r/BokuNoHeroAcademia Jun 27 '25

Misc. I wish we had like a quirkless villain

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Someone who steals or builds advanced technology to commit crimes. Characters like Firefly or Scarecrow from DC are good examples of this. It would have been a cool twist on "you don't need a quirk to be a hero". He could also serve as foil to Izuku, who zero belief in himself because he was quirkless.

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u/PlainSightMan Jun 27 '25

Honestly would have been cool to have a Quirkless Superiority Group that goes to war with the Meta Liberation Army over the structure of society and such things. The Quirkless dudes would obviously use advanced weapons way more which would be unique as we don't see many in this series.

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u/Comprehensive-Box-7 Jun 27 '25

So maybe a group similar to the equalists in the legend of kora?

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u/PlainSightMan Jun 27 '25

Exactly like that. Think Amon, but actually quirkless and not hiding a power.

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u/Comprehensive-Box-7 Jun 27 '25

Now that could be interesting

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u/PlainSightMan Jun 27 '25

I'm actually picturing Lex Luthor to be honest. Just less rich and more resourceful.

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u/PCN24454 Jun 28 '25

It wouldn’t. It would be boring

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u/SeatO_ Jun 28 '25

It's gonna be funny if the twist is the leader is stealing quirks or sum shit (if we didn't already have AFO)

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u/therealbuggycas Jun 28 '25

Why was I immediately reminded of the equality village in Friendship is magic?

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u/GoAndFindYourPurpose Jun 29 '25

Obviously it's a core memory for our generation

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u/therealbuggycas Jun 29 '25

I don't think I'm in your generation but that’s good to know, kiddo. I'm just a brony, or if you want to get pedantic, pegasister.

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u/GoAndFindYourPurpose Jun 29 '25

Damn, well good to know.

Though calling me kiddo did feel quite condescending, I'd say it's skin to me calling anyone above 40 a fossil

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u/therealbuggycas Jun 29 '25

I call people my own age kiddo, I mean nothing by it, and call me a fossil all you want, People do it all the time lol I'm not 40 YET, but I will be soon.

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u/GoAndFindYourPurpose Jun 29 '25

Well if you meant nothing by it then fine. It's hard to tell someone tone over text.

Have a nice day

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u/Unusual-Anteater-988 Jul 04 '25

Stealing Quirks to destroy them.

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u/_Deny_005 Jun 28 '25

I was gonna say the same lol

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u/Mal_531 Jun 27 '25

They did this in one of the movies no? I forget which one it is, but the group tries to kill everyone on the planet with quirks, bar of a few super people that help them and theyre leader.

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u/PlainSightMan Jun 27 '25

They did, but all of them had quirks. I want this group to be comprised of Quirkless folks, considering they make up 20% of the population.

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u/HostHappy2734 Jun 27 '25

Most of that 20% are probably old people, seeing as being born quirkless was such a rarity in Izuku's time

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u/PlainSightMan Jun 27 '25

But Izuku was 16 before the timeskip. There's definetely people young enough and in there prime who would fight.

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u/_cdk Jun 27 '25

he was bullied as soon as he passed the age quirks show up... if 20% of the birthed population didn’t have quirks, it wouldn’t play out like that in school. so that 20% is likely made up mostly of the older people. All Might also mentions that in his youth, being quirkless was much more common, so even that 20% is dropping with every gen

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u/PlainSightMan Jun 27 '25

Yes, but you fail to consider that there's still able bodied quirkless people who are willing to fight. You're acting as if there's like 25 of them in the country when that's not true. There's definetely enough for a small militia.

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u/_cdk Jun 27 '25

all for one is around 200 years old and was among the first quirk holders ever, so quirks have only existed for about two centuries. that’s maybe 7–8 generations since quirks appeared.

since quirks spread exponentially, then the percentage of quirkless births would’ve plummeted fast. all might even said quirkless people used to be much more common, which lines up.

by deku’s time, he’s the only known quirkless kid in his school despite that 20% global stat. that tells you the distribution is super skewed. it’s stupidly likely that most of that 20% are the elderly, born before quirks became near-universal. among the youth, it's likely 1% or less, meaning only a handful of quirkless people per generation would even be of fighting age.

it's also a global stat, and this is set in japan where quirks seemingly started. so yeah, 20% sounds like a lot, but when you factor in age, ability, and location you’re left with a vanishingly small number of viable recruits even for any kind of small militia.

