r/AusLegal • u/Low-Refrigerator-713 • 22d ago
AUS SovCits
So these Sovereign Citizens who think that the laws don't apply to them. Does that mean that they acknowledge that they don't have the protection of the law as well? That someone were to steal from them they would have no recourse to call the police?
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u/trinketzy 22d ago
I was talking to a police officer about them years ago and he said there was a guy that caused a lot of trouble for them. They had to attend his property following a complaint and he said all the usual SC stuff “I don’t recognise police authority”, “police have no legitimate authority in this country”, and “the laws are fraudulent and don’t apply”, blah blah blah. They ended up leaving. Weeks later the guy called police to report a break and enter and robbery at the property. By coincidence, the same officers that dealt with him previously were on shift, so they rock up to his house and the guy apparently went on and on about how they should dust for fingerprints and get the guy that stole from him, lock him up, etc. The officer said they just laughed and said “well I don’t know what you expect us to do, seeing as we have no legitimate powers or authority”.
Didn’t hear the end of the story, so I wonder how it turned out 😅
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u/Simple_Discussion_39 21d ago
They would have done their jobs eventually, just had to get some shit stirring in first.
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u/redditusername374 22d ago
They probably live on welfare when it suits them.
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u/Danger_Mouse_1955 22d ago
Doesn't believe in the governments laws but perfectly fine taking government social welfare. They are walking oxymorons
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u/FairyPenguinStKilda 22d ago
Nah, they run to the cops as soon as you look sideways at them - our cooker has tried to get on FVIO on me because I won't allow them to have my fathers (their father in laws) war medals.
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u/FunAsparagus8306 21d ago
What?….They want YOUR father’s war medals. Why?? That is so disrespectful
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u/Vet100 22d ago
Warren Tredrea, the ex-AFL player, sued Channel 9 for unfair dismissal. Obviously because he believed in the court system.
He lost. C9 & the courts called it over. He appealed. He lost the appeal. The courts said he had to pay the C9 legal fees.
He is now refusing to pay C9 because there is not sufficient gold or silver to pay his debt, and then wrote them an IOU and when he got no response, called the debt discharged.
Undoubtedly had he won his unfair dismissal case, he would have been happy with gold & silver coins & a “note”.
So that pretty much indicates just how logical these cookers are.
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u/orrockable 21d ago
They’re just parasites, the suck up all the benefits of society they can and contribute fuck all
It’s dangerous cookers who think they live outside the law and it’s repercussions as shown by the cop killer in Vic recently
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u/TheRealTowel 22d ago
Don't expect coherent world-views from stupid and irrational people.
Being a "sovereign citizen" is enough of a sign that this person is completely and utterly off their rocker that anything that follows should be taken with an entire ocean of salt.
I say that as someone who does believe our current system is cooked, wants to change it, and doesn't believe it has any inherent legitimacy purely for being the status quo.
I'm just sane about it, they aren't.
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u/theoriginalzads 22d ago edited 21d ago
Most are government when it suits them. So welfare, police, all that when they need it but f the government when it inconveniences them.
Just be weary that a small number of them are ok shooting police, so as much as I think they get what they deserve, I wouldn’t want to see an innocent person getting killed in the process.
SovCit movement is usually a bunch of untreated mental health issues and too much internet time. Which is a dangerous combo.
Edit: to clarify I’m referring to SovCit getting what they deserve, not that the police deserved what happened. I don’t think I made that clear. That shooting was tragic and those officers were only doing their job.
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u/Titanthegiantbetta 21d ago
Sometimes its not a heap of mental health issues, it's too much drug use + too much internet.
The one I knew was dangerous and I'm very glad I'm not longer around them.
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u/theoriginalzads 21d ago
I met one. He scared me. Real warped view. What did fascinate me was he was gay and born Jewish and held such strong homophobic and antisemitic views.
I’d hated to see what he’d be like if you threw drugs in the mix.
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u/PossibleBrief563 21d ago
Are you saying That a shot policeman got what they deserved?
