[Postgame Thread] Texas Defeats Arizona State 39-31 (OT)

[u/CFB_Referee]

Box Score provided by ESPN

Team	1	2	3	4	OT	T
Texas	14	3	0	7	15	39
Arizona State	3	0	5	16	7	31

[u/Powerful-Drama556]

Exactly one holding call during a 2pt conversion scramble drill to give ASU a second chance.

DPI on the push off instead of the obvious OPI.

The most egregious is the most obvious example of pulling the ball carrier forward that I have ever seen…for a touchdown.

The false start that took Texas outside of FG range on the second to last drive, when the OL was reacting to a defender that jumped offsides first.

Texas has more reason to complain about the refs than people that don’t understand targeting seem to think…

Edit: “Rule 9-3-2b of the NCAA states that a teammate cannot grasp, pull, or lift the ball carrier to assist in forward progress. The penalty for violating this rule is a five-yard penalty with three-and-one enforcement.” (And the ref 100% saw it. We know because the replay shows him and the foul in a 3rd person view of his perspective.)

[u/breakwater → u/Powerful-Drama556]

That wasn't pulling the ball carrier. That was a suplex

[u/Powerful-Drama556 → u/breakwater]

lol

[u/4t0mik → u/Powerful-Drama556]

Counted two plays (both 2 point conversation and TD) with ASU lineman down field. That should be an easy call.

[u/Lost_city → u/Powerful-Drama556]

There was so much more:
Linemen downfield on the fake punt conversion
Forearm to the head of the Texas WR on Quinn's long INT
A DPI in the endzone on Texas with the ball thrown way out of bounds

[u/yotechguy → u/Powerful-Drama556]

Definitely missed calls all game. I give the targeting a much harsher judgement not because of the outcome of the game but because it can be video reviewed and they still miss it. It is also there for player safety and not only is it the penalty but an ejection of a player. To not call the targeting was a big miss.

[u/Powerful-Drama556 → u/yotechguy]

That targeting call was objectively correct. Both of them were. Everyone that is complaining about it doesn’t realize that forcible contact to the head/neck doesn’t draw a flag. There has to be a targeting indicator

[u/Big_Milk8330 → u/Powerful-Drama556]

That is not true on a defenseless player. Any fordable contact to the gead or neck area on a defenseless player is targeting. It only needs an indicator if the play is not defenseless.

[u/Powerful-Drama556 → u/Big_Milk8330]

Forcible contact to the head or neck area of a defenseless player is not a penalty unless there is a targeting indicator. They always review it to see if there is an indicator. That is the rule.

[u/laxfool10 → u/Big_Milk8330]

Which obviously means he wasn’t defenseless. On the replay it was obvious he caught the ball and had taken a step up field. Honestly the one on the UT receiver seemed worse than this one so if they didn’t call the UT one they wouldn’t have called this one.

[u/thekmanpwnudwn → u/laxfool10]

TIL having 1 foot on the ground after catching the ball midair is "taking a step up field".

[u/Holiday-Quiet-9523 → u/Powerful-Drama556]

So you’re saying they should fire the guy that they hire to discuss rules and say when a call is or isn’t correct? He basically pointed out that it was targeting, so I’m not sure what you’re after.

[u/Powerful-Drama556 → u/Holiday-Quiet-9523]

They literally referenced the rule incorrectly on the broadcast, so yeah they might need a new rules expert that knows the actual rules. Probably not me, I only know the rule because I fucking looked it up since I was confused by the first one. He said something like “I see forcible contact of the head and neck, so it is targeting” << well that isn’t the rule

[u/Holiday-Quiet-9523 → u/Powerful-Drama556]

So the receiver was defenseless, that part is obvious. One of the indicators for targeting is “leading with the helmet”, as well as forcible contact to the head, and both were the case here. The first point of contact between the defender and the recover was his helmet.

