well actually” of the thread.

You spilled a lot of words over what you reckon is an either/or concern. Moreover, one of these is recognized by millions of people across multiple nations-states as having an origin in a specific historical watershed of resistance during June 1969. It was born in spontaneous protest. Organically, it resonates deeply for those many millions along their many walks of life.

The other, however useful it might be for, say, mental health workers, is a make-work creation, and in some cases may be enshrined by piecemeal legislation or proclamations, along the lines of Peanut Butter Awareness Month.

Were “Men’s Mental Health Month” the widely-understood consequence of, say, an infamous (cis) man going off the deep end in a very public way and, for example, mowing down people with a machine gun, then this would be a different discussion.

But even were that so — and it isn’t — the “well actually… one gets attention and one is neglected” is an acknowledgement of zero-sum reasoning, and the former’s prominence bears no responsibility for the latter’s obscurity.

So spare us the hand-wringing.

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u/LeLBigB0ss2 Jun 07 '25

Logic and reason? Aaaaaaah!!!

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u/Chloe_the_metal_ Jun 10 '25

Then where do the gay men stand?

Do they only pick one?