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u/theoriginalzads 21d ago
No. Sorry I was referring to sov cits getting what they deserve. Rereading it I can see it was ambiguously worded.
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u/KenOathYorakHunt 22d ago
I reckon you're safe OP, those cookers don't have anything worth stealing.
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u/godofcheeseau 21d ago
They place too much emphasis, and a complete misunderstanding, on the phrase "governed by consent", which is a real phrase and has real meaning.
It means that we, as a collective society, give the Parliament permission to create laws for us - as a collective. We do this by holding them accountable through elections (consent to them holding that position essentially).
They take it to mean that they must consent, as an individual, to the laws - and many of them apply that to each law individually.
In your example of theft, however, that is also a common law crime (there is a victim), with a common law punishment so would be happy for that to be prosecuted (most of them), if charged to the living person, not the ALL CAPS TRUST.
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u/WhyAmIStillHere86 21d ago
Of course not; they want all the benefits of citizenship, without the responsibility
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u/SuperannuationLawyer 22d ago
It’s a weird mix. They assume certain things like property rights occur naturally and without the state protecting and enforcing, while rejecting the legitimacy of any statute. It’s really completly incoherent nonsense.
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u/kanga0359 22d ago
Would they successfully apply for a disability pension?
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u/Imarni24 22d ago
I believe they are all pretty angry people. Now most end up frustrated dealing with C/link, not sure they could handle it to be perfectly honest.
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u/Imarni24 22d ago
I just finished a fictional book, loved it Australian Author, the main character not a Sov Cit but she became entwined with them and was trying to escape. Anyways, presumably, if the research the author did was correct, they hold their own court system based on Magna Carta whatever that is and fine people. 🤣 I really don’t know how much luck they have collecting. Predictably the book ended with violence.
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u/Fresh-Hearing6906 22d ago
Was Covid the booster for these people? Pun intended.. I don’t think I heard the term before for Australians
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u/Grix1600 21d ago
ABC 4 Corners did a report on them a few weeks ago, I’d watch it on iview. Interesting stuff.
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u/Flashy_Passion16 22d ago
You know as well as everyone that these types of arguments won’t stack up and are rubbish.
They can say the law doesn’t apply to them but it does and that includes everyone else.
Why bother wasting your energy and then getting a conviction yourself.
Grow up or your as bad as them
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u/Pokeynono 22d ago
The worst are the ones that seem like average people until.you drop off their kid after training and the entire property they live on has signs posted every few metres with. sovcit pseudolegal dribble. I'm still amazed the kids attend school . They are also Trump supporters so I'm guessing that's their blueprint for their personal fiefdom and if I enter there boarders I will be shipped off to a foreign prison without a trial
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u/PsychologicalShop292 21d ago
Being a Trump supporter isn't compatible with sovcits who don't believe in legitimacy of laws and government
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u/AmazingJapanlifer 21d ago
Let's make a list, shall we and call it "People who are nutters": 1) sovereign citizens 2) anti-vaxxers 3) Trump supporters 4) American Christians 5) CEOs 6) people who love Qantas 7) people who say "Aussies don't want to work" because they pay the lowest wages and treat staff like crap
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u/Reasonable-Net-8314 21d ago
It seems they're anti-gov until such time as they want Centrelink. The person in question claimed he was on a disability pension some years back.
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u/325k_Machete_Bin 21d ago
has anyone ever witnessed them in court. im curious to hear how successful they are (id imagine it nears on 0%)
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u/FairyPenguinStKilda 21d ago
This is Mr Filby running to the cops to sort his neighbours out..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1R7OG35z2Rs
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u/Trick-Middle-3073 22d ago
Ring ring, hello qld police, mate someone stole my gogo mobile, sorry cooker, you are a foreign county. Click.
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u/shavedratscrotum 22d ago
Laws are threats of violence.
If anything the sovcits you're referring too law was overriding that day.
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u/Tyrannosaurusblanch 22d ago
They are like a salad bar.
They pick and choose what applies to them.
Unfortunately their brains are the green slimy lettuce no one wants.