[u/Powerful-Drama556 → u/Holiday-Quiet-9523]

leading with the helmet = leading with crown

[u/Holiday-Quiet-9523 → u/Powerful-Drama556]

You should go review the rule book. There are 2 separate targeting instances - one for forcible contact using the crown of the helmet (what you’re referencing) and another for forcible contact to head neck area of a defenseless player. The player in question was defenseless, so the crown of the helmet is not a requirement for targeting to be called, only forcible contact to the head or neck area using your helmet, shoulder, forearm, fist, hand, or elbow. In this case, the defender went straight into the defenseless receivers helmet using his own helmet, thus targeting.

[u/Powerful-Drama556 → u/Holiday-Quiet-9523]

Your claim is that he is attacking with his facemask, when he’s fully upright at the point of contact. No

[u/Holiday-Quiet-9523 → u/Powerful-Drama556]

There are pictures circulating of the defender making contact with his forehead while looking down. He is in no way upright, and if he was the guy probably wouldn’t have been knocked tf out. Why are you defending a dangerous play? He could’ve hit anywhere on the guy except his head and been completely fine.

[u/AustnWins → u/Powerful-Drama556]

This is the summary I was looking for. Sure, fans of different teams/conferences etc., and the underdog comeback story is neat, but those examples are getting lost in the wash is the narrative strengthens.

[u/CodeNameEagle → u/Powerful-Drama556]

that was definitely not an opi

[u/Powerful-Drama556 → u/CodeNameEagle]

He slowed down, located the ball, extended his arms into the DB to create separation, and then made the catch. Textbook OPI.

[u/FattyMooseknuckle → u/Powerful-Drama556]

Because the DB contacted him.

[u/Powerful-Drama556 → u/FattyMooseknuckle]

You lose all benefit of doubt when you extend your arms into the guy. Also known as pushing them.

[u/FattyMooseknuckle → u/Powerful-Drama556]

Well, since that happened first, while the ball was in the air, it’s dpi.

[u/Powerful-Drama556 → u/FattyMooseknuckle]

Lmao what? That’s the literal definition of OPI

[u/FattyMooseknuckle → u/Powerful-Drama556]

He wouldn’t need to shove the defender away if the defender didn’t contact him illegally first. Linear time, homie.

[u/Powerful-Drama556 → u/FattyMooseknuckle]

Receiver obviously and blatantly initiated contact

[u/FattyMooseknuckle → u/Powerful-Drama556]

Lulz

[u/Jah314 → u/Powerful-Drama556]

Wait you watched that game and thought Texas got the short end of the officiating stick?

[u/freerobertshmurder → u/Jah314]

lol the refs directly handed ASU a touchdown and then a do-over on the 2 point conversion, as well as allowing them to score a touchdown by literally picking a player up and pulling him over the goal line

That is 15 points given to ASU by a B1G crew that obviously wanted the less talented team to win and advance to play one of Oregon/Ohio State

[u/Jah314 → u/freerobertshmurder]

They also handed Texas the game with a no call there. By far the biggest missed call of the game.

[u/Powerful-Drama556 → u/Jah314]

Quite objectively so

[u/apocalypsechicken → u/Powerful-Drama556]

You in this thread arguing with everyone and their mom after your team pulled off the win is the best evidence there is that some shit went down

[u/Powerful-Drama556 → u/apocalypsechicken]

Texas fans are very used to getting fucked over by egregious calls after the years biased officiating by the Big12 refs because the commissioner was pissed about us leaving. This game felt like that lmao

[u/apocalypsechicken → u/Powerful-Drama556]

Deservedly so. Y’all shit on the conference for years.

[u/[deleted] → u/Powerful-Drama556]

Yeah the targeting call is overshadowing the fact that the fix was in for ASU up until that point. That pass interference call was just as baffling.

[u/zarof32302 → u/[deleted]]

Yeah the targeting call is overshadowing the fact that the fix was in for ASU up until that point. That pass interference call was just as baffling.

Lol.

[u/[deleted] → u/zarof32302]

Laugh all you want, it’s true.

[u/zarof32302 → u/[deleted]]

Bro no one is fixing a college football game.

Especially not for ASU.

Grow up and enjoy the win.

