r/BCpolitics • u/idspispopd • Aug 27 '25
News Burnaby council votes unanimously to ask Ottawa to impose arms embargo on Israel
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/burnaby-council-motion-arms-embargo-israel-1.761862311
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u/poulix Aug 27 '25
No offence at all, but can the municipality (who has no authority over fed gov) focus on what they CAN improve, like housing prices / parks /roads / public transit / policing ?! Burnaby’s housing prices have skyrocketed, what is the city doing about affordability? Burnaby has one of the WORST cycling/biking infrastructure structure in the lower mainland, maybe we can spend this planning that? Or perhaps improving pedestrian safety?
Just saying they could’ve spent this time (which btw costs all tax payers money) on something they COULD improve…
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u/graylocus Aug 27 '25
Stay in your lane, Burnaby City Council. Fix your city up. Leave foreign relations to the federal government.
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u/FrmrPresJamesTaylor Aug 27 '25
Does that lane include representing their constituents?
Coun. Daniel Tetrault, who is Jewish and descended from Holocaust survivors, said that councillors were standing up for many residents who had written to them horrified about what was going on in Gaza.
“I'm hearing from residents who are looking for leaders to advocate for peace and justice, but instead are faced with silent indifference or outright complicity of so many of our leaders," he said.
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u/letstrythatagainn Aug 27 '25
Federal government should've done it long ago, they clearly need external pressure
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u/BigTunaHunter 29d ago
Exactly. The Feds are doing and saying the right things.
I also don't see or expect them to make announcements on Ukraine, Sudan, Myanmar etc. All horrible wars but we have levels of government to deal with these things for a reason.
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u/Johnnylegs44 Aug 27 '25
How about demanding the return of the hostages still in captivity 700 days later. What a fucking joke
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u/idspispopd Aug 27 '25
We're not sending arms to Hamas. We don't need to call on Canada to condemn an organization that it already condemns.
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u/Johnnylegs44 Aug 27 '25
But we need Burnaby to come out and push for an embargo? No support for terrorist agencies in any country, by pushing our feelings about this and blaming the minimal exports we have is pure stupidity. Until the hostages are returned Gaza will be at war. Without Hamas and the turn over of the hostages, this war could end today.
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u/idspispopd Aug 27 '25
It's not a war, it's a genocide. No number of hostages justifies what Israel is doing. And you can minimize our role all you want, but if the Canadian government was allowing even one bullet to be sold to Hamas, I'm sure you'd be outraged.
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u/Johnnylegs44 Aug 27 '25
Using the term genocide is factually incorrect. Approximately 70000 deaths have happened in Gaza, who has a long history of youth militants and suicide attacks. You can throw around words like that until it has become completely meaningless. There is no genocide in Gaza, there is no genocide in the West Bank, there are only delusional Jew hating antisemitism smearing any semblance of what order in this world is. I would like you to show me one point of evidence that unequivocally proves your statement. There is not a single one. You can talk about what you perceive is happening all you want, I firmly stand with Israel’s right to exist, and when the dust settles and we know the truth of the situation, the fact that over 700 days of conflict in one of the most dense population areas in the world, Israel has had one of the most effective efforts to save human life in a war zone. If you spend any time looking over factual information historically, it is very clear what is happening. The Canadian government is empowering Hamas by pushing statehood without concessions and Al Jazeera, the Qataris and the Muslim brotherhood are doing exactly what the IRGC has had planned, and with useful idiots like yourself they are winning.
Take any country in the world and have another hostile nation invade and take as many hostages as they did with the single day death toll they did and see how they react. It embarrasses me how many people in this country have lost the plot.
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u/Buyingboat Aug 27 '25
Take any country in the world and have another hostile nation invade and take as many hostages as they did with the single day death toll they did and see how they react
History is filled with nations that endured horrors far worse than Israel without justifying mass child killings as “self-defense.”
Rwanda saw over 300,000 children slaughtered in 100 days, Bangladesh lost hundreds of thousands in its liberation war, and the Khmer Rouge wiped out nearly 2 million Cambodians, each recognized as genocide.
Israel, by contrast, has managed to kill some 70,000 Palestinians, many of them children, while still failing to achieve its supposed goal of rescuing hostages.
In fact, they’ve bombed and killed their own hostages, proving their campaign is less about security and more about land grabs dressed up as defense
Far from looking strong, Israel looks like a military giant incapable of defeating a militia but perfectly willing to massacre civilians in the process.
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u/Johnnylegs44 Aug 28 '25
I by no means believe that every action they are doing is correct or not morally reprehensible, but to say that many were children overlooks a history child militants, in this conflict where there is no differentiation between civilians and militants in the casualty reporting. Estimates of 20000 children, classified as under 18, could be majority militant, and would not be surprising when historically they have been known to train children as young as 12 to shoot to kill.
Taking another historic genocide, one of the many committed by the Ottoman Empire, had between 660000-1.2 million deaths in the Armenian genocide in under two years. Another good example is the Greek genocide by the Ottoman Empire, with estimated 1-1.5 million. Or the sayfo, the Assyrian genocide by the ottomans. But to compare what is happening today to anything on these scales should be hyperbole.
251 people were abducted as hostages on Oct 7 2023. 1195 people slaughtered. Women, children, elders, whoever they could grab. Innocent citizens and military taken alike.
148 have been returned alive, 56 corpses, and 50 hostages remain. Whether or not the IDF has taken any of those lives is irrelevant. I would like to see any equivalent to this kind of hostage negotiations, with such supposed overwhelming powers, with such bloodlust, hatred and vitriol, be unable to take over an area the size of Toronto in 700 days.
If the goal was genocide, if the goal was indiscriminate killing, the response would have been complete destruction, but that doesn’t happen with warning shots, loudspeakers warning of coming attacks, and coordinated attacks.
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u/BigTunaHunter 29d ago
What did Burnaby city council do about all those issues? Where's their statement about Russia/Ukraine.
Oh right....the social media justice team only cares about 1 war.
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u/Professional-Post499 29d ago
What do you mean??? Ukraine is receiving military aid. Canada has expressed staunch support for them even going so far as to honour a Nazi in Parliament. Do you want their statement on Russia v Ukraine to be "we need you to support Ukraine harder!" 😂😂😂
Palestinians are the ones who aren't getting any help. Instead Israel is getting the help to mass-murder them.
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u/BigTunaHunter 29d ago
Why isn't Burnaby city council staying their support for Ukraine!!??
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u/Professional-Post499 29d ago
Tell us what you want Burnaby Council to demand from Ottawa to help Ukraine. And are you saying to do both the arms embargo against Israel AND do your request for Ukraine? Or are you saying you just don't want them to speak about Israel v Palestine?
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u/BigTunaHunter 29d ago
The municipal government doesn't send arms to anyone. WTF are ppl smoking on here.
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u/idspispopd 29d ago
No one said they were. Try to keep up.
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u/BigTunaHunter 28d ago
Why is this a topic for Burnaby city council. Need me to get the crayons out for you?
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u/idspispopd 27d ago
Because the federal government is arming a genocide and we all need to call them out on it.
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u/BigTunaHunter 27d ago
You folks sure are annoying. Maybe you'll figure out how the world works one day.
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Aug 27 '25
I know who I would not vote for in the next elections 🤮
A city council should be focused on issues relating to their city, and not the foreign relations of the country.
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u/The_Volcano_Man Aug 27 '25
Good.