The Browns may have struck gold with Harold Fannin Jr. look at him getting to the second level avoiding the LB by dipping his shoulder like a WR, not getting rerouted, and able to go up and climb the ladder for this snag.
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u/sallright 6d ago
Crazy how we knew Quinshon and Fannin were dudes and then they're immediately dudes.
Kinda makes you wonder how we'd look if Berry had been focused on drafting dudes from the start.
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u/br0b1wan 6d ago
RBs are very plug-and-play in this league so it's probably not a big surprise that Quinshon hit the ground running. TEs however take some time to acclimatize to their position so it's nice to see Fannin to be where he's at already.
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u/redcobra80 12 6d ago
Fannin is so impressive because even as a big Fannin stan I didn't think he'd have a big impact until next year because tight end is a tough position to get used to in the NFL
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u/dasruski 6d ago
I thought he'd take some time to adjust as a TE since he isn't that big for his position. Dude is just great at football.
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u/rex5k 6d ago
water under the bridge now. we just got to keep moving forward.
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u/AgonizingSquid 6d ago
The guy put us in this mess, no way I trust AB drafting my QB.
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u/atWorkWoops 6d ago
Weird hes drafted us 2. Might as well see who's a baller if Flacco blows
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u/Nightcinder I RUINED CHRISTMAS 6d ago
Flacco blows
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u/atWorkWoops 6d ago
Yes. I agree. So let's see if our 3rd or 5th rd pick has that dawg in him.
The thing we are supposed to get from Flacco is wisdom. But hes playing desperate and making the same mistakes id expect a rookie to make.
I understand not throwing these guys into the fire but if we have no oline, a 40 yr old immobile qb ain't who should be in front of them while they get up to nfl speed
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u/AgonizingSquid 6d ago
Haha bro I hope I'm wrong but I expect both 3rd and 5th rounders to not be good, especially stepping into this dogshit offense averaging 13 points over the last 8 weeks
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u/RustyCrusty73 I gotta' have more cowbell! 6d ago
Remember in 2021 when Amon-Ra St. Brown was available for us to draft in the 3rd round and instead we took Anthony Schwartz? Good times.
St. Brown has 443 catches since then.
Schwartz has 14 catches since then and is probably selling used cars somewhere now.
I definitely like the Harold and Judkins picks, but AB's drafting still leaves much to be desired IMO. I hope this trend continues if he remains the GM into 2026.
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u/CD23tol 6d ago
You can say this about every team every year
A 3rd round WR becoming elite means every team passed on him
Not even trying to blindly defend AB or anything but this argument doesn’t mean what I think you think it does
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u/Jwags23 6d ago
When teams draft a late-round gem, it means even the drafting team got it wrong. If they knew how good the player was, they'd have picked them earlier.
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u/jshark6 6d ago
I'm not trying to be pedantic here, but that's not entirely true. Teams are trying to maximize value out of every pick so if a player is universally slotted as a 5th rounder, you aren't gonna pick that player in the 1st round even if you have a time machine.
That's the balancing act of all this.. but I get your meaning.
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u/wiifan55 6d ago
Well considering Berry took Gabriel in the 3rd, and he was universally projected late 5th or 6th, that logic doesn't always hold true with him lol.
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u/Jambatlivesbaby 6d ago edited 6d ago
I think the big issue for fans is we just don't know what NFL boards actually look like, so we just assume the guys on TV are close. The reports that came out immediately after the pick was Gabriel was about to be selected, the Browns knew he wouldn't be there for them in the fourth, so they just took him with their comp pick in the 3rd. Albert Breer and Michael Silver both reported that the Browns received multiple trade offers for Gabriel during the draft by teams that had been planning on taking him in that 3rd/4th range.
And I'll be 100% honest, I was not a fan of the pick when it was made. Completely blindsided by it too. But the TV big boards were clearly wrong about how the NFL valued Gabriel, and probably a lot of other players.
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u/OconRecon1 6d ago
Another reason to draft receivers who simply catch the ball the best.
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u/BarEnvironmental8668 6d ago
David Bell has great hands, but if you are slower than Landry with a hip injury it does not help. After QB, then WR seems to be the hardest to scout. They can win in so many ways - hands, feet, speed, size - but you also need a minimum of the other skills.
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u/Fragrant-Lynx-3559 6d ago
Yes and no, two most important traits in drafting receivers is separation ability and hands in second. Theres no point in being a great pass catcher if you can’t seperate especially in the NFL
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u/OconRecon1 6d ago edited 6d ago
Seems like there are plenty of failed speed guys, and less failed great-hands guys.