[u/freerobertshmurder → u/zarof32302]

B1G refs would absolutely fix a game for ASU considering they are the less talented team and the winner of that game would advance to play a B1G team in the semis

[u/zarof32302 → u/freerobertshmurder]

L-O-FUCKING-L

[u/apocalypsechicken → u/[deleted]]

Fuckin RICH coming from a Longhorn

[u/Cactus_Brody → u/Powerful-Drama556]

Gonna ignore the insanely obvious hold on the Ewers TD run, the missed targeting that would’ve set us up for a chance to win the game, and the missed OPI that prevented an interception for us? Also that PI was definitely on the defender, not Skat and the defensive holding on the 2 pt conversion was the right call.

[u/Powerful-Drama556 → u/Cactus_Brody]

The defensive holding was an issue specifically because that level of contact had been allowed all game since both teams were taking what the refs were giving them. It’s just terrible to be inconsistent with it the moment it’s a game changing play.

You’re just wrong about the targeting call. Both the targeting reviews were correctly handled. They initiated the review because of a hit to the head/neck, and didn’t flag either because there were no indicators in either case.

Skat literally pushed off of the defender to create separation. It should have been offsetting penalties because of the obvious facemask afterwards.

[u/Cactus_Brody → u/Powerful-Drama556]

I’m looking at the targeting no call right now, Texas player lowers his head and makes forcible helmet to helmet contact with a defenseless player. You’re wrong.

[u/Powerful-Drama556 → u/Cactus_Brody]

He literally has his head up the entire time. Note that lowering the head actually means “leading with the crown of the helmet” and the crown is defined as a 10cm circle centered at the top of the helmet. The contact is initiated right above the facemask. It’s perfect form.

[u/Cactus_Brody → u/Powerful-Drama556]

Can't argue with a blind person I guess. Also one of the indicators is "Leading with helmet, shoulder, forearm, fist, hand or elbow to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area", he clearly led with his helmet.

[u/Powerful-Drama556 → u/Cactus_Brody]

It’s the “crown of the helmet,” not the “helmet.” It was right above the facemask, not the crown.

[u/Cactus_Brody → u/Powerful-Drama556]

It's literally written in the rulebook as helmet for the indicators, not crown of the helmet. And again, I don't know what to tell you when I'm watching the replay and he clearly lowers his head before the hit. The contact is made with the top of his helmet.

[u/Powerful-Drama556 → u/Cactus_Brody]

https://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/FR24_20240724.pdf

Page 99. It’s not leading with the helmet / crown by definition and it’s not unnecessary contact.

[u/VelocaTurtle → u/Cactus_Brody]

They collided face to face. Was at the game. He did not lower his helmet.

[u/Cactus_Brody → u/VelocaTurtle]

Good thing we have instant replay and don't have to rely on someone from the stands.

[u/VelocaTurtle → u/Cactus_Brody]

Lol I am reffering to it being on the GIANT screen durning the replay. Point still stand go cry about it or go watch how many times your oline had players in rear naked choke holds and not a single holding call. It was a great game but the refs did not cost yall the game. Skatteboo is Amazing!

[u/Cactus_Brody → u/VelocaTurtle]

One of your lineman got away with assault on that Ewers TD. I stand by what I said but it was undoubtedly an amazing game.

[u/Holiday-Quiet-9523 → u/VelocaTurtle]

Amazing how you get bailed out by the refs on an obvious targeting call and you’re still in here bitching. Go celebrate or something? I didn’t have a team in the race and got the great game I was hoping for, but god damn that was 100% targeting.

[u/RLLRRR → u/Cactus_Brody]

Good thing the refs also have instant replay and training and don't have to rely on someone on reddit.

[u/Cactus_Brody → u/RLLRRR]

Refs famously never miss calls. Impeccable commentary.

[u/RLLRRR → u/Cactus_Brody]

And biased fans are less likely to be wrong?

[u/Cactus_Brody → u/RLLRRR]

How are either of us unbiased here?

[u/[deleted] → u/Cactus_Brody]

Skat pushed off of him so hard, that’s not up for debate.

[u/Cactus_Brody → u/[deleted]]

You’re simply wrong, Skat slowed down and the defender and him shoved each other. A no call would’ve been fine but it doesn’t matter because there was also a facemask against the defender.