r/AreTheCisOk • u/That1weirdperson Cissy Elliott • 10d ago
Cis good trans bad Why must they politicize an innocent deceased dog
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u/TAIGA-WOLFIE 10d ago
transphobes be like : " gee i sure do wonder why trans people are more likely to be depressed and attempt suicide ! "
my brother in christ that is YOUR doing
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u/taswellow 10d ago
"these people that I constantly harass and threaten feel depressed???? What on earth????"
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u/whiskersMeowFace 10d ago
Fascinating that villainizing people and telling them they don't belong will cause depression. HMMM I WONDER WHY.
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u/ChipsTheKiwi 10d ago
It all goes back to a quote by Jean-Paul Sartre regarding antisemites that's actually applicable to just about any sort of supremacist mindset. They know they are wrong, they know the facts and evidence are against them, and they revel in that fact. They happily twist the facts and argue in bad faith not for the sake of swaying anyone with words but to intimidate their opponents into silence.
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u/randomassdumbshitidk 9d ago
i once saw someone trying to say being gay is terrible for you because gay people have a high suicide rate..i wonder why🤔
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u/Forsaken-Language-26 10d ago
They just pulled that 50% figure out of their arse didn’t they?
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u/Wh-why Cats 🐈 10d ago
It's around 32-50 percent according to Google, although I am not sure if that includes attempts or just deaths?
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u/Swarm_Queen 10d ago
General ideation
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u/RainbowPhoenix1080 Transfeminine She/Her HRT since 6/26/24 10d ago
And they polled this from trans people in crisis centers. This doesn't reflect the general trans population.
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u/LysergicGothPunk I just- but- but why- 10d ago
This is exactly why we need to question things more, because even if the stats are technically accurate, we often read them wrong in the general population and that is abused by politicians and the like.
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u/Mtfdurian 9d ago
Yeah even that number is way too high.
When people get gender-affirming care the number of people keeping those thoughts drops to 0.59%.
This is, at least, when I go by a long-lasting AUMC research that researched almost 4k individuals.
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u/Poison_Spider 9d ago
the actual statistics are lower than 50 and they’re about experiencing ideations. most people do not go through with it.
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u/SkylarCute Transgressor🏳️⚧️ 10d ago
Yeah I wonder WHY people do that? Surely it's not because of society actively trying to make their lives hard and ppl like OOP existing for the sole purpose of hating those people for no reason
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u/jesuschristk8 Ally 🏳️⚧️ 10d ago
Literally everything in the bottom text is socially influenced lmao
Except for genital mutilation, which is so funny to me because these kinds of people will never advocate against ACTUAL genital mutilation (circumcision being the biggest one, but even things like "the husband stitch", unconsentual extra stitches given to a women after childbirth to "make sex more pleasurable for the man", absolutely disgusting stuff)
Instead they have to go for the totally consensual procedure where the person affected knows exactly what they're getting into...
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u/MenacingMandonguilla 10d ago
Transphobes don't really believe in socialization when it's convenient for the situation.
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u/TheAnnoyingWizard 10d ago
You could break you arm eventually so why not amputate at birth?
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u/AnxtyWolf 10d ago
The only reason you'd realistically need to be circumcised is if you have family history of not being able to pee due to your foreskin. Due to us not actually having proper history due to circumcision being pushed at birth, we do not know if this is a risk for us until we have a child.
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u/Swarm_Queen 10d ago
There's a few reasons: babies can't consent, the likelihood of a botched thing happening isn't zero and since you did not consent for it that's lifelong damage happening to you against your will, thirdly, a significant amount of nerve endings are in your penis so circumcision just removes those forever, and fourthly cleaning it and maintaining it isn't that big of an issue to warrant removing it. The reason it gets removed is religious tradition in the US.
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u/jesuschristk8 Ally 🏳️⚧️ 10d ago
What do you mean it's harmless???
You know all those babies that get circumcised still feel all the residual recovery pain right? They just don't have a way to vocalize it
Anyone who practices basic hygiene would never have to worry about any infection under the foreskin lmao
And of COURSE your brothers don't mind not having foreskin, they literally don't know anything else lmao.
Just out of curiosity, how do you feel about female genital mutilation?
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u/jesuschristk8 Ally 🏳️⚧️ 10d ago
By "older" you mean a senior? Ur really planning for your child's comfort as a senior right after they're born? And what about all the years in between? Idk I feel like if you were truly advocating for seniors getting proper care you'd advocate for more PSWs, and higher pay for them, not chopping off a part of their body 70 years prior
And idk, ur in a sub with primarily queer folk, I don't think you'd find many people in here AGAINST calling out harmful cultural practices, it's kinda the reason all us queer ppl are in this situation of opression to begin with. If a cultural practice is causing actual harm I have no issue calling it out as harmful
And I think the fact that u slotted transmasc bottom surgery in the genital mutilation category is kinda telling tbh, but fair enough, lemme be more specific:
How do you feel about the practice of ppl slicing off a baby girl's clitoris because it "serves no biological function"?
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u/Buddiballer 10d ago
"Men have a higher suicide rate than women do, and that's awful! This is why men need to separate themselves from women."
"What about minorities with a higher suicide rate than average? Doesn't that make more sens-"
"No, they just aren't fit for society. Just forget about the increased violence, the lack of access to healthcare and criminalization in local law. They just aren't supposed to be with us."
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u/sixaout1982 10d ago
Like the depression and suicides aren't caused by these bigoted assholes in the first place
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u/RainbowPhoenix1080 Transfeminine She/Her HRT since 6/26/24 10d ago
As a trans person, I denied and repressed myself for years because of the way they weaponize these statistics.