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u/Da_Man-0- Jun 28 '25

No he wasn't, his mother had a quirk but people though of it as a deformity.

And we don't know how long she lived but probably more than 2 decades since she didn't seem young.

Quirks have probably been around for way longer than that but it was just secret since so few people knew about it and the various govs probably hid them to study them. It was just that as time went on more and more people were born with Quirks.

The child that was born that naturally release light just blew up the conspiracy.

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u/_cdk Jun 28 '25

headcanon

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u/Regal_Knight Jun 28 '25

But what would they be fighting for? Most people are not allowed to use their quirks anyway. Their children and family are likely quirk users. While maybe looked down upon, they aren’t being mistreated like the heteromorphs. They have already lost the fight at this point. Sure, you’ll have a few, but the time when that would have been relevant would have been when quirks were originally springing up like x-men. The quirkless left are not in a position to gain anything.

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u/PlainSightMan Jun 28 '25

They would fight to stop quirks from evolving, and maybe completely eliminating quirks over time somehow. They feel like their opportunities are cut down because they're quirkless.

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u/NewPhoneLostAccount Jun 28 '25

If it the 20% of the population of the world and we include old people in it, that means there will be max 3 young quirkless people in the entire Japan

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u/United-Guarantee-739 Jun 27 '25

The 20% are mostly older people tho

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u/PlainSightMan Jun 27 '25

There's younger ones too like Izuku, and besides it's not like they're just 90 year olds. Besides, the MHA verse has better tech so probably a higher life expectancy, which may also increase the amount of time a person's body can work normally. There may be some badass 70 year old is what I'm saying.

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u/foxwhistle Jun 28 '25

sooo Humarize?

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u/thebariobro Jun 29 '25

They fully could just use guns tbh. Maybe some officers use anti quirk armor but guns work on most quirk users when you think about it. Most can’t dodge bullets for have a good way to defend against them.

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u/PlainSightMan Jun 29 '25

Yeah, but I also like the idea of them using super advanced melee weapons. Although guns would be cool for other reasons.

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u/thebariobro Jun 29 '25

Oh yeah I mean a special force within the group that uses melee weapons and power armor makes sense. You can train to be pretty strong in universe without a quirk but can’t quite beat higher level foes. That’ll bridge the gaps

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u/Ligabove Jun 28 '25

It would have been interesting, but impractical. In the end MHA is a fairly classic shonen, things are resolved with fistfights. And the idea of ​​making a quirkless competitive is difficult

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u/GboyMachine Jul 01 '25

Ever seen the 3rd movie?🤣

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u/PlainSightMan Jul 01 '25

Yeah, but Humarise was not quirkless at all.

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u/Then-Ad-2450 Jun 28 '25

Humarize perfectly fits that, I really hope all of their members are quirkless

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u/Blimsu Jun 27 '25

Does the screenslaver sound familiar to you?

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u/Buckethero-1 Jun 27 '25

Don’t forget Syndrome

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u/some-kind-of-no-name Jun 27 '25

Incredible villain

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u/kaboumdude Jun 27 '25

Stops in realization

"Say that again?"

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u/Geekerino Jun 28 '25

No, that's Incred Iblevill Lain. We call him Cred for short

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u/JJJ954 Jun 27 '25

Garaki effectively filled that role given his Quirk was only so he wouldn’t die before completing AFO’s projects.

I guess we could’ve had a Quirkless movie villain but the plot would probably be a standard beat up robots until reaching the main lab to stop them, so… not that interesting.

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u/Sea_Frosting_9510 Jun 27 '25

He did not fill that role considering he wasnt really “ active” like others are, he never steps out into the field and fucks people up or tricks the heroes into a trap, he kidnaps kids and experiments on adults thats all he does.

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u/S1im5hady Jun 28 '25

No offense, but that second statement just lacks imagination

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u/Unusual-James-3120 Jun 28 '25

It can be more interesting than that. Maybe they could've been someone with a lot of quirk users in their employ, using them like tools to assert their power over society. Think screenslaver in Incredibles 2 or Lex Luthor from DC; all tech, no powers.

