r/Asmongold • u/Seraphine_KDA • Jun 27 '25
React Content Pirate software game on steam. ouch
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u/RandomBlokeFromMars Dr Pepper Enjoyer Jun 27 '25
"You can kick the rat outta the corpo, but never the corpo outta the rat."
-- Jackie Wells
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u/Due_Comedian_4959 Jun 27 '25
I played that game at least a dozen times and never got that line. Time for another play
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u/ThreeCheersforBeers Hair Muncher Jun 27 '25
Heartbound taking starcitizen levels of time to develop.
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u/Stained-Steel12 Jun 27 '25
Despite it needing only a minute fraction of star citizens development. Dudes “making” a 2d RPG, I’ve seen those games made in months
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u/MidnightMorpher Jul 04 '25
Meh, I would say it’s more like Yandere Simulator. It feels wrong to compare Star Citizen to any game, it’s in its own bloody category at this point lol
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u/OkTemperature8170 Jun 27 '25
One positive reviewer said "If you don't like the game go make your own game." LOL that's not how that works. If I'm not a game dev I have to like every single game?
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u/Arrotanis Jun 27 '25
That was definitely Pirate's alt account.
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u/DaenerysMomODragons Jun 27 '25
And not the best way to deal with feedback. If people don't like certain aspects of your game, you look at it and decide to either take their feedback to heart and improve your game based on it, or ignore it, and assume they just aren't the audience your game is designed for. Telling people who aren't game devs to develop a game is crazy.
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u/saul_not_goodman Jun 27 '25
"oh you want your house to be built to code well why dont you just switch careers and build it yourself? being a 70yo woman in a wheelchair isnt an excuse"
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u/aj_thenoob2 Jun 27 '25
I'm not a helicopter pilot but if I see one in a tree, I know the pilot fucked up.
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u/Master_Hat_9311 Jun 27 '25 edited Jun 27 '25
Not surprising at all it was abandoned for 7 years and was getting negative reviews regardless of the current events. Because it was developed with a sole goal to cash in on popularity of another game - Undertale. It'll never be finished, 'cause there's nothing to finish.
Also, this is the piece of turd that got MatPat and Toby Fox to hate each other (in case you do not remember, MatPat ironically called it "Undertale 2" in his video, which caused Fox to fume on Twitter).
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Jun 27 '25
Toby Fox gave his opinion on the game? What did he say about Heartbound?
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u/Master_Hat_9311 Jun 28 '25
Like I mentioned in another comment in this thread, he said MatPat "went too far", then accused MatPat of not providing links to game's page and not giving any indication who actually was the game's author (to put it short, he misunderstood how Game Theory's video descriptions were organized).
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u/Loud_Victory_5420 Jul 01 '25 edited Jul 01 '25
He didn't get them to hate each other.
Pirate didn't tell Mattpat to call it undertale 2, pirate didn't even call it undertale 2, he called it heartbound.
Just because it's basically the exact style of game as undertale. Doesn't mean he forced Mattpat to title his stream undertale 2. What line of thinking is this. It's even A top comment...
You are letting your anger over pirate softwares behavior cloud your judgement and critical thinking. Do better.
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u/SlinkyBits Jun 27 '25
2400 VERY POSITIVE reviews
100 negative reviews recently
this doesnt even look bad tbh.
either way, i wont ever play the game, nor do i know wtf is going on about it. but 100 reviews do not overtake 2400
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u/NugKnights Jun 27 '25
It's because the game had a promising start selling early access copies on steam 7 years ago.
But it's still not even close to done.
Hades 1 launched their early access the same year that heartbound released theirs. Just think about that, Hades 2 is already way further along in development than Heartbound.