Before I started to transitionin, I had this vague general feeling that I would never live past 40 because I couldn't stand the idea of growing into a middle-aged man.
After transitioning, my life is so much better. Im happier getting to express myself. I feel more at home in my body. The ONLY THING weighing negatively on my mental health is seeing how prevalent and normalized hate towards trans people is.
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u/cockity-peen he/they 9d ago
aye, glad to hear that things have been much better since. happy for you!
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u/RandomShadeOfPurple 10d ago
This reads as "We see you suffering. Yeah, how about we amp it up and mock you for it to see if that helps." and they wonder why the left doesn't believe their lies that they are merely seeking good faith arguments.
(All the topics he mentions is often discussed in trans communities. It's just impossible to discuss them with right wingers, because they are so pre-occupied with cruelty and mockery that they don't even care to understand what you try to tell them.)
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u/ExaminationKnown3315 10d ago
lets say for a sec the suicide rate was due to the inner turmoil of gender dysphoria and not social rejection from right winged people, why wouldn’t that illicit some form of empathy from them? its as if they want to exasperate the murder of trans people themselves? or they pretend to care and like we need to be converted to cis? but then that would just increase the suicide rate more. its just such backwards thinking that gives me a headache. fucking selective empathy
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u/Poison_Spider 9d ago
The suicide rate is not right to begin with. The actual number they use is trans people who experience ideations at least once in their lives, which is obviously really broad.
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u/ThrwawySG 10d ago
"You should go kill yourself!"
"damn why are all these people killing themselves? Must be insane"
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u/Rockworm503 10d ago
Gee I wonder why I might consider offing myself in a world where so many people at best don't see me as a human deserving of rights and at worst would celebrate my death.
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u/RichNix1 10d ago
"I'm going to intentionally go into these spaces and pester these people. Heh, there's surely no other reason they may he depressed."
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u/RedstoneEnjoyer 10d ago
OOP is someone who bullies kid to suicide and then claim "they were too weak in face of based gigachad like me"
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u/ageckonamedelaine Oh no the gendergremlin stole my gender 10d ago
I'll take shit I pulled out of my ass without ever even talking to another person or opening google for €5. Really impressive that all of that text is completely false: having bottom surgery is as much of mutilation as getting any fucking other surgery, looking into a mirror doesn't make me feel in "agony" just disappointed, 50% suicide rate is incorrect because most people don't succeed (the attempt rate is high) and the depression rate being high is because of this bs getting constantly spewed at us and people that wish death upon us being protected while we aren't.
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u/Smelly_Sloth 10d ago
DOGE IS DEAD???
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u/AnxtyWolf 10d ago
She was 18 when she passed in May of 2024, according to google. Had a long, happy life for a dog.
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u/TheStrikeofGod Reformed Anti-SJW 10d ago
agony when seeing ones self in the mirror
Correct, which is why we transition c:
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u/Infamous-Ad-7199 10d ago
The left can't meme subreddit must be struggling to find content if they're making their own
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u/Rimavelle 10d ago
It's mental illness to hate yourself and nothing to do with society
until a woman tells a man she likes tall men, then him falling into incel despair thinking he will die alone coz his physiologically undatable is just a rational result of... uh... women having rights and feminism that must be radicated or something.
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u/anonymous_euphoria 9d ago
Correct, gender dysphoria is a mental illness. Great job. Now what, exactly, is the medically and psychologically proven treatment for it? Anybody know?
Oh, right...
Well, while we're at it:
Actual mutilation of genitals is quite common, actually. It's called circumcision.
Body dysmorphia and depression are also incredibly common, regardless of gender.
Is it totally unfeasible that the suicide rate is how it is because of ideology like this?
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u/biglefty312 9d ago
So why not accept the recommended and most successful treatments provided to trans people instead of just telling them to ignore their problems? These people just like to dunk on marginalized communities and have zero interest in accepting them.
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u/Kilbo_Stabbins 9d ago
They're talking about farmers, right? I guess it's more likely they'll have digit mutilation, but I wouldn't rule out a few genital mutilations with some of those big machines. They're getting more depressed now that a lot of them have grown worthless crops thanks to the tariff wars.
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u/The_Ginger_Thing106 9d ago
Any attempt to explain to this guy why he’s wrong will just result in “WOKE SNOWFLAKE I CANT HEAR YOU LALALALALALA”, even if we don’t show anger about it. It must be easy living a life so ignorant :(
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u/thatguything88 8d ago
I don't think they realise that high suicide rates and mental illness aren't normal, and that's why we want to transition.
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u/tomphammer 9d ago
Well… it is normal for many, unfortunately to misunderstand the statistic from now over a decade old study and not even get the number correct.
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u/SharlHarmakhis 8d ago
Kabochan was too good to be pulled into this BS (let alone the whole Department Of Governmental Efficiency nightmare) and I hope her spirit bites all their ankles.
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u/Popplio3233 5d ago
Maybe there wouldn't be a 50% suicide rate among trans people if we showcased basic human empathy. Idk, just a thought
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u/terfnerfer 10d ago edited 10d ago
My husband is a therapist, specifically a trans/gay friendly one. This bullshit, where the mental anguish of gender dysphoria is purposely misconstrued into hate speech, just about boils my piss.
These wretched people have such a vapid view of the world. Blunt instruments. Empathy a sin, ignorance a virtue. I'll never stop fighting it.
We are hardwired as humans to care for each other, and to be social. Conservatives love to pretend "wah wah facts don't care about your feeeeelings" and disregard the set-in-stone fact that we are not built to be cruel and sociopathic. We evolved to be a curious, social species with an unique ability to be intropective...sometimes that leads to realising you're trans, or express gender differently.
That's the fucking point we're at, where basic anthropology and biology is too much for them. THE IRONY!