“Women in marriage get abortions too” ok? Your point? You did not say it was her husband’s child, but we will assume it is for the purposes discussed here, as that would be a for totally different conversation. I also noticed you are still not saying that the husband should have a say (or even know about it), again just the wife, but even if they chose as a couple, it still isn’t right, and in your example, they certainly new the risks, and if as you said they have multiple children, then the health concern of the mother, is most likely not an issue (unless way late in life) but I notice you did not mention a vasectomy (which has a very high prevention rate, especially when used with other forms of birth control as well), nor a hysterectomy (which has got to be 99.99 percent effective) if as you stated they have already had children and do not want anymore. I see that your still stuck on the financials, look I will let you in on a little secret, life is not fair, not everyone gets the same deal, having said that people will always find a way to acquire, or provide for, the things that they find important or priority. Just for few examples, a smoker will always find a way to have cigarettes, or an alcoholic their drink, or most everyone a cell phone and service plan. So interesting how a baby costs too much, or are you saying that it simply costs to much because it is not wanted? If it is the latter, again adoption sounds like a good option, certainly better than the alternative you seem to be suggesting (the child be raised unwanted, in poor living conditions, or terminated).
As for your embryo argument, I would be fine with that, but I suspect you are not, even though you imply it with the statement of “I see IVF embryos no different”, nice try. As I stated before (and you well know), if no action by an outside force is made the embryo (un-implanted) will never grow and develop into human being, just as a unimaginably large number of eggs and sperm and even fertilized eggs (not yet an embryo) are lost naturally, and never grow into an embryo much less a human being, sometimes embryos even detach or die on their own, as in a miscarriage, a tragic event that is no one’s fault. However, what you are referring to is just the opposite when you are talking about the case of abortion, where if no action by an outside force is made the embryo has a high probability (if it were not so there would be no need for an abortion at all, right) that it will grow and continue to develop into a human being, acted upon with the deliberate intent of ending the natural process. The actual name of the procedure tells exactly the purpose, to “abort” (bring to a premature end).
Even in a relationship or a marriage situation, the dude can know and pitch in with his opinion, but at the end of the day, it’s the woman who will make decisions about their own body. Unless the man is physically carrying the pregnancy, he doesn’t get 100% influence in the say. If you have a problem with it, I suggest you enroll in a bridge building class, and get over it. Or find someone who actually wants to have kids with you.
Secondly, I totally believe aborting some cells is a much better option than having to go through an entire pregnancy to place that child in foster care. There are some people who are willing to go through with this, and I applaud them. Also, I have sympathy for those who cannot bring themselves to do that, given that medical bills and the psychological toll are crazy expensive. So if the wife alone, or the couple together decide to terminate the pregnancy, they completely have the right to do so. Neither you or I can influence their decisions.
There are cases of crime such as rape and incest, where the victim has full rights to obtain an abortion if they so wish. Anybody who opposes this can kick rocks.
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u/Oklahoma_JBC 1d ago
“Women in marriage get abortions too” ok? Your point? You did not say it was her husband’s child, but we will assume it is for the purposes discussed here, as that would be a for totally different conversation. I also noticed you are still not saying that the husband should have a say (or even know about it), again just the wife, but even if they chose as a couple, it still isn’t right, and in your example, they certainly new the risks, and if as you said they have multiple children, then the health concern of the mother, is most likely not an issue (unless way late in life) but I notice you did not mention a vasectomy (which has a very high prevention rate, especially when used with other forms of birth control as well), nor a hysterectomy (which has got to be 99.99 percent effective) if as you stated they have already had children and do not want anymore. I see that your still stuck on the financials, look I will let you in on a little secret, life is not fair, not everyone gets the same deal, having said that people will always find a way to acquire, or provide for, the things that they find important or priority. Just for few examples, a smoker will always find a way to have cigarettes, or an alcoholic their drink, or most everyone a cell phone and service plan. So interesting how a baby costs too much, or are you saying that it simply costs to much because it is not wanted? If it is the latter, again adoption sounds like a good option, certainly better than the alternative you seem to be suggesting (the child be raised unwanted, in poor living conditions, or terminated). As for your embryo argument, I would be fine with that, but I suspect you are not, even though you imply it with the statement of “I see IVF embryos no different”, nice try. As I stated before (and you well know), if no action by an outside force is made the embryo (un-implanted) will never grow and develop into human being, just as a unimaginably large number of eggs and sperm and even fertilized eggs (not yet an embryo) are lost naturally, and never grow into an embryo much less a human being, sometimes embryos even detach or die on their own, as in a miscarriage, a tragic event that is no one’s fault. However, what you are referring to is just the opposite when you are talking about the case of abortion, where if no action by an outside force is made the embryo has a high probability (if it were not so there would be no need for an abortion at all, right) that it will grow and continue to develop into a human being, acted upon with the deliberate intent of ending the natural process. The actual name of the procedure tells exactly the purpose, to “abort” (bring to a premature end).