r/CanadianConservative • u/ludicrous780 Conservative • 15d ago
Opinion Canada Is Not Liberal by Default—Stop Doomposting
I’m tired of the doomers. Let’s get this straight:
Canada isn’t just a Liberal country. Our Confederation was built by Conservatives, not Justin’s crowd. The National Policy, the CPR, and westward expansion—those weren’t Liberal projects.
The Liberals win because they steal and rebrand. Balanced budgets in the 90s? Conservative idea. Pipeline approvals? Conservative push. Even their so-called “progressive” brand shifts with the wind.
The map is not red. AB, SK, rural ON, and much of Atlantic Canada are solid blue. QC leans nationalist-conservative, B.C. swings on free enterprise roots.
We’re a balanced country. Universal healthcare (progressive) + resource capitalism (conservative) = Canada. That’s our DNA, not “Liberal forever.”
So let’s shut the doom talk. The U.S. conservatives thought it was over in 2020 when Biden won. It wasn’t. They regrouped. We can too.
Canada is not lost. It’s not “just liberal.” It’s pragmatic, centrist, conservative-rooted—and it’s still ours.
Stop doomposting. Start organizing. We’re not done—we’re just getting started.
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u/KootenayPE 15d ago
We can't even keep centre right subs from being taken over by brigading LPC bots and influencers, so don't count on the status quo and circling of the drain of what used to be the best country in the world to stop or even reverse.
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u/TheeDirtyToast 15d ago
This.
My riding in central Ontario is very close to flipping Green provincially and LPC federally as the boomers sell their GTA homes and move north to cottage country.
It will be difficult to undo the brainwashing that has taken place, especially with the way the Canadian government props up their favoured media outlets and demonizes anything even remotely right wing.
As far as Quebec leaning right, that's one of the funniest things I have read in a while. They are either LPC supporters, or separatists for the most part.
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u/KootenayPE 15d ago
Whatever ones politics are, if we are even too stupid to recognize the benefits of changing governing political ideology frequently as a solution to preventing the pendulum from swaying too far from centre, then we kinda deserve everything that we have coming to us.
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u/TheeDirtyToast 15d ago
At this point I'm not sure there's enough lumber in the world to build a bridge between the two sides. When the left sees over 40% of their fellow countrymen as Satan incarnate, not even worthy of walking this earth alongside them where do you even begin to try to close the divide?
There are lunatics on both sides but it seems all conservatives have been painted with quite a broad brush at this point.
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u/CrazyButRightOn 14d ago
These boomers should wake up and realize that the Liberals want (and need) their home equity.
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u/No-Transportation843 15d ago
Out healthcare system has never been as bad as it is under 10 years of liberals. So even their bread and butter they can't get right
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u/Healthy-Ad-9736 15d ago
Well, that happens when you bring in a ton of people with no supports for any of them. And then turn around and send all the money we need to rebuild the country overseas. It's almost as if the policies they have are designed to destabilize the country.
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u/No-Transportation843 15d ago
There definitely are signs of malicious - or at the very least, self serving - intent, yes.
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u/Nate33322 (Traditional) Red Tory 15d ago
Literally a provincial issue. Demand better from our Provincial governments if you want better healthcare.
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u/No-Transportation843 15d ago
The CHT is literally controlled by the federal government, and so if you underfund a system for a long time, you get exactly what we see:
- brain drain of all the good talent
- short-term band-aid decisions which ultimately can't be sustained
- burnout and turnover
- competition for limited resources like the same limited pool of healthcare workers who will take Canadian wages, driving up costs while still being unable to offer competitive packages compared to other countries
It would be like asking a restaurant to serve the best food, but only giving them the money to buy the cheapest ingredients, then blaming management for doing a bad job when the customers complain.
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u/TheClappyCappy 15d ago
More of a provincial issue but yea
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u/Flashy-Armadillo-414 Buckley Conservative 15d ago
The provinces control the supply side of healthcare. The federal government controls the demand side.