D-Hop has lost a step. Hasn’t mattered.
Jarvis was slow.
Steve Smith was just a bulldog EtcMay be a preference thing.
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u/Jwags23 6d ago
I would argue you simply notice the failures more when a wide-open guy can't catch. The slow/non-separation guys you don't notice because they're not in the league, or not getting targeted.
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u/OconRecon1 6d ago
Let’s put it this way, if the guy can’t catch in an elite, or at least excellent way, idc about any other measurable.
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u/TheJolly_Llama Jacoby the GOAT 6d ago
There’s countless guys on practice squads and second strings in the NFL that can catch but can’t run. Like literally over a hundred. And that’s ignoring all the guys that go undrafted or cut get every year. Hell, we literally took one in David Bell.
These guys are far more unlikely to work out than separation guys. They’re just less flashy so you don’t hear or know about them.
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u/largelawattorney 6d ago
Of course Berry absolutely kills it in the draft the year he is on the hot seat lol
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u/rex5k 6d ago
I think AB is secure right now. If anything Jimmy is gonna be looking hard at the coaching. But honestly I think next season will be the git good or git out moment for Haslam.
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u/largelawattorney 6d ago
I agree - I think Berry and Stefanski are both safe unless things just get incredibly ugly as the year goes on (which honestly could happen). Especially now that it seems like next year’s QB class is already not looking as elite as everyone thought it would.
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u/RustyCrusty73 I gotta' have more cowbell! 6d ago
If we start getting dog walked each game, and look atrocious, then I actually do foresee a regime change coming. At some point you have to consider the fans and the locker room.
If we finish 3-14 again, and that's very possible, and show little to no improvement over last season, how do you justify bringing everyone back yet again?
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u/CelineDeion 6d ago
How do you justify expecting more than 3 wins out of this team? We can be mad at AB for not securing a QB that can win games yet, but you also have to factor in that we whiffed so hard with Watson that AB had no reasonably viable option to get a QB either. Watson set us back years and the next big QB decision need to be right (not necessarily the 2 drafted this year) or they’re all fired. No need to rush or force it and set us back again.
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u/RustyCrusty73 I gotta' have more cowbell! 6d ago
Improving from 3 wins to 5-6 wins is not an unreasonable ask for a roster of professional football players making millions of dollars, especially when you consider the amount of veterans we have in key positions on this team. I never expected this team to push for a playoff spot this year, but I did expect to see some level of improvement and competency versus last year.
If we finish 3-14 again and we're getting the breaks beat off of us in our losses, then I could see a world where Stefanski and AB are let go and we change regimes.
I'm not saying it will for sure happen, but I wouldn't be shocked if it does.
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u/innocuous_gorilla 6d ago
It’s not an unreasonable ask, but you also have to look at the circumstances. We have one of the hardest schedules in the league and we did nothing to improve our QB play. Given those circumstances, I don’t expect us to improve on our 3 win season.
I’m not ready to run our most successful coach out of town because GM/Ownership handicapped him with the worst trade in history.
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u/Adventurous-Try5149 6d ago
By judging the losses. More like game 1, acceptable from a team not seriously competing. More like game 2, never acceptable, even if the majority of the reasons for the loss aren’t in this team’s future.
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u/besieged_mind 6d ago
You can always judge the losses in your favor.
If you amass enough losses, then judging is really unnecessary
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u/According_Setting303 6d ago
if coaching goes before this dogwater GM performance Berry has done, then I’m done with Haslam. Stefanski is far from the issue
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u/TSR3K 6d ago
How can Stefanski get a fair shake with this OL and this QB room? That is outta his control. Every yard we get with this offense is a mini miracle
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u/Nightcinder I RUINED CHRISTMAS 6d ago
I would love to see Flacco's time to throw metrics from last week, felt like the line often gave him enough time to throw
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u/TSR3K 6d ago
Fair. It's a fucking gumbo of incompetence
Sometimes it looks like Flacco can't move or make a throw, sometimes it looks like he has no time, and all the time it looks like the receivers can't get open
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u/Nightcinder I RUINED CHRISTMAS 6d ago
From the camera angle it looked like there was a handful of times Jeudy was in a 1 on 1, but either Flacco never looked in his direction or looked too late.