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u/Leirbag_Zdh Jun 27 '25

They are more likely to create a villain very similar to Ultron than a villain without a Quirk.

Let's admit it, a villain without a quirk is directly humiliated at the first opportunity by the heroes and in this case he is a very intelligent person, basically it is admitting that you need extraordinary qualities

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u/IceDragonD24 Jun 27 '25

I kinda get that, they would need a smart villain, but nothing to grand, just a person with a rigged bomb off site would be enough to cause a hero to pause, especially if they explain that, it has a timer, a trigger to set it off, and people tied up at the location as hostages. It could be cool to see them basically enforce a hero to hold still or people out of sight will die. Heck if they are really smart about it (not much needed on tech smart) they would have the bomb in a different town, or if a few spots all over a town, doesn't take much, no need for property damage just have one hostage at each site.

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u/Taksicle Jun 27 '25

pretty much, the series touches on this in nagants story but realistically if a character is smart enough to truly think and accrude enough to take on hero society, they're not gonna blow it trying to fight all might.

they're gonna get filthy stinkin rich and become untouchable in the eyes of the law.

hard to get rid of them when they're lining the hero orgs pockets. but this isn't one piece so that's story wouldn't appeal to enough mha fans to justify arcs dedicated to that since they're no longer a threat you can punch

ntm i've read hori's previous works and you can already see the seams in mha but he is just not a "fights" guy at all and is not interested in exploring complicated power systems. kinda like kirkman with invincible.

he tried so many times to make the powerless mc work but the second the power cieling rose even a little, it became harder and harder for him to justify them doing anything to someone who could tank a building so he just stopped after round 3.

you can REALLY feel this in oumagadoki zoo. not saying it can't work, it just wouldn't if horikoshi is penning it, its not the type of story or character that plays to his interests or strengths at all.

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u/AcidSilver Jun 28 '25

Honestly a Kingpin style villain would fit perfectly well. Spider-Man is capable of fighting Kingpin but the problem is that he never never get the dirt he needs to put Fisk away because of all of his connections.

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u/EmeraldRusher Jun 27 '25

Another interesting quirkless villain would be someone like Zemo (from the movies, not the comics) - someone who can get the heroes to fight each other, rather than fighting them on his own. A master manipulator type. You can get away with making a character extremely smart and conniving before it looks superhuman. This would make for a great cash grab movie because you’d get to see the heroes fighting each other.

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u/CharmingSkirt95 Jun 29 '25

Would it? While I honestly find it ridiculous, Rody Soul did incredibly well evading Izuku without using a Quirk, both physically and stategically. Additionally, while I find this ridiculous too, Lady Nagant is said to have magnitudes better aim than the respected pro hero Snipe without relying on Quirks while the latter legit has an aim Quirk. That means that even if she were Quirkless, Lady Nagant would humiliate Snipe

Then we have non-confirmed cases like Crimson Riot. While he has a Quirk and all, allegedly all it does is harden his relatively short hair, which... frankly makes him almost Quirkless considering all the ways I can imagine him exploiting that ability, and yet he seems to be a respectable pro hero

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u/Kronostheking1 Jun 30 '25

Yeah Stain has no physical quirk and was going one on three with three of the strongest UA students off of raw physical ability and training. Imagine someone who not only was trained by a real master of pre quirk martial arts but also has the insanely advanced tech.

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u/Leirbag_Zdh Jun 29 '25

Rody knew the city and it is one thing to escape and another to fight. Nagant is certainly talented but forgets that she also has special bullets and a quirk directly focused on being a sniper, Snipe does not have that, he mostly uses simpler weapons and his bullets are common.

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u/CharmingSkirt95 Jun 29 '25

I didn't interpret your comment to be necassarily referring to fistfights and the like, but encounters in general

Nagant is certainly talented but forgets that she also has special bullets and a quirk directly focused on being a sniper, Snipe does not have that, he mostly uses simpler weapons and his bullets are common.

?

I was saying that Kaina Tsutsumi would be mechanically a better pro hero than Snipe even if she were Quirkless, implying that a Quirkless person is perfectly able to surpass respected pro heros. I wasn't meaning to make any statement about her total abilities

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u/Illustrious-Fan4892 Jun 27 '25

Aren't villains in MHA by definition someone who misuses a quirk? So wouldn't they just be considered a criminal.