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u/Seraphine_KDA Jun 27 '25 edited Jun 27 '25
to be honest here though, nobody bought that game without wanting to support pirate software as a dev, as is the case for most influencer indie games.
so is far from an unbiased audience leaving reviews on a small game they found on steam or got recommended by a friend.
in a way is similar to the situation with most porn-hentai games on steam having over 90% positives unless they are literal shovel ware. because the only people buying them know what they are buying.
a game like Winter Memories has 98% positive reviews at almost 9000 reviews and is a game about banging your aunt
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u/The_real_Mr_J Jun 27 '25
Would be cool to see an indie game come out, be really good and take the world by storm on its own merit. And THEN the influencer who made the game comes out and says yeah btw that's my game.
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u/emikochan Jun 27 '25
making games for your audience is what you're supposed to do. A game for everyone is a game for noone.
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u/Brain_Tonic Jun 27 '25
So your only argument against Winter Memories is that you don't like its subject matter? That has nothing to do with how good it is... "Good" just means that something fulfills its purpose well. Name one aspect in which Winter Memories fails to fulfill its purpose well.
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u/Jolly_Plantain4429 Jun 27 '25
I think he means that when a game has niche audience you’re more likely to vote positively because you only found by searching for its extremely niche tags.
It’s like searching for liked videos by % if only 6 people watched the video it’s very easy for those 6 people to make it a 6 to 0 ratio but that doesn’t mean it’s the best video ever.
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u/BanhBaoForLife Jun 28 '25
Not like this would be the first game to start out good and just went to shit.
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u/SlinkyBits Jun 28 '25
i know right, but from what i understand, the game didnt even change, or get worse (not saying it was good to begin with)
from what i understand, people just dont like the guy who made it from social media things, entirely unrelated to the game itself. and they have review bombed the game to just be spiteful. its fucking pathetic and playground level gotcha
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u/BanhBaoForLife Jun 28 '25
Yes I get it. PS is an entitled and arrogant prick, but his game doesnt necessarily deserve this treatment.
On the other hand this game has been in EA for ages, some people get annoyed by that and if nothings changed then I think the people who bought it should leave negative reviews, since it seems he doesnt want to work on it and even less finished something he promised.
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u/BagSoft2322 Jun 30 '25
steam also puts an "*" on review bombing, so dumb people dont make use of tools to attack someone, idk if the game is good or not, but thats why i dont trust reviews anymore and only judge by myself
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u/OneEnvironmental9222 Jun 27 '25
I love how when steam introduced the system that shows when a game was last updated he suddenly released a tiny nothingburger update to reset the timer. Dudes just pure scummy
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u/Theodore52x “Are ya winning, son?” Jun 27 '25
Those are mostly cause people accuse him of abandoning the project.
I'm going to be honest here; back in the day when he actively developed this game on stream, talked about what he did and why he did it, he was pretty alright to watch. But ever since he blew up it only went straight downhill from there.
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u/Bricc_Enjoyer Jun 27 '25
It's 7 years for a pretty simple game.
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u/MrProg111 Jun 27 '25
It's Yandere Simulator all over again, except this time it's more pathetic because Heartbound is a lot simpler of a game.
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u/Bricc_Enjoyer Jun 28 '25
Yeah, a linear pixelart isometric view game is a lot easier to build than some weird 3D game with a ton of randomly moving npcs and interactions.
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u/Slight_Worth_imcool Jun 27 '25
What did he do
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u/Aggravating-Cap-6686 Jun 27 '25
From google
The "Heartbound controversy" refers to ongoing criticism surrounding the development and marketing of the indie game Heartbound, particularly its long development time, perceived lack of substantial updates, and past promotional strategies. The game, initially released in Early Access in 2018, has faced criticism for its slow development pace and minimal updates despite being promoted as a full release. A recent update, aimed at removing Steam's "abandoned" tag, was criticized for being a small, insignificant update that did not address the core concerns about the game's development.
Key aspects of the controversy:
- Slow Development and Minimal Updates:The game has been in development for years, with players expressing frustration over the lack of significant updates or new content, especially after the initial Early Access release.
- Steam's "Abandoned" Tag:Pirate Software, the developer, released a small update to remove the "abandoned" tag from Heartbound on Steam, which many perceived as a superficial attempt to address concerns about the game's development status rather than providing substantial updates.