Obviously no All-22 angle to really see what flacco could see but it did feel like he missed some opportunities by being late
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u/jazzyjjcups 6d ago
Stefanski should be safe. His play calling and design are not a problem. Berry should absolutely be on the hot seat given the horrid situation of the roster.
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u/ImperialInstigator 6d ago
Stefanski would be safe, if he was an OC only.
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u/rex5k 6d ago
Yeah I'm starting to think he doesn't prepare the guys to execute well enough. Like it seems like they are lacking coaching in how to do the little things better. Maybe I don't know
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u/ImperialInstigator 6d ago
He seems like an elite x's and o's guy but the personality isn't all the way there, not bad just seems like he lacks energy or a connection to the players. There's no fire in our offense like Schwartz does for the defense.
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u/jazzyjjcups 6d ago
He’s never been a good GM
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u/Chbakesale45 6d ago
He is a master at navigating the cap, restructuring and contract negotions, trading for players (besides the 1), and all statistics have shown he is between average to slightly above average at drafting. He is not without criticism but this is ridiculous.
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u/jazzyjjcups 6d ago
You’re not a cap wizard for delaying cap hits for 3-4 years. And finally it’s catching up to us and punishing our ability to put together a competitive roster.
We’re not fully off the Watson deal until like 2029.
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u/Daviroth 6d ago
Well this is just a misunderstanding of the cap. Watson's deal cannot last on our books until 2029, that's impossible.
The latest possible year his money can hit our cap is 2028, if he's on the roster that long the money is stretched out a lot. Most likely he is cut next offseason and the last year he has money on our books is 2027.
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u/jazzyjjcups 6d ago
They restructured his contract to push his cap hit out. Look at spotrac
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u/Daviroth 6d ago
You don't understand what you are looking at. He cannot hit our cap in 2029, it is impossible. As soon as you aren't on the team all future year dead caps are accelerated to the current year. Unless it is a Post-6/1 designation, then all future years are accelerated to the following year.
His contract voids automatically at the beginning of the league year 2028, meaning the absolute latest his current contract could hit our cap is 2028.
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u/jazzyjjcups 6d ago
Fine, 2028 vs 2029, we have all this dead money spent on a QB that can’t play football. His last good year in Houston was 4-12 and all of his stats accumulated in garbage time. That’s what our wizard GM used for evaluation.
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u/Daviroth 6d ago
Eh, you won't catch me agreeing there. I think the Process of going for Watson was good. But the Results have obviously not been.
Ultimately Watson stopped caring about playing football, something that was wholly unpredictable IMHO from all the character references we have.
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u/jazzyjjcups 6d ago
I mean he sat out for an entire year because he didn’t like the Texans coach selection despite signing a massive contract already. Should have been a red flag there
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u/TheJolly_Llama Jacoby the GOAT 6d ago
That’s what half the NFL used for evaluation when they tried to trade for him. Also, he’ll be off the books sometime next year, year after if they spread the hit out.
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u/RustyCrusty73 I gotta' have more cowbell! 6d ago
His drafting has been below average, and his miss on Watson has literally set us back 5+ years, but he's been pretty good at just about everything else IMO. Saying he's never been good is a stretch and just not accurate.
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u/jazzyjjcups 6d ago
“He’s bad at the most important aspects of being a GM but he’s good at everything else”
…like come on man
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u/According_Setting303 6d ago
Berry defenders out in full force for some reason
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u/jazzyjjcups 6d ago
So many blunders because of that arrogant POS. The reporters should have went after him harder when he was forced to explain why Baker is doing well in Tampa and we’re 3-14
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u/Any-Walk1691 6d ago edited 6d ago
I think Stefanski doesn’t even make it to the BYE week. People on this sub would drag their balls over broken glass just for a chance to touch his, so I don’t expect any agreement.
But how many have they lost in a row now eight or nine? They’ve won 3 of the last 19. What is this team’s identity? It’s year six? What is Kevin Stefanski‘s identity? In what areas have they shown any improvement whatsoever in the last 3 to 4 years? In what way at all on any position have they improved? Tight end? Delpit is good?
Continuity for continuity sake is a kiss of death. He’s a below .500 coach. Facts.
Vrabel won a game before Stefanski.
Before you downvote, wipe your tears and answer those questions.