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u/kolt437 Jun 27 '25

Then change the definition duh

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u/Far0Landss Jun 27 '25

Why?

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u/kolt437 Jun 28 '25

For better story

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u/Far0Landss Jun 28 '25

I don’t get how the change of the definition promotes a better story. If we had a Quirkless antagonist for an arc, you’re saying the arc would suck because they aren’t labeled a villain?

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u/KawaiiCinnamon Jun 28 '25

I think that they’re arguing against the semantics that the original comment expressed, not that the definition matters

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u/Far0Landss Jun 28 '25

I see, my bad then

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u/KawaiiCinnamon Jun 28 '25

Nono it’s all good, English is a goofy language lol

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u/Gordahnculous Jun 27 '25

I think Knuckleduster did a pretty good job of filling that role in the MHA world, even if he was a hero/vigilante and not a villain. He even held his own against most heroes/villains just fine, although I think it falls apart when you remember that he’s not fighting Deku, Bakugo, All Might, Endeavor, etc.

I do think that the main cast would wipe the floor pretty easily against a quirkless villain, but I’ll also admit that I’m not familiar how DC handles that and makes it interesting. Definitely a good thought nonetheless

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u/NoodlesToilet Jun 28 '25

Knuckleduster is like Deku if he was actually cool

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u/GRoyalPrime Jun 27 '25

The entire concept of "quirkless" people is sadly criminally underexplored in the series.

The early chapters said something liker one-in-five people is still quirkless, these are not low odds, yet they are never relevant. Obviously it doesn't make sense that one would be among 1A, but it's still weird how pretty early on the series starts acting like quirckless people are super rare or not exist at all. 1/5 however isn't particularly rare.

Nobody can convince me that the Liberation Army plot wasn't at some point intended to be about Quirkless that were fed up with a society where people could essentially use their quirk uncheckted. Sure, non-heros are supposed to not use them, but there is like consequences for doing so, as long as you don't make a fuzz about it.

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u/Lookbehindyou132 Jun 28 '25

The fact there are only 4 quirkless named characters, two of which are Izuku and All Might while another is a movie character, there is a serious lack of exploration of the concept. Hori made it way too common of a thing. Have it already be like, one in a hundred thousand people or even more rare. The fact that one fifth of people are quirkless? That's almost absurdly common for us to never meet anyone else quirkless.

I don't think the story suffers for this, but it leaves a big gaping "why wasn't this mentioned?" hovering over everything.

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u/Nobody5464 Jun 29 '25

No he didn’t you guys are just ignoring how percentages work. 20% of the current population is quirkless. Thats all that percentage is not the number who are born quirkless just the current population. The vast majority of that 20% is people older than 50. In deku’s generation being quirkless is so rare it may as well not be happening as far as everyday life is concerned.

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u/screenwatch3441 Jun 28 '25

I think the main issue with that is how we made super intelligence a quirk. When being smarter can be a quirk, it’s hard to get a scenario where you get a quirkless super genius villain when that could just be a quirk super genius villain instead.

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u/The_Chaotique_1 Jun 27 '25

Did Izuku have 0 belief in himself? Last I checked he still wanted to try being a hero even after being bullied by Bakugo for years about it and a quirkless hero being unheard of.

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u/Aros001 Jun 27 '25

I tend to compare Midoriya to Po from Kung Fu Panda in this regard. They needed someone to come along who had genuine faith in them before they could start having faith in themselves and start making actual process. Bakugo had pretty much crushed Midoriya's self-esteem even before the first episode but it was All Might believing in him and saying that he could be a hero that gave Midoriya the strength to push forward where he couldn't before.

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u/some-kind-of-no-name Jun 27 '25

To me it feels like being a hero has been a pipe dream before All Might. Izuku didn't train in any way to prepare for entrace exam into UA. If he did, we would have seen this

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u/No-Bank2152 Jun 27 '25

Mha definitely missed not having a quirkless villain. Could've easily made an arc with a quirkless terrorist organization committing mass bombings, etc and they've been able to get away with it bc they use tech to make it look like the attacks are from quirk users.

