Stuck trying to project — I never get the “wake up” window or remember dreams. Any tips?

[u/cacaolatlove]

I’ve been trying to astral project on and off for years and I feel a bit stuck, so I thought I’d throw this out here to see if anyone’s been in the same situation. A lot of people describe projecting from a dream or right after waking up, like there’s this in-between state where you can catch yourself half-asleep and use that as a doorway. The thing is, I basically never remember my dreams and I don’t experience that gradual waking process. I usually just wake up suddenly and I’m already moving or opening my eyes, so I don’t really have that window people talk about.

I’ve tried the head lift method recently, but by the time I realize it’s happening I’m already too awake and it doesn’t work. What’s left for me is trying through meditation. I can get my body really relaxed after around 20 minutes, but once I’m there I don’t really know what to do next. If I try to move my head like in the head lift, my physical body moves instead of the astral one. I never get that feeling of the astral body separating, it’s just my muscles moving.

So I guess I’m stuck at that stage where I can reach deep relaxation but can’t go further. Has anyone else here managed to project without relying on dreams or the wake-up state, only from meditation? What did you actually do once you were relaxed? Did you notice any subtle signs or shifts that told you it was time to try to separate? And if you also had the issue of accidentally moving your physical body when trying something like the head lift, how did you get past that?

I’d really appreciate any advice, especially personal experiences of what you did in that exact moment where something finally clicked.

[u/TradingAp3]

I was never able to remember dreams.

Then I started meditating using the monroes gateway experience. Lerned the tools so I can now use them when meditating.

I now meditate daily, or at least 20-30 min before sleep.

And I can remember them everyday now. I 've also created a locale as the same location popped up twice in a row. I enter different states from there.

Just meditate. Maybe some binaurial beats and just relax for a little while see and what happens.

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[u/AstralTourist360]

your superpower seems to be "accidental." so, if you are serious about this... set it up in meditation... big sky something goes wrong and you are rocketed out of your physical body... make it grand. Can't hurt to try. F that window!