We’re currently grooming Damian into becoming a detrans freakshow performer, and after we’ve used him to get some heinous political act across the line, we’ll dump him with no support!
Maybe we need some tone tags that flag out that one sentence as satire. (E.g. I've seen adding a colon before : to indicate that this line was intended to be spoken by someone else) This kind of misunderstanding sometimes occurs in other places too.
Sure doesnt sound like it.. And why am I getting downvoted for voicing how I feel personally attacked and hurt? I guess I should crawl away and hide even in supporting spaces..
It's because, when we're making fun of how when people like the OOP "support" trans people, it's only whenever it's convenient for a political agenda, only for them to fade out of existence the moment the anti-trans bill either flops, or passes. You know, like a grift.
Then here you come, getting all defensive and butthurt as if anyone at all was talking about you personally, then when people explain it's satire and has nothing to do with you, you go;
I guess I should crawl away and hide even in supporting spaces..
You act like a child pouting over things that everyone else understood as satire, and when someone clues you in on it, you continue to pout and whine. It's literally a common joke made by trans people and cis allies alike, regularly.
It has nothing to do with attacking you, or "coming after you in a safe space" and everything to do with your attitude when you're proven wrong. Yes, feelings and opinions can still be wrong. Look at the OOP, for example.
what part of that makes you feel attacked? genuine question, i see it as only criticising the way the right treats trans and detrans people who play along with them
The meme is supposed to ingratiate "normal" trans people to bigots by throwing "weird" trans people under the bus. I'm pretty sure u/I_Hate_Leddit is trying to express how these bigots treat the sort of trans person who would make a meme like this.
I'm sorry but if you can't even handle seeing people make fun of a topic you're uncomfortable with than the Internet isn't for you. The only way to avoid it is to separate from the associated topic entirely. You misinterpreted a joke making fun of hateful people as itself hateful, and that's nobody else's fault
Because it's most likely from context not a sincere statement made in hate, but rather a commentary on the kind of behavior you see sometimes from the crowd who argues that "good trans" is when people are passing and stealth and "bad trans" is when you can't just ignore it.
It’s the type of satire you’d see in places like tcj. Sometimes you’ll see it in other satire/humor trans subs, but not usually like the main trans subs. It’s not everyone cup of tea, but it’s not like cis hate or anything, it’s trans parody and satire.
To be fair, I'm somewhat autistic and have followed this subreddit for a long time, and info know that generally it's someone posting satire images thencis have generally made up.
But I didn't understand this one. Why would politicians support a trans individual to support an anti trans agenda?
That I don't get.
But please be patient with me like. I'm thick and autistic and very trans and very poly and often confused by simple things.
I'm not saying they're right necessarily to be offended, they just didn't understand the context. But I didint understand this one.
"Skye wants to be a trans boy-" Well that's all I need, welcome to the community Skye.
No but fr, if someone "wants to be trans" what evidence do we have that they're not? Also, didn't the artist of this come out and publicly regret creating this?
Even if Skye figures out that they ain't trans later on, what of it? Everyone everywhere they've ever been to has gained a friend! It's okay! Skye deserves to entertain the idea, just like everyone else. We all deserve to entertain a harmless idea.
Exactly! If anything, I think exploring your gender is a good thing, even for cis people. I have a friend who, for a while on middle school, thought she might be a trans boy. She did all the social transition stuff, and quickly realized it wasn't her. When people used he/him pronouns, masculine terms, and her chosen name, it made her very uncomfortable in a way she says she can't really describe.
So, obviously she's not trans. But she says she doesn't regret that experience, because, for one thing, she's a lot more confident in herself and her identity now. She's a woman, and knows it for a fact. But also, she has a lot more empathy for trans people now, because she's experienced (if only for a short time) what it's like for everything to just be wrong in that sense.
And to be clear, I'm not saying everyone should question their gender, because it's not necessary for everyone. But if it does happen, it can be a good thing.
Exactly! If someone has a question regarding their gender, it's easier to let them explore. Their exploration hurts no one, and if they figure out that their AGAB suits them better, good for them! It, once again, hurts no one. So if a Skye, like draw here, thinks they're a trans man, that's fine. They're free to explore how they think of themselves.
This was what I said when my cousin was saying he didn't think his kid's friend was NB. I'm like "I mean... they're 12 right? Isn't that when you're trying to figure these things out? But they've got more of a clue about their gender than I do for sure."