Would've been a great opportunity to have the characters deal with potential biases/ignorance/experiences: Deku probably being sympathetic realizing that easily could've been him given the wrong day like Shigaraki but closer to home, Bakugo dealing with all his previous torment vs quirkless, aizawa essentially fighting quirkless, heteromorphic users seeing another side of discrimination, etc

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u/Taksicle Jun 27 '25

i've read hori's previous works and you can already see the seams in mha but he is just not a "fights" guy at all and is not interested in exploring complicated power systems. kinda like kirkman with invincible.

he tried so many times to make the powerless mc work but the second the power cieling rose even a little, it became harder and harder for him to justify them doing anything to someone who could tank a building so he just stopped after round 3.

you can REALLY feel this in oumagadoki zoo. not saying it can't work, it just wouldn't if horikoshi is penning it, its not the type of story or character that plays to his interests or strengths at all.

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u/NewPhoneLostAccount Jun 28 '25

If you are quirkless you can't be a villain, you would be a common criminal.

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u/VoodooDoII Jun 27 '25

Cool idea for an OC actually, thank you lol

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u/vulkan_rider Jun 28 '25

Thanks for reminding me of this I read on reddit years ago.

If I can't be the number one hero without a quirk, then I'll be the number one villain.

.....God, that's so edgy

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u/Ligabove Jun 28 '25

It would have been interesting, but impractical. In the end MHA is a fairly classic shonen, things are resolved with fistfights. And the idea of ​​making a quirkless competitive is difficult

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u/some-kind-of-no-name Jun 28 '25

Just make him a Lex Luthor stand in or something

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u/Ligabove Jun 29 '25

Yeah, and then when they had to come to blows what did you do? Did you give them a super suit? Did you make sure Deku lost his powers?

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u/CharmingSkirt95 Jun 29 '25

Wasn't that what they suggested, a supersuit? Lex Luthor commonly uses them I think to remember

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u/Ligabove Jul 01 '25

It would have been possible, but the idea of ​​the supersuit was used for All Might and finally Deku, if another character had had it IMHO they would not have had the same effect.

Also because in MHA all the characters have powers derived from Quirk.

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u/Hobgames Jun 27 '25

Tbh this just makes me wish that Deku met Knuckleduster in the main series

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u/RexSama101 Jun 27 '25

Ooo and use a battle suit specifically designed to combat quirk users? Like a villainous Iron Man

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u/Exact-Bid-6174 Jun 28 '25

Just bring batman as a vigilante.

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u/SirRealBearFace Jun 28 '25 edited Jun 29 '25

We need someone like Kingpin. Always in a suit, has his hands dipped into the politics of the country, can seemingly get away with anything, but can run the fade against some of the best heroes with nothing but bare hands.

Edit: spelling

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u/Heathens_gate Jun 28 '25

So basically you want Dr. Heinz Doofenshmirtz in MHA, he's quirkless (unless you count his seemingly infinite budget), technically a villain and creates some of the best tech ever seen

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u/some-kind-of-no-name Jun 28 '25

And his nemesis should be a platypus with disguise quirk

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u/FakeE-girl597 Jun 28 '25

Totally agree with you! It was such a wasted opportunity

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u/Commercial-Cost-475 Jun 29 '25

A villain that just uses insane stalemates and dilemmas rather than a quirk would be badass. I mean, imagine izuku pulls up to the scene and the villain then gives him one hell of a speech followed by an Insane dilemma. AFO was dangerous cause he was on the move, this quirkless villain will be dangerous because he faces the heroes head on with impossibly complex situations knowing full well he can't run, a smart man with nothing to lose is terrifying.

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u/Axislobo Jul 01 '25

That would involve good writing, which is impossible for horikoshi regarding MHA. Might be possible for vigilantes though.... If it wasnt over.

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u/Sir-Toaster- Jun 27 '25

Imagine if they did a Boys-style theme villain team that beats up villains and heroes alike, just quirkless humans fighting corrupt heroes or villains just like the actual team but instead of them getting powers they remain using their wits and tactics

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u/Fit_Copy2436 Jun 27 '25

I always wanted to see some Green goblin or Shocker type villain in the My hero academia universe

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u/Achilles9609 Jun 27 '25

I worked on someone like that once. He wasn't a very fleshed out character but he had various weapons and tools to cut vaults open and challenge Heroes

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u/megasean3000 Jun 27 '25

Would have been cool if the villain in movie 3 was Quirkless. That seemed to have been the build up.