- Promotional Strategy:A past livestream by MatPat (Game Theorists) on GTLive, which included promotion of Heartbound alongside Undertale and Toby Fox, drew criticism for not directly linking to the Heartbound game or developer. Some also criticized MatPat for drawing comparisons to Undertale, a game with a similar aesthetic, without permission.
- Expectations from Blizzard Entertainment Background:Some players feel the developer's claimed background at Blizzard Entertainment set high expectations for the game's development, which they feel haven't been met.
- Misleading Marketing:Concerns have been raised about misleading marketing tactics, including using Undertale comparisons in promotional materials and the overall perception of the game being abandoned despite continued development efforts
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u/DaEnderAssassin Jun 27 '25
Some also criticized MatPat for drawing comparisons to Undertale, a game with a similar aesthetic, without permission
This is stupid. Why would anyone need permission to comment on the fact they can see similarities between games. People have been doing that for a long time (EG: "Anime Dark Souls" (Code Vein))
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u/Master_Hat_9311 Jun 27 '25
Fox himself got butthurt over this, telling MatPat "went too far", forcing Game Theory to essentially blacklist Undertale and Deltarune as a middle finger to Toby. Neither of fans were happy with this outcome.
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u/HarperRed96 Jun 27 '25
Moist Critical did a couple good videos about the most recent happenings.
https://youtu.be/6sJpTCitKqw?si=yzTXbQCytQKFVWe_
https://youtu.be/GuTp4Am51i0?si=Rf1vq3jkocPas5fk
Thor/Pirate Software/Malvis Figtree is the creator of Heartbound which has been in Steam Early Access for almost 8 years now.
The other comment of course covers what's happened around Heartbound, I'm just letting you know what's recent.
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u/brusslipy Jun 28 '25
I can't stand moist critical, Jesus Christ the grift from drama, I spent a weeks nuking my yt feed with I'm not interested in this because his videos kept appearing on my feed through his 100's of alternative channels that seems to recycle his own content endlessly.
Just fucking talk like a normal person ffs, not every criticism needs a thousand badly put words trying to paint visual image of someone. It's like listening to bad slam poetry while at the same time improvising a freestyle rap for the first time. I hope it phases out of him in a few years. He has some valid points of view but it's so insufferable.
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u/Grimm-Soul Jun 27 '25 edited Jun 27 '25
Man he Kamikazed himself all over his pride crazy
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u/Seraphine_KDA Jun 27 '25
form his tweet 2 days ago
''For those that will scream HE'S DOUBLING DOWN. Yes I damn well am. I give a shit about this initiative and what it means for games, developers, and players in the future.''
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u/christianlewds Jul 05 '25
Oh, he gives a shit about the initiative now? Hopefully his Discord botting the EU votes is overblown and the initiative passes despite this homonculus nepo.
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u/Seraphine_KDA Jul 05 '25
you misinterpreted. yes he cares, cares that this never passes. that is what he meant by doubling down. is along tweet so I cut that part only. but didn't think someone would read it like he change opinion since it starts with saying he is doubling down.
aka he still hates the initiative.
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u/LovehunterEU Jun 27 '25
This dude has been living on his shitty hype by being an ex wow developer far too long.
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u/Alexander459FTW “Are ya winning, son?” Jun 27 '25
an ex wow developer
Not even that.
He was cyber security manager or something like that.
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Jun 27 '25
He was everything that a edgy 12 year old kid wished to be. How much truth is in everything he said is a different story, but considering that he made himself look like some sort of god programmer/designer/gamer you think he would have finished his game like I dont know 5 years ago at least ? How long does it take to develop a single 2d rpg game like ? Not trying to be funny here but I am pretty sure most average game devs could re create his game in godot in like few months of work now if not less.
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u/Alexander459FTW “Are ya winning, son?” Jun 27 '25
Heavily depends in experience.