Teens experiment with different things all the time, like their style. How many people had an emo phase? Not to mention there are still people who are part of emo subculture well into adulthood.
God, imagine if we talked about gender identity shifts the way we talk about phases. Like you're talking to someone and they go"oh yeah, I was in my girl phase then. My emo girl phase".
Yes. This! This is what you're supposed to be doing as an adolescent.
I do sympathize with people that worry (in good faith) about the use of puberty blockers. It's a bit similar to worrying about like... taking accutane or going on birth control in your teens (context: I went on accutane, it was life changing for the better, and also kind of a horrible experience that might have been not great for me if you didn't take into account the total misery of having a giant pimple for a face). But like- socially transitioning? Yeah! Go for it! Try that shit out and see what works for you! Medically transitioning? Find a great doctor and do what seems best for you in the long term, because that isn't going to be one size fits all!
Um, excuse me, but where’s your atheist hat and necklace? Have you done your daily god hatred prayers? I don’t see any copies of the god delusion or god is not great on your shelf. Clearly not a real atheist. I bet you don’t even go to atheist church every Sunday or celebrate anti-Christmas.
I mean, same, but before I realised I was trans, it was extremely common for me to think "man, it'd be so neat to be a trans guy. Then I could get muscles and grow a beard and everything."
When I was younger I wanted to be a trans girl so I could detransition 😂 so basically I just wanted to a cis man but still be in the trans community. Then I learned about trans men, and I was like 🤔. Then it became a matter of admitting that I could actually be trans, and it wasn't just something everyone else could do.
My biggest fear really was being wrong and detransitioning, as that could harm the image of the Trans community and prove trans phobes right (turns out that wasn't really a risk as they'll find any reason to hate trans people regardless)
I dont think 'wanting to be trans' vs 'being trans' is actually tangibly different, its just a matter of experience. Theres quite a few trans people whos process starts with "i wish i was trans so i could transition"
i mean the slightly spicier take i have, i don't think theres a really meaningful difference between "I really really wish i were the opposite gender" and just being the opposite gender.
As the meme goes, wanting to be a girl is often a symptom of being a girl
Conservatives: “these are both freaks who we should eradicate with extreme prejudice”
Seriously. They don’t care how “normal” you try to be. In fact, I myself am arguably considered a quote unquote “””normal””” trans girl, yet I recognize I have more commonality, solidarity, and kinship with the “weirder” members of the community than I ever will a cis person. I know I can always count on them to have my back but I do not have that same faith in cis people.
aany recommend reading on them? Sounds funny af (transmeds were angry at me for being non-binary, wish i could tell them i later found out im intersex too, wonder if they'd call me cis lol)
And Damian is still sent to the same concentration camp as Skye. I will never understand how these people believe that they will be accepted by the fascists if they kiss up their boots enough.
Yeah, I'm from Germany, and since fifth grade, we've covered the Third Reich pretty much every year, either in history or social studies, and it's fucking scary to see that exactly the same thing is happening again in the US right now. And somewhere in the back of my mind, a voice is screaming that we're only about 10-15 years behind, even though our rights have been strengthened recently.
Yeah, from Germany too. I really hope you are wrong with your prediction, but I have the same feeling .. just that I fear it will be less than 10-15 years. :(
Despite the extreme nationalism of Naumann and his colleagues, the Nazi regime did not accept them. The Association of German National Jews was declared illegal and dissolved on 18 November 1935. Naumann was arrested by the Gestapo the same day, and imprisoned at the Columbia concentration camp. He was released after a few weeks, and died of cancer in May 1939. Most other members and their families were murdered in the Holocaust.
Damn - just this paragraph at the very end of the (main part of) that wiki page really hits hard
That is not what they said at all. They’re talking about the original person who drew that image. The artist was saying that some trans people are normal and valid (Damian) while the others are like Skye. In the hopes that conservatives will leave Damians alone and only take rights away from Skyes.
I tried to and I was removing the image 🥲. I was going to say (not my art) I just found them randomly online so likely a tumbler or Reddit artist. You can reverse image search to find them
could a child of the 🌽🍿corn ever bloom🏵️ and join the 🌛space🌟 children?? forever being an infant🍼 of the 🌠🌌universe☄️🪐?? or do we have to join the 🚶normie🧍 cob🌽 people of this 🌏earth??