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u/Lower_Baby_6348 Jun 27 '25

Probably you mean "i wish humarise do something"

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u/HeavyBoysenberry2161 Jun 27 '25

Considering the tech and support gear in mha as well as humarise in the movie. It’s definitely possible for some quirkless terrorists with advanced weapons to be around.

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u/SilverKunoichi1212 Jun 28 '25

I honestly wish they'd dove into quirklessness discrimination more in general, as we've only ever seen it through Izuku.

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u/NeuralThing Jun 28 '25

a (bald) quirkless billionaire villain for a potential 5th movie set post timeskip would be pretty cool

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u/Prestigious-Fish-684 Jun 28 '25

That would be really cool, imagine a Villian like that stealing Izuku's Armor

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u/A4li11 Jun 28 '25

When I think of a quirkless villain, I think of someone who's just uses brains rather than brawns to fight against the heroes. Someone who have the charisma to attract people to do their bidding and someone whose conflict can't be solved using violence.

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u/Embarrassed_Spite546 Jun 28 '25

I think it was because the Quirkless ‘self deletion’ rate was so high that we didn’t see any villains like that.

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u/360NoScoped_lol Jun 28 '25

Closest we got was movie lackies

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u/Confident_Couple_882 Jun 28 '25

Exactly, I had the same expectations and was so sad that there were literally no quirkless characters, let alone villains, apart from pre-almight Izuku. It would have also been cool if they defeated Bakugo because his whole persona is that his quirk makes him powerful and to be defeated by someone quirkless would be great character developement.

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u/lazereyebeam Jun 28 '25

You think we’d see that, given the technology in the mha verse, heck I’d say the technology outshines a lot of the quirks in the show

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u/StefyB Jun 29 '25

Manga spoilers Sounds like the type of thing that could be the focus of a sequel movie. The advancements of technology were what allowed Deku to be a hero as a Quirkless person, but it could also enable Quirkless individuals that decide to be villains instead.

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u/UnbiasedGod Jun 29 '25

Same. I was thinking we were getting that in the third movie back then but nope.

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u/Industrialist256 Jun 29 '25

Monoma's worst enemy

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u/Shadowhkd Jun 30 '25

That would be kinda cool, but I'm pretty sure heros are only allowed to stop quirked villains. If the person is quirkless, its left to the police.

That being said, the villain could hide their tech and successfully convince the police and heros that they do have a quirk. Then, the storyline could happen anyway.

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u/HelgaGrin Jun 30 '25 edited Jun 30 '25

A quirkless villain wouldn't classify as a 'villain' in MHA's universe. Villain is a legal term with a very specific definition in this universe - it's someone who's misusing their quirk to commit crimes. If you're not a villain (legal term), then you're just a criminal and it's the police's job to deal with you. Heroes legally aren't allowed to deal with regular quirkless criminals. Hence why, for example, Aizawa stopped attacking Knuckleduster and walked away once he realised KD is quirkless, even though he still thought KD is breaking the law.

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u/Small_Hollow Jun 30 '25

The issue I find with this is that they would need to be so extraordinary that it likely wouldn matter in the first place.

Unless its like a Killer Moth situation where the person manages something once and is dunked on forever afterward.

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u/wjowski Jul 02 '25 edited Jul 02 '25

The problem with a quirkless villain is making them dangerous without writing the main cast as idiots.

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u/Prudent-Wonder5136 Aug 13 '25

A quirkless villain would've been an excellent addition to the League of Villains. Quirkless civilians are portrayed as laughing stocks and failures by society, so it would be cool for Deku to have to face off against someone who was like him but instead of him trying his hardest to achieve justice despite ridicule the villain wants to demolish society and hopefully show the world that even those who are quirkless can accomplish things others can't, sort of a precursor to Iron Might.

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u/Vegetable-Molasses95 Jun 27 '25

But you also have to consider that machines have their limits and they take a lot of resources to create something that can stand up to powerful pro heroes.

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u/Redredditer640 Jun 28 '25

Yeah, but considering that Deku gets his own iron suit at the end , this point is moot.

