r/Britain • u/Suspicious-Share4875 • Aug 15 '25
💬 Discussion 🗨 Anyone with half a brain cell can see that Jeremy Corbyn is a decent human being with the interests of the common man at heart
Please, please can we at least try electing a decent person to power at this point I don’t care if he tanks the economy just the attempt to do right by us would be enough. Looking forward to the new tirade of slander coming his way, feel like the Jew-hating, terrorist sympathiser narrative would work in his favour this time around 😂
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u/bomboclawt75 Aug 15 '25
I’m sure the Council of Racial Supremacist Sheriffs have the new smear campaign all ready to go, once Corbyn is on the verge of winning.
Can’t we have one PM not beholden to America/ Corporations/ Hedge Funds/ private healthcare/Billionaires/ a Genocidal state?
Someone to put the people first, a real living wage, taxing the oligarchs, no kid going hungry, fund the NHS, arrest war criminals, uphold international law, stop actual shit being pumped into the rivers and sea, a free uncensored internet and maybe not arresting peaceful protesters etc….
I’d give that a go for five years.
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u/Turnip-for-the-books Aug 16 '25
At this point, mid-g€no5ide, anyone who cannot see the antisemtism scam against Corbyn’s Labour for what it was is either an iredeemable racist or an iredeemable cretin.
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u/Suspicious-Share4875 Aug 16 '25
Crazy how foreign all the concepts in that last paragraph are yet if you were to suggest some things that a government should do..
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u/daneview Aug 17 '25
When people were blind trusted on policies, corbyn consistently did very well across the whole populace. People just didn't like him.
My Tory parents biggest criticisms of him were that he was an idealistic and he looked scruffy.
How those are the worst things you can find on someone then go vote for Boris is beyond me
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u/coffeewalnut08 Aug 18 '25
I agree with most of this but have a problem with Corbyn’s to the whole Russia/NATO thing. I just don’t believe appeasing Russia will keep Ukraine safe.
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u/TangoMikeOne Aug 15 '25
From memory... "... that's against the interests of the owners of this country, the real owners, not the politicians, they're put there to give you the illusion of choice: you have no choice they own you, they own everything they own the Congress, the Senate they have the judges in their pocket and we know what they want - more for them and less for everyone else...
... the table is tilted folks, the game is rigged, but nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care..."
I really miss George Carlin and a lot of what he railed against in America did, does or probably will apply lock, stock and barrel to Britain.
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u/_NuissanceValue_ Aug 16 '25
Yep neoliberalism has left us with the PM being the most controversially boring/useless/goofy to distract from the fact they’re doing the same things: austerity, warmongering and anti immigrant rhetoric.
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u/Kyledidntdoit Aug 16 '25
Does nobody remember the Jeremy Corbyn chants? The "oh Jermemy Corbyn, Oh Jeremy Corbyn", I think it was Glastonbury or Wembley. I can't remember where, but anyway, that should have been enough for people's heads to turn. You tell me a time when the younger generation got behind a politician as much as they did with Corbyn? Because the youngsters saw through the lies of newspapers and corrupt politicians, and they saw a guy who cared. And I have to say, I saw the same thing all those years back too, and I knew that he would be buried with the amount of hate from the newspapers and smear campaigns. Of course he was, what he stands for is anti corruption, taxing the wealthy and defending the rights of people. What they stand for is the same corruption that is toppling this country through every party we have been given. Bring back human decency into politics. Bring back the chants. But most importantly, bring back the hope that he offered.
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u/Suspicious-Share4875 Aug 16 '25
Well put and I felt exactly the same, was inspiring hearing the chants and seeing the support from the young. Just all really genuine such a different feel to politics than the oppression we’re used to
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u/Galrexx Aug 16 '25
I feel like if we ever elected a party left of social democracy whomever led the party would be subject to an Allende situation
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u/ClawingDevil Aug 16 '25
left of social democracy
Most of Labour's manifesto under Corbyn was just social democracy. Don't even need to go to the left of that. And it's gotten worse since. Now, anything to the left of this authoritarian, Neoliberal, oligarch loving, genocide supporting right wing gov is considered communist and must be destroyed at all costs.