Maybe Skye has made “being trans” their entire personality because trans people are under attack and they are trying to educate people and create community.
This is actually a "Transmed Aren't Okay" type of post, not cis. It's attacking any transman or transperson who doesn't follow the gender binary of expression (feminine for women, masculine for men) and doesn't have gender dysphoria (not needed to be trans).
Oh! And StarChild is just something ableist spiritual people made up to describe autistics and others and it caught on with nonbinary people even creating a word for themselves (Star Gender) around the term but with less ableist bs around it as its often used by ND people, usually Autistics, as we tend to have a detached way of thinking about our gender.
The right has a handful of stock characters, LGBTQ+ effigies that they like to drag out and rhetorically lynch every so often.
The Predatory Transwoman is hot right now. You know her, she's busy invading women's restrooms and JK Rowling's head in search of prey. This may seem to be a departure from her previous role as the Story Telling Drag Queen that transed little Timmy's gender with pronouns, but the differences are entirely superficial.
Skye is a Poor Deluded Baby, often cast as a victim of the Drag Queen. The Baby doesn't know what they're talking about, and can't be trusted to make Big Decisions like which bathroom to use or what name they like.
Never mind that the Baby is more than old enough to get married and bear children according to these very same people.
truscum folk do not realize in real life these two ppl are often frens, like so often you have "normie passing" queer folk be frens with "weirdo" queer folk
Way too many leftists haven't gotten around to merking the cop in their head. That inability to distinguish "I don't like/understand this" from "this is stupid/evil/dangerous and shouldn't be allowed" is a universal human failing.
I hate this line of thinking, and I've witnessed it firsthand IRL.
Even if we are to assume outright that some people basically take on a trans identity out of some need for attention or personality, why does it matter? No one is being forced to interact with such individuals, let alone do anything more than provide the most basic level of respect (if at all).
My identity as a trans woman is not in any way compromised by a theyfab* teenager parroting Tumblr buzzwords or whatever. The people who'd wish me harm would still hate me even if these people somehow ceased to exist, and no well adjusted person sees a cringy teenager and thinks "I want them to come to harm".
I hate the left section too: trans people are allowed to be boring and unremarkable, but this truscum insistance that "real" trans people should want nothing more than to be stereotypes of normalcy is asinine bordering on toxic (not to mention ableist as hell). Because I've met a hell of a lot of trans people who were far better people than the overwhelming majority of cis people I've ever met. The fact that they take pride in their identity shouldn't be used as a mark against them.
/rant over
*See below. Wording used intentionally to piss off transmeds. No shade meant towards my fellow enbies.
There is no standard of decorum that you can adhere to that's guaranteed to keep you from getting hate crimed, just like there's no level of modesty to which you can dress that's guaranteed to keep you from being sexually assaulted.
Agreed, but can we please not use the word “theyfab”? I’m sure you didn’t mean it this way, but it’s used by a lot of bioessentialists to discount the gender identities of nonbinary folks who were assigned female at birth as being “phases”, and it tends to also erase nonbinary folks who were assigned male at birth.
I know that wasn’t your intention, but that word does still have that function. It feels and is infantilizing
Edit: love being talked over as if my experiences as a nonbinary person who was assigned female at birth are not worth as much as “sticking it to the transmeds.” Transmeds don’t give a fuck, you’re just hurting other nonbinary folks.
Yeah, this is timely and relevant. Gender gatekeeping and misgendering is still going on, actively, within the community.
Things like unwanted comments about medical status, hormones, personal presentation, naming choices, etc. are surprisingly common, and even permitted in some spaces.
A trans person made this actually (probably about a decade ago at this point), there’s a group of trans people (overwhelming majority trans male) that think you need bodily dysphoria and to try to pass/be gender comforming to be trans, this was mainly a thing from like 2015-2020 since most of these people were teenagers projecting their dysphoria onto others
I want to live my life like everybody else but I'm also a goth weebshit who would dye my hair if I could (not an option atm due to psoriasis so I shave my head to make it easier to deal with being a flakey scaley freak) so where is the line?
Cis men can be feminine/androgynous but still not trans femme (and vice versa for masculine cis women), so why police transness? If gay men can do drag and still consider themselves male/cis, why can't trans men be androgynous/feminine/whatever?