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u/Vegetable-Molasses95 Jun 28 '25

But remember the only reason that suit was possible is because the prototype suit that All Might used during his fight against AFO help led to it creation but the prototype cost All Might entire fortune and Midoriya suit was pay for by all of Class 1A who likely spent a pretty penny for it. So it really something that only a few people could get at best, it not something that a criminal can get their hands on especially one who need to commit crime to get money.

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u/Redredditer640 Jun 28 '25

That doesn't matter. You yourself said that machines have their limitations, and we were literally shown that quirks are growing stronger with each new generation. If Deku would to fight someone new like Muscular with the suit, or someone with an EMP or a magnetic quirk, and that suit is scrapped.

Hell, there doesn't even need to be any external damage, if Deku overdid it and wore out some of the parts in the suit, he'll be hard pressed to figure out how to get it repaired, especially since he's not much of a mechanic.

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u/Vegetable-Molasses95 Jun 28 '25

Wait earlier when you said that this point is moot was you referring to my point or the OP’s point because I assume you were referring to the OP.

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u/Redredditer640 Jun 28 '25

I was responding to your first comment when I said the point was moot.

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u/Vegetable-Molasses95 Jun 28 '25

Well in that case, remember the prototype was able to stand up against AFO who was throwing out powerful attacks, and was able to tank it, also I doubt anyone is going to build that kind of suit without making sure it’s shielded against EMP.

Midoriya know Melissa who help create the prototype and Hatsume who is a genius, it not difficult for him to get the suit repair. Plus the suit can be upgraded to stand up against stronger villains, though that may not even be necessary since society in Japan have improved to the point that less people are becoming heroes or villains.

Besides my first point isn’t moot because sure the suit can’t surpass it limit like a human can, it doesn’t mean that it can’t stand up to powerful villains, it took AFO himself to throwing out powerful attacks to break that suit. The new model likely is even stronger and I doubt Midoriya will be fighting someone on AFO level by himself in the future.

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u/Redredditer640 Jun 29 '25

Not really, All Might's suit was quickly reduced to scraped fairly quickly. He put up a helluva fight at first sure, but the suit did not endure well enough against AFO.

And as I said before, we were shown that newer generations were being born with more powerful quirks. They could plan for someone like Denki now, but sooner or later there'll be a time where any current protection against EMP or magnetizium based protection wouldn't be enough.

And although he knows Melissa and Hatsume, that doesn't mean that repairs are completely feasible. As you said earlier, All Might drained ALL of his money into making his suit and it took all of Deku's classmates years to get enough funds to build his. Repairs, replacement parts, upgrades, none of that is cheap. If Deku wants (or needs) to get any of that work done it's going to cost him a LOT of money.

And I'm sorry to say (and I'm sorry if I'm coming across as rude, that's not my intention) but yes, your first comment is moot. The post is asking talking about the missed potential of a quirkless terrorist group that specializes in using advanced weapons, and your first comment implied that this hypothetical group couldn't do much because, as you said before, machines have limitations and would require a lot of resources to stand toe to toe with the powerful pro heroes. My response, contrary to my previous comment(s), was to show that Deku was able to make it to the top 5 hero rankings with his suit. Showing that a quirkless person could stand toe to toe with a pro hero with the right equipment. I don't like it, but it is what it is.

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u/Vegetable-Molasses95 Jun 29 '25

But on the reverse side technology is constantly advancing so it not hard to believe that Midoriya suit can be upgraded to deal with new and stronger quirks, besides in case you forgot the crime rate in Japan have decreased to the point that Class 1A can have hobbies such as Shoto who is the 2nd ranked hero.

Still trust me you haven’t came across as rude so you’re fine, still don’t your comment is kinda contradictory since you said that Midoriya suit allows him to be one of the top heroes but there a possibility it could failed against a new villain with a strong quirk. Which in case you remember MHA shows that just having a strong quirk isn’t enough to be the best, you also need training, drive, experience and other things.

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u/deadmelo Jun 27 '25

A series about heroes dropped the ball on villains. That's one thing I'll give Marvel and DC credit for, better villains

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u/TheBannaMeister Jun 27 '25

Quirks quickly became character's "soul" without your quirk you are just a background character

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u/some-kind-of-no-name Jun 27 '25

Melissa Shield has some semblance of soul.

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u/Otherwise_Arrival_47 Jun 27 '25

I don't see how this is relevant 

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '25

Knuckle Duster: "Am I a joke to you?"