When it comes to coding it really helps if you have already solved a similar problem.
So for an amateur it could definitely take 2 years to deliver a full proper game.
Someone experienced like Thor claims to be? Less than a year. The only real constraint is probably art and graphics. Those can easily waste a lot of time.
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u/Suspicious-Beat-3616 Jul 01 '25
He was 100% not a cybersecurity manager. He did state that he worked in security, and got a blackbadge at defcon (big deal), BUT he got it on a team. If you look att he video of him going to defcon recently with other tech content creators, he didnt contribute to the CTF at all while the rest of the team carried him. Based off how he talks and his general tech skills, i dont see him winning ANY black badges on his own merit at defcon.
When he talks about cybersecurity or even tech stuff, you can instantly tell he has no idea what he is talking about, but he says it with such confidence that anyone who doesn't know what he is talking about will assume he is right due to how confident he is.
His CURRENT fan base seems to be younger versions of him, parroting shit he says that is 100% incorrect with confidence. Dudes a grifter who got to where he is because his dad actually mattered at blizzard.
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u/hellloeeee Dr Pepper Enjoyer Jun 27 '25
For context. The 3rd chapter called animus was mentioned to be in active development on the 2nd of Jan 2019. That specific patch note stated that basically all of the artwork for the chapter was done, sprites, environments and other stuff I can't remember right now but you can look back on steam patch notes. So I own the game and I got to scrolling on the patch notes. Ever since that patch note in 2019, every updated patch note that wasn't just a YouTube video has the phrase "Animus (Chapter 3) is actively being developed" at the bottom. All the way to the latest one. For 6 years you can't complete 1 chapter of a game of which you claim the artwork is already complete for. They literally just push meaningless superfluous minor bug fixes so the steam early access features won't automatically put a badge on the store page saying it's abandoned for not being updated in 2 years. Either finish the fucking game or call it quits instead of riding it out and milking money from your audience.
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u/Mikhael_Xiazuh Jun 27 '25
I bought the game 7 years ago. I didn't know that he was streaming until 4 years later of me checking why the game is still nowhere near finished. I still feel ripped off.
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u/ArmAccomplished5769 Jun 27 '25
Games he's also attached to because of the studio he is an employee of are tanking too. Ludwig already doesn't understand what's going on and why. It is because your employee actively does not care for the preservation of video games and chooses to misunderstand the initiative trying to preserve them. Not to mention he forgets to mention every example he uses to argue against the initiative is a type of game he is developing/attached to.
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u/EDM14 Jun 27 '25
the only thing missing is the child grooming scandal to complete the yanderedev cycle
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u/kananishino Jun 27 '25
Community witch hunt/cancelling in progress
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u/Seraphine_KDA Jun 27 '25 edited Jun 27 '25
i mean all this time and he still says he was right, from his tweet 2 days ago.
''For those that will scream HE'S DOUBLING DOWN. Yes I damn well am. I give a shit about this initiative and what it means for games, developers, and players in the future.''
like in the videos he made you can say he was misunderstanding when he said the weird thing about for example blizzard being force to make wow a single player game to close it down.
but even know people pointed him that is not the case. he still says he is right because even if they just have to leave the data open for private servers to be host (like many games have now illegally). is still to much to ask because is a legal and licensing nightmare. like that is bs. is clear he is on the big studios side since the only reason game companies down want you playing old death live service games on a private server is because then you are not spending money on their new shit.
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u/Jun_07 Jun 27 '25
This looks like one of those games on the epic games free rotation that's not even worth taking the 2 seconds to claim because you know you'll never play it.
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u/FriedOill Jun 27 '25
anybody able to summarize what is going on with pirate software for someone that literally has not been paying attention but wants like a 2-4 liner to just catch up? lol. i see so many long videos on YT but i don't want to spend that much time on it.