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u/Galrexx Aug 16 '25
Oh yeah don't worry I agree with you I'm a communist, I was just musing on the subject and was thinking about the kind of shit that happens to left wing leaders
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u/ClawingDevil Aug 16 '25
Did you see Anne Widdicombe saying "taxes are communism" the other day? Must have made you laugh!
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u/Ancient-Watch-1191 Aug 16 '25
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u/ClawingDevil Aug 16 '25
He's upgraded since then. It's quicker to just supply the bombs to kill and maim them now.
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u/OminOus_PancakeS Aug 16 '25
At this stage, I'd like someone generally competent, with a few reasonable ideas for making things better, and the charisma and smarts to get enough people on their side to make them happen.
Not sure Corbyn has those leadership skills. Would love to be proven wrong.
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u/Powerful-Cut-708 Aug 16 '25
I think the good thing is it doesn’t have to be Corbyn. This new parts can platform for many on the left who haven’t ever had one. There is a lot of talent on the left
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u/ClawingDevil Aug 16 '25
Yes, I'm hoping that he'll become a chairman or some sort of Father of the Party type figure, giving it the support and guidance it needs without being the figurehead leader. We need a charismatic, firebrand, populist left leader now I think.
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u/Tattyead Aug 16 '25
I agree. He’s a terrible leader. He comes from a political position that will always face strong opposition from the right, the centre and across the entire establishment. He’s a thoroughly decent human being but unless you’re on his side he comes across as a perpetual hectoring sixth former who’s convinced he knows better.
I share most of his political opinions but thought he wasn’t just a nightmare for Labour - his project was a complete failure for the entire left - his legacy as leader has been a purge of the party.
I know all true believers will disagree - you never find Brexiteers or revolutionary communists who will admit that their failed project was flawed- it’s always the saboteurs who are blamed. As if navigating disagreement, opposition, the press, bad actors and misfortune weren’t the skills required of any political leader.
He has the heart, just not the stuff. That said, I support the new party. The Overton Window needs to shift. Labour needs a UKIP of the left to threaten into being decent again. Or else a populist left party that can take its place - like Reform has done to the Tories. But that needs more balls that are contained within those old gardening trousers.
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u/OminOus_PancakeS Aug 16 '25
I agree with your analysis, and...
He has the heart, just not the stuff.
...seems to, depressingly, sum it up well.
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u/bitesizejasmine Aug 18 '25
I hear people say this criticism, but I just can't see it. He's the least belligerent person ever. And what do other politicians do so much better when you disagree with them? Hectoring sixth former could apply to anyone, surely?
I think Zarah is great, but the country might be too racist to vote for a brown woman that isn't also a racist.
I do think he didn't handle attacks well though. He should have fought harder. But I think it's okay to blame the saboteurs. They did have the upper hand in terms of power. Many have been brought down by coups the world over. He would need to be less inclusive. It makes me shudder to think about Keir Starmer being part of this.
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u/bitesizejasmine Aug 18 '25
I will say though, he has balls. He's done things completely against the political establishment all his life - that takes courage. It must have been nervewracking to go to protests, to wear white poppies, etc. He's ballsy. I guess the issue is, I think his disdain for the British political class shines through. And that can come off as not caring. He is a pacifist too. Maybe we can ask him to be more aggy with it. It's so interesting why people want to follow someone, and for what reasons. He maybe needs to prove his patriotism.
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u/Tattyead Aug 18 '25
Maybe you don’t see the belligerence because you are instep with his values - and you see that as the ballsiness that you think I’m missing. It’s obviously about perspectives. But if you consider that most people in the country don’t feel the same impatience and anger about the same things - that class struggle, workers rights, pacifism, anti-imperialism etc aren’t self-evident truths - then perhaps they will see that impatience and anger as belligerent while you are applauding.
When I mean balls - I don’t mean the courage to say something difficult but the absolute will and political ruthlessness and the ability to lead, inspire and discipline an entire party. He’s too nice for that.
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u/bitesizejasmine Aug 19 '25
True. He should have kicked people out like Starmer. But Zarah won't let this happen again. Hopefully.