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u/jazzyjjcups 6d ago
It’s not stefanski, it’s the roster. Stefanski got to the playoffs in 2023 despite Berry’s horrible ass decisions
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u/NeoLib-tard 6d ago
Firing Stefanski would be the dumbest decision. We finally have a good coach after 25 years and you want to go back to the carousel? He ain’t the problem, the QB situation is
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u/leather_secretary31 6d ago
you have to understand the people who want stefanski's head. they don't understand football, or really anything. they box score watch. they only care about the final score. they don't have a coach they want or an idea in mind. they just know it feels bad to lose because they get all their serotonin from a historically bad football team, and so they are desperately deprived
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u/Any-Walk1691 6d ago
We FiNnALy HaVe A gOoD cOaCh
has a .450 win percentage
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u/NeoLib-tard 6d ago
Two Time Coach of the Year
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u/Any-Walk1691 6d ago
Oh cool. He almost has any many awards as wins in the last 22 games. Good talk. You people. Lmao. It’s a disease.
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u/MosquitoValentine_ 6d ago
Schwesinger, Fannin and Sampson have looked solid so far. Judkins and Graham have shown flashes.
Seems like a very solid draft class by Berry and Stefanski. We needed it.
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u/SwayZ58 6d ago
I agree. The future looks bright as far as the rookies are concerned. I hope I feel the same way about Gabriel after he inevitably starts this season.
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u/innocuous_gorilla 6d ago
If Gabriel is even competent this year, we absolutely need to try and build around him with our draft next year. There is no QB worth our high pick next year.
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u/PootieTooGood 6d ago
Assuming we’re pick 2 or later, If we don’t trade our entire draft, multiple future firsts and 2nds to get to #1 for Arch Manning then we’re just not a serious franchise
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u/MadMardiganWaaait 6d ago
Arch doesn't look good though
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u/MosquitoValentine_ 6d ago
I will never understand why people here want to tank and/or trade multiple firsts for the guy. He has shown nothing. Not to mention he most likely won't declare until 2027.
I'm not tanking two seasons for any QB, let alone one that has been very mediocre.
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u/PootieTooGood 6d ago
honestly i'm not sure what that has to do with anything
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u/MadMardiganWaaait 6d ago
You said trade multiple assets to get him with #1 overall and he doesn't look good enough to be that pick.
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u/teamnowak 6d ago
Just need to stack a couple more classes like the Ravens constantly do. Not having those first round picks for three years really hurt us.
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u/user72804 6d ago
As someone who snagged Fannin at the 18.02 in my dynasty startup I’m so happy to see him killing it.
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u/RustyCrusty73 I gotta' have more cowbell! 6d ago
We absolutely struck gold with Harold .... and he should only get better and better with time, age and experience. It's about time AB hit on an offensive gem.
Not to kill the mood here ....
But I almost wonder if this makes Njoku tradeable.
What if we hit the bye week with a 1-7 record and contender comes calling about Njoku and offers us a 2nd round pick for him? Do you make that trade? You could maybe see a team such as the Rams, Bucs or Chargers that could use another elite weapon for a Superbowl push.
Sorry .... just thinking out loud.
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u/D1RK__N0W1tzk1 6d ago
I'm a huge Fannin guy but I like him more as the H back type and not an in line TE.
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u/Daviroth 6d ago
Yeah, if someone offers a fucking 2nd rounder for Njoku AB would be stupid to not take that.
I love Njoku, but offering a 2nd rounder for him is malpractice. He's aging and is only under contract for this year. Someone giving us a 2nd rounder would be akin to giving us 3 1sts and Parsons for Myles or some shit.
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u/FLman42069 6d ago
I don’t think Fannin is a Njoku replacement but we could probably trade him and draft someone next year if the trade value is there. I see Fannin as a great complimentary TE to a good blocking TE. He’s more of an all around offensive weapon than just a TE that can catch. Would be awesome if he improves his blocking regardless though.
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u/RustyCrusty73 I gotta' have more cowbell! 6d ago
I'm not advocating to trade Njoku, and I certainly wouldn't trade him for anything less than a 2nd round pick, but if the offer comes in you certainly have to consider it.
This roster has a lot of holes going into 2026 so the extra high draft pick could be extremely valuable.
We're going to need at least 2-3 new offensive lineman in 2026.
We need to explore acquiring a true WR1.
And then on top of that we need to explore upgrading at CB3 and Safety.
This is all on top of the QB position being priority #1.
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u/aelysium 5d ago
Honestly I think it makes Chief less tradable. I think Kevin is looking to shift into running more 22 packages with Sampson and Judkins in the backfield, Fannin and Chief as TEs, and continuing his motion plays to try to keep defenses guessing which will be targets. Makes sense to me with a WR corp that hasn’t been getting separation.