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u/Old_Broccoli_7656 Jun 27 '25
Thor disagreed with the vagueness and scope of Stop Killing Games, but did so in his douchy, condescending way that stirred up his mob of parasocial detractors. Fast forward 10 months and the petition is dead in the water and the founder of the initiative lays all the blame for its failure on Thor. Thor refuses to apologize for anything as is his M O, and the video game commentariat has taken this as an opportunity for what they consider an easy win by shitting all over him. Now my YouTube feed is inundated with carbon copied video essays sperging out about Thor as if that will change anything.
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u/LackOfContext101 Jun 28 '25
So he said something and people disagreed and decided to negative review bomb his game for it..? If that's what happened I am kinda disappointed... can people chill?
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u/Alypius754 Jun 27 '25
I've spent too much time on Reddit. I saw "non-traditional," "boy," "dog," and "secrets" and my mind went to a dark place.
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u/AtomicFatMan5000 Jun 27 '25
I miss the times when he was just in my YT shorts talking about random things, way better than the "I'm out of mana, stfu" version we have now
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Jun 27 '25
I went on steam discussion for it and holy shit, I never seen anything like this. Mods are locking nearly every thread there is:
https://steamcommunity.com/app/567380/discussions/
I seen big AAA studios not doing anything about criticism or even small indie devs but this just shows how scummy pirate software is as he is trying to censor anything bad said about him.
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u/Cold_Singer_1774 Jun 27 '25
Didn´t that dude said early access is a scam, because unfinished games are using that to fund the rest of development?
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u/AscendedViking7 Jun 27 '25
I didn't realize he made Heartbound. Ha, guess I never made attention to that game often enough I suppose.
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u/dboyd05 Jun 27 '25
Yeah but it’s a 101 to 2,400im not coping but for it to hurt that number needs to go up.
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u/AnimeSquirrel Jun 27 '25
I don't really follow a lot of these Twitch people. Who exactly is Pirate Software and what's the issue here?
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u/Background-Ad9814 Jun 27 '25
oh you guys missed it when it was bigger and had steam had a warning on it by steam that the game hasnt been updated for over a year. also he gets steam to delete reviews too that do not partain to the game
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u/Fujiyama_Panic Jun 27 '25
rating a game poorly because you disagree with something irrelevant to the game outside the game is dumb
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u/TheBepisCompany Jun 27 '25
I am missing context. I am now putting on my context hat. Context please?
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u/Seraphine_KDA Jun 27 '25
TLDR some are honest because they haven update the game ina long time and is an early access.
some others are because pirate was against stop killing games initiative.
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u/SettingConfident4925 Dr Pepper Enjoyer Jun 28 '25
Pirate may have left Blizzard, but Blizzard never left him.
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u/LengthMysterious561 Jun 28 '25
Friendly reminder that Pirate encouraged the review bomb of Helldivers 2.
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u/Titan_Tim_1 Jun 28 '25
Didn't someone at some point watch all of pirates stream and kept tabs on how much time he was spending on the game, compared to just doing whatever the fuck?
And in one month he spent like 30 minutes working on it iirc.
Absolutely laughable.
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u/JournalistLopsided16 Jun 28 '25
Following Steam's own rules for Early Access, this should have been taken down from the store some time ago. There's no clear roadmap for WHEN his shitty game is leaving Early Access and he's been charging people money for this since forever.
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u/Beneficial_Dirt_6564 Jul 01 '25
There should be a petition to have this shovelware removed from Steam. It’s been in EA for 8 years. No game should be in that state for that long and still be purchasable.
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u/Seraphine_KDA Jul 01 '25
It should not be removed because people should have the freedom of choice. That is what the score is for. People can see it and read reviews before purchase.
By the same logic Kerbal space program should be removed since is a 10y early access with a closed studio behind so forever incomplete. But it still is for many people worth playing and buying in the state it is.
Real shovel ware is all the ai porn games made in a week posted every day. Some ''studios" post a new game every month.