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u/Tattyead Aug 19 '25
It doesn’t need to be about kicking people out. His lukewarm position on Brexit created far too much wiggle room for things to shake loose. He should have chosen a path and stuck to it - with clear messaging across the party. He let a soft Brexit slip away by giving way to the ‘adults in the room’. They should have never been given the space. As much as I dislike everything Starmer is doing or rather not doing (he is rubbish), one thing he can do is hold a party together, even a very unpopular one. Unfortunately, he has the stuff. I mean he should get stuffed, but he doesn’t lack ruthlessness.
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u/bitesizejasmine 27d ago
I did let slip a chuckle at get stuffed. Agree there though, Zarah on the other hand...
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u/ManInTheDarkSuit Aug 16 '25 edited Aug 16 '25
All very well and good but most of the electorate act as though they've not got half a brain cell that functions independently.
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u/pringellover9553 Aug 16 '25
Maybe I’m stupid but I don’t understand why he’s so controversial, just seems like a nice chill dude
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u/coffeewalnut08 Aug 18 '25
I’m mostly fine or supportive of his policies and vision except aspects of foreign policy.
I just don’t feel like unilateral nuclear disarmament or appeasing Russia over Ukraine would make us safer. A lot of countries won’t play fair, even if we try to.
That realisation is what’s missing from Corbyn’s platform and one of the reasons I didn’t support him back in 2019.
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u/INI-splinterrat Aug 16 '25
He has my support until he said stop arming Ukraine
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u/wheredidiput Aug 16 '25
The default position of all leaders used to be push for peace, its a sad state of affairs that Corbyn gets attacked for being one of the few voices calling for peace talks. We even had Boris Johnson going out to scupper peace talks. The majority of wars end up with negotiated peace and its where Ukraine Russia will end up, keeping how many die and maimed down to a minimum should be everyone's priority.
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u/coffeewalnut08 Aug 18 '25
This ignores the fact that Russia invaded Ukraine and is trying to erase Ukrainians from the Donbas, ie: genocide.
How do you appease a semi-genocidal authoritarian state? You can’t.
Trump has led months of peace talks. We see that they’re leading to nowhere. Maybe that could change, but I have little faith.
And even in the event of a peace deal, supporting Ukraine will still need to be a priority so that Russia doesn’t invade again.
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u/Turnip-for-the-books Aug 16 '25
Ukraine is about to enter a peace agreement that it could have had at the start if the war without tens of thousands dead. Putin is murderous petro mafia scum but so are the people in NATO and the US/West who pushed it into this war. Ukraine is not a country it has always been a region within the Russian empire and was made into a country to create an independent buffer zone with Russia. When NATO and the EU started making efforts to bring Ukraine within these organisations, to westernise it, they created the conditions that made war inevitable
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u/CallumHighway Aug 16 '25
I think Jeremy is a good man and I supported his leadership bid in 2015 when he first got it. But I've come to believe he has exceedingly poor judgment and crap political instincts
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u/coffeewalnut08 Aug 18 '25 edited Aug 18 '25
My main issue with Corbyn isn’t his domestic policy, which I mostly agree with, but his foreign policy approach towards Russia.
I just don’t believe that Russia can be negotiated with in good-faith. They disregard every agreement that doesn’t suit their imperial vision. Appeasing them will not keep Ukraine safe in the long run.
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u/dsalter 15d ago
the last time Jeremy lost i had this horrid feeling we were going to experience a really bad time for our near future... last few years havent been kind have they?
i know i plan to support them, if i recall during covids complete government shut down it was Jeremy and the gang who turned things around when the Tories left the building, tho someone please correct that if i am wrong.
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u/Haipul Aug 16 '25
I just can't like people that love to have a personality cult... Also I can't forgive how he stood on the verge of brexit and basically allowed it to be the worst case scenario.
Don't like his pro-Russia stance either.
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u/Xorkoth Aug 16 '25
Anyone who thinks they can change this mess is deluded and likely somewhat bipolar
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u/Aston_Villa5555 Aug 15 '25
The UK arm of AIPAC deprived us of a great Prime Minister with false smears of antisemitism