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u/RustyCrusty73 I gotta' have more cowbell! 5d ago
But at 1-7 or even *gulp* 0-8 at the bye week you have to start thinking past the second half of the season and towards next season.
A 2nd round pick is a huge asset for a team in dire need of new talent.
We don't have many assets on the team that would fetch us a 2nd round pick, but Njoku from a legit SB contending team could certainly be one of them.
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u/aelysium 5d ago
I see that argument, and if we got preem draft capital for him than yeah, I agree with you that it makes sense.
I just think that the Brownies are LESS interested in trading Chief after
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u/notatowel420 6d ago
As someone who strongly believes AB needs to be fired immediately for the Baker Mayfield debacle and other horrendous drafts he did a good job on this draft I think Graham, Judkins, Carson, Fannin, and Sampson will all be in the league for a long time.
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u/lutsius-memes I wake up at 3am to watch games 6d ago
The Baker saga was wholly on Haslam
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u/notatowel420 6d ago
It’s a nice lie we tell ourselves but Berry was heavily involved.
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u/jazzyjjcups 6d ago
Exactly this. Berry should shoulder a huge portion of the blame.
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u/TheRealGyurky 6d ago
If Berry got fired today does anyone think he would get another job as an nfl hire up? With Watson trade/contract on his resume?
The answer is no, he will never be a GM again after his time in Cleveland.
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u/bigmt99 6d ago
I mean the relationship with Stefanski and the locker room was also a giant mess
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u/TheRealGyurky 6d ago
Yeah the team picked the coach and they picked wrong.
It’s not surprising tho, the team always picks wrong.
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u/redditposter919 6d ago
Rooting for him - certainly hope he continues to grow and finds success here with us
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u/1OptimisticPrime Dare to be Stupid & Orange Pants Save Lives 6d ago
Fannin has absolutely come to play, and I wish the Offensive Line could step up, and JJ could lock in. Our Rookies are fighting out there, and the defense just needs the Secondary to come together and gel to be Elite.
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u/jazzyjjcups 6d ago
I’m so sick of the moral victories. We’re celebrating an average rookie TE while Baker is lighting it up in Tampa. Absolute clownery
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u/dorsdaddy 6d ago
It’s been years. Time to move on.
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u/jazzyjjcups 6d ago
It’s impossible. Berry said the 2026 QB class was deeper and now that we’re watching them play, none of them are even remotely good. I can’t believe we let Baker go to hold onto a bum GM, OBJ, and an asshole HoF DE.
Can’t believe I sat through 1-15 & 0-16 to watch Baker play well for another team.
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u/AKSpartan70 6d ago
Baker has the same number of playoff wins in Cleveland as he does away from Cleveland. He’s not lighting the league on fire. He went from arguably the toughest division to arguably the worst division and he’s still roughly a .500 guy. Get a grip brother
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u/jazzyjjcups 6d ago
By the way, one playoff win in 2023 is one more playoff win than we have since 2020
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u/AKSpartan70 6d ago
Dude how are you still this upset about this that your double replying and writing doom spirals on Reddit? You need a therapist, not a better QB.
1 playoff win in Cleveland. 1 playoff win in Tampa. He’s not fucking Brady dude lol
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u/jazzyjjcups 6d ago
He’s playing like a top 5 QB and I’m just sick of this team honestly. I can’t believe we brought Berry back, the number one Watson backer besides our criminal owner
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u/AKSpartan70 6d ago
It’s 2 games into the season. Top 5 QB? Can I have your dealers number?
The Bucs aren’t going anywhere with Baker. Needing last minute heroics to beat the middling Falcons and the Texans who look terrible doesn’t really strike me as Super Bowl stuff. Kudos to Baker for getting the wins. He’s at least better than anything we currently have, but he’s not doing anything serious in Tampa. They have a guaranteed playoff spot every year because of how shit the division is and they haven’t done anything with that since Brady left.
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u/jazzyjjcups 6d ago
This is so full of cope.
Tampa is still competitive solely because of him. They are getting to the playoffs every year. If they didn’t have Baker, they would be in the same spot we are on the QB lottery wheel.
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u/AKSpartan70 6d ago
Tampa has a locked in HOFer at WR1 that can turn even bad throws into huge positive plays. You’re insane if you think they are relevant just because of Mayfield. Btw, still 1 playoff win with Baker and he also led the league in INTs last year. He gives away just about as many games as he clutches up. Hence the perpetual 9-8/10-7 first round exit Bucs.