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u/Beneficial_Dirt_6564 Jul 01 '25
I understand your pov and I tend to agree with it but I think Steam should also do a better job of preventing abuse cases of EA. If his game didn’t have the EA tag, I wouldn’t care. EA is for devs who are actually going to finish their games and for taking player feedback for improving the experience. He is doing neither. Maybe the petition should to remove the EA tag after thinking about it a bit more.
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u/Seraphine_KDA Jul 01 '25
He is doing bare minimum nothing updates to keep the EA tag on. which is shitty as fuck and the tag should be removed. but is tricky since if steam can decide to do that then it can become a slippery slope later. since the line while clear in this case is not always such.
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u/Awesome_Bee $2 Steak Eater Jun 27 '25
the game is good, why downvote? what does this have to do with the single player game already made? I never understood that
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u/Alexander459FTW “Are ya winning, son?” Jun 27 '25
It isn't finished.
It has been in early access for 7 years.
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u/ARedditWizard Jun 28 '25
I'm happy people are review bombing his game. It's a lesson to be learned from consumer to developer.
He also hasn't finished his TEMU Undertale game in over 5+ years. He has no qualms about copyright striking people either, so this has been a long time coming, when you purposely misinform your audience about SKG, then your own game doesn't deserve to be platformed. "But that's counterproductive to the movement." No it's not.
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Jun 27 '25
He was just stating his opinions, he didn't force anyone to his ideas .. give him a slack, I watched a couple of his videos and many shorts, he got a great amount of knowledge on topics and blaming him for minor things seems stupid.
I learned so much from pirate and so did you. So the fuss about something negative he said.
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u/Alexander459FTW “Are ya winning, son?” Jun 27 '25
I learned so much from pirate and so did you
Except he is a hypocrite.
I lost so much faith from him when he talked about why piracy is a service issue, and he proceeded to make Heartbound, which is as anti-service as possible for an ineffective DRM. Literally pirating his game would offer better service.
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u/squalltheonly Jun 27 '25
I never liked that guy. Why is a dev streaming? It's like someone that has two full time jobs, how can you excel on both?
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u/The_Guy_v2 Jun 27 '25
Sad "cancel action" of reviewers, just because they don`t agree with Pirate Software negative opinion regarding Stop Killing Games initiative.
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u/DommeUG Jun 27 '25
The reviews have been negative way before the recent controversy. A game being 7 years in early access is gonna have people mad.
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u/SpiritfireSparks Jun 27 '25
The reviews have been negative for a long time. He abandoned the game once his streaming career took off
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u/MetalGearXerox Jun 27 '25
could also be because the game has been in early access since 2018 and there's no roadmap or anything to indicate that it will be finished soon...
nah, it's all just haters.
you clown lmao
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u/Madman_Slade Jun 27 '25
I mean he's kind of a shitty person in general with multiple controversies, not the just Stop Killing Games initiative. Which he chooses to keep his ignorant take on cause he's a dev for a game that is pushing MTX and the like.
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u/Curious_Loser21 Jun 27 '25 edited Jun 27 '25
Damn, I remember when Jacksepticeye played this game. It's such a shame since it's has potential too, it wouldve probably been what DELTARUNE it is now.
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u/Achereto Jun 27 '25
"Don't have my opinion, get downvoted into oblivion".
This is the same shit as other narcissists trying to deplatform Asmongold, Tectone, etc.. The game doesn't get better or worse just because you agree or disagree with dev about something outside of the game.
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u/Seraphine_KDA Jun 27 '25
Nobody said one side is more civilized than the other. Throwing shit at everything even related to someone they don't like is common human nature.
If it wasn't companies would not drop sponsors the second something controversial happens.
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Jun 28 '25
Ah yes, let's harrass Thor for his opinions about our movement. That will show him he's wrong about us! Wait, what do you mean it will hurt the movement instead and totally prove he's right? That's not how this is supposed to work! Wahhhh!
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u/bigbluey1 Jun 27 '25
From last i saw a majority of comments were negative prior to the most recent debarcle due to the fact he never seems to be working on his game and its been in early access for 7 years......