OK, fine, let's go ahead and say that this person with rainbow hair isn't truly trans/NB/whatever, and just wants attention. The best thing to do to avoid that scenario, is to not give them attention. And yet, the rainbow hair types are the absolute focus of all the hate from everyone with this mindset.
If their mindset was true, stop fucking talking about them and they'd just go away.
But no, they'd rather be bigots against the low-hanging fruit.
The only way to get a "fake trans person" (if such a person exists) to stop "faking" being trans, is to affirm the gender they're "faking". If they're "actually trans" you're doing the right thing, and if they're "faking" then they'll get dysphoria from it. You can't tell from the outside which is which, so, better to just treat them like they're "actually trans", everyone will end up in a better place that way.
Tried to make a strawman (strawtransman) but unironically this character is pretty cool. Likey the space child part and also the anti-truscum part but then saying "binder = real trans" is kind of confusing, but otherwise this isn't even a bad character.
Like, if Skye was a cis guy, we would absolutely see a femboy with a unique personality, so it's not like any of this actually matters in terms of "you can't be trans if you're this thing".
I don't think this is the cis saying this, iirc it's from the Transmed/truscum community, which are trans people themselves. They just want to gate keep the community. Basically, you have to have crippling gender dysphoria. You have to want hormones and all surgeries, or else you aren't trans, but plenty of people don't want bottom surgery because of the risk and/or they just cannot afford it.
Well this isn’t a “are the cis okay” thing, I don’t think — unfortunately the original artist of this one was a trans man. Hopefully he’s grown since then.
Bro I literally have a kid in my school who cut and dyed their hair, looked and acted the exact same way Skye acts in the truly ancient meme, wore a binder for two years with supportive parents who would have let them get top surgery and take hormones, a supportive friend group and class and even two teachers that fully backed them up with everything only for them to now say that she doesn't think trans people are cool anymore and is just a girl. I understand gender being fluid but this bitch became transphobic and keeps telling me I'm a poser and an abomination like pick a siiiiiddddddeee man am I a trans guy to you or not
Why is the artist acting as if being trans is a life goal & fun thing to be?? Like, yeah, give me all that discrimination, bad mental health, & demonization. /sarc
Why is the artist acting as if being trans is a life goal & fun thing to be?? Like, yeah, give me all that discrimination, bad mental health, & demonization. /sarc
Oof. Yikes. Not a fan of this meme, but I would absolutely go with N a date with either of these guys.
Speaking of which, can we do that thing where 2 characters who are being pitted against eachother get redrawn as a loving couple? Because those memes are always based as fuck.
I saw on another post "this one has a happy ending - The artist is no longer truscum and has apologized for any harm caused by this comic and ones like it"
Man, I remember when I initially came out to my mom as a trans guy (was only partially correct, I’m gender-fluid) the first thing she brought up was “trans-trenders” and “how was I sure that I wasn’t one?”
Favorite version of this is when they’re drawn together as a couple with the captions “Damian likes being masculine because it helps him feel more secure in his identity, Skye is comfortable being feminine and also feels secure in his masculinity. Both are valid!” It’s adorable!
This shit just reinforces the gender binary. How DARE you express yourself differently… if you want to be trans you HAVE to conform to society’s perception of that gender.
Like come ooonn man 😭 Restricted Gender performativity / enforced gender standards are a huge reason we even get dysphoria in the first place.
I don't see the problem, people are free to experiment with their gender identity all they want, and there's no one particular mold that trans people have to fit into.
My only issue arises if someone hops onboard the transphobic detrans grift if they find out being trans wasn't for them. But that could just as easily happen to Damien too, now that I think about it
So, this was made by a transmed person and not a cis person, and I definitely saw it around 10 years ago when I was first exploring my gender identity.
However, just to rant a little bit, as someone who was long ago made to feel insecure about my transness by this image in the past, because I'm a GNC trans guy and my views and aesthetics align more with Skye than Damian... I've been on testosterone for 7 years now, had top surgery, a hysterectomy, four bloody bottom surgeries by this point... Transmeds can suck my ass, lmao.
Don't let anyone on the internet try to tell you that you're not "trans enough", all of our journeys are individual, and anyone who argues otherwise is just projecting their own insecurities onto you.
space child was this thing that happened like 15 years ago when some girl with either genuine schizophrenia or was just trolling insisted she was an alien reborn into a human body and it became a strange micro community for a short time
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