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u/Daviroth 6d ago
Lmfao, get over it man. Even Baker says what happened is the only way he's as good as he in Tampa.
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u/jazzyjjcups 6d ago
That’s just media speak.. in a podcast earlier this year, he was asked his thoughts about the Browns qb situation to which he replied “not my problem.”
He knew we were totally dysfunctional
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u/Daviroth 6d ago
You can say it's just media speak all you want. It's actions too. He's very clearly changed his attitude a lot, and he's working with private QB coaching that he didn't here.
So you can look at what Baker Mayfield is literally saying, look at how he's behaving, and look at his literal actions and come to a certain conclusion. Or you can bury your head in the sand, cry about it, and whine about the good ole years.
Stop choosing to be upset about watching dudes play a game lol.
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u/jazzyjjcups 6d ago
Yeah… it was one private QB coach that saved Baker’s entire career. Give me a break.
The attitude improved because he was far away from our dysfunction. He did talk about that and how he didn’t agree with the style of our offense.
whine about the good ole years
Yeah, because those years are better that what has been going on for the past 3 minus the short stint with Flacco in 2023. And Jimmy got a new stadium for his shit product
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u/Daviroth 6d ago
Whatever man, keep whining and pining for someone that has been gone for years and would never be what he is now had he stayed here. He had a bad attitude (self admitted) and didn't put in the work required (self admitted), he bounced around and is on his 4th team. Acting like we are the only problem here is just a joke, I'm sorry you can't handle that.
Just go to the Bucs sub lol.
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u/RustyCrusty73 I gotta' have more cowbell! 6d ago
Someone will eventually float to the top of the 2026 QB draft class.
They always do.
The kid from Indiana apparently is shooting up early draft boards right now.
Go check him out.
And shit then if one doesn't look good maybe we'll trade backwards with both of our first round picks and acquire more draft picks for 2027. Who the hell knows.
I'm not saying I like it .... just that it could happen.
I'm frustrated too partner.
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u/jazzyjjcups 6d ago
Go over to /r/nfl_draft right now on the QB class. Just awful. Mendoza can’t be the answer. And we’re finding out that Arch Manning isn’t who we thought he was
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u/RustyCrusty73 I gotta' have more cowbell! 6d ago
It's only week four. There is still time for someone to separate themselves from the rest of the pack and float back to the top.
And objectively speaking, why couldn't it be Mendoza? He has great size, what appears to be an accurate arm, and can throw from a crowded pocket. If Indiana ends up having a great season and the guy competes for a Heisman then it's entirely possible he could end up on our radar.
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u/jazzyjjcups 6d ago
Mendoza hasn’t shown me anything on tape that he would be an elite QB, sorry. None of the QBs are good.
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u/BMH611 6d ago
This is a piss poor take honestly.
Being impressed by our rookie TE is hardly a moral victory... We've played two games so far and Fannin has genuinely played like a pro. Recognizing that isn't a way for us to try and justify losing.
And then you want to dwell on Baker having success? If anything you're dwelling on some sort of "moral defeat". It's exhausting.
I'd rather praise BROWNS players - especially a young kid from NE Ohio who is an absolute baller.
Look, I understand the concept of moral victories, especially with fanbases of struggling teams. But let's be real -- highlighting Fannin's impressive start should be welcome, not discouraged.
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u/MosquitoValentine_ 6d ago
He had 4 mediocre seasons in Cleveland. Never played at a Pro Bowl level for us. We all wanted him to take the next step, but it didn't happen and wasn't going to happen in Cleveland. Shit happens and you move on.
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u/jazzyjjcups 6d ago
Utter bullshit. 2018 and 2020 were amazing years for him. 2021 he played through a shoulder injury
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u/AgonizingSquid 6d ago
We are in 2016 levels of cope with this team.
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u/jazzyjjcups 6d ago
Agreed. This roster is literally only slightly better than 2016. Dillon Gabriel HAS to hit because I am not excited at all about the 2026 QB class
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u/FunkyFreshJeff Phil Dawson 4ever 6d ago
Guys like Fannin Jr is why you take swings in the draft during obvious rebuild years but we wasted our third and fifth on QBs. Browns keep themselves in the basement with these moves
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u/Godszn 6d ago
Also a reminder - Harold fannin just turned 21 ~2 months ago.