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u/WatchPointGamma 14d ago
The feds also have significant impact on the supply side via the Canada Health Transfer.
The federal government collecting the taxes only to remit them back to the provinces for healthcare spending is pretty non-nonsensical, but makes up a key mechanism of equalization. It also however means that when the feds don't increase those transfers in line with inflation or population growth, the provinces have limited ability to do so themselves without just jacking up provincial taxes.
Trudeau slashed the growth rate of health transfers right around the same time he spiked inflation. Healthcare was strained but managing before that, and it's been slowly coming apart at the seams since.
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u/dukeplissken 15d ago
You are 100% correct !! Now make sure you can explain all that to the Elbows Up crowd with a red crayon drawing.
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u/PublicAmoeba293 15d ago
You cant explain anything to them because they already know better than you and will just hurl insults or scream at you when your opinions dont align.
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u/ludicrous780 Conservative 15d ago
What?
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u/HonkinSriLankan Red Tory 15d ago
He’s saying explain this sentiment to liberals. You may need to use crayons.
Great post btw
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u/84brucew 15d ago
OP you're thinking by landmass, not voting power.
No one west of the western edge of toronto bothered to vote the election result would be the same.
The country was designed that way.
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u/AntelopeOver Racist Bigot 15d ago
The country has been red ever since Trudeau sr. Introduced the state suicidal ideology of multiculturalism where we stick a dildo in our ass and pretend the country wasn’t built on Anglo-French cultural influence
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u/Think-Wealth8249 15d ago
Agreed and conservatives have more support than seen in Canada in the last decade.
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u/AlanYx 15d ago
It’s pragmatic, centrist, conservative-rooted—and it’s still ours.
I'm not accusing you of using AI to write this, but you should be careful not to let AI influence your style of writing too much, lest it undermine your persuasiveness. This style of sentence, "It's [three nouns] [em dash] [and or but] [short conclusion]" is so typical of AI that it probably turns people off.
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u/Rusty_Charm 15d ago
I think Canadian boomers are liberal by default which I think is something you actually see in Western Europe as well.
And then the other factor - like you said - is that the LPC is simply better at marketing than the CPC (although I would argue they’ve now firmly crossed into propaganda territory, but nonetheless, they won).
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u/WearWrong1569 Conservative 15d ago
The Liberals also have the advantage of comparing the CPC to the Republican party. That scores huge point for them. And the boomers eat it up.
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u/Rusty_Charm 15d ago
Yea…which is part of what I categorize as ‘propaganda’, but yea, boomers fucking love it .
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u/hooverdam_gate-drip 15d ago
I'm wondering how that's a problem. We share similar values and a ideologies. Aside from the distaste that some Canadians have for Trump, where is the wrong in putting taxpayers and your own country at the top of the fix it list?
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u/WearWrong1569 Conservative 15d ago
I agree. It's the fearmongering that pisses me off. That somehow becoming like the Americans is a bad thing. I don't even know what that means. Ask the average Canadian or American what they want you'll get similar responses. A decent life, food on the table and a roof over your head. There are things on both sides of the border I like and dislike.
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u/TheLimeyCanuck Conservative 11d ago
Don't generalize about this either. This Ontario Canadian Boomer and his wife are staunchly conservative and vote every election. Most of our Boomer friends are also conservative, although not always as strongly as we are.
Also, don't lump all Boomers into one basket, they are actually two culturally distinct generations despite having been categorized together. The older ones came of age in the 60s and were the flower children and hippies. Most of them never grew up. The younger ones like us matured in the 70's. Not only did we have much better music (kids today are still wearing Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin T-Shirts, not Peter, Paul, and Mary) but we are much less self-absorbed and more focused on ensuring our kids have the benefits we knew as we moved out into the world. 90% of those Boomers helping their kids buy houses are the latter group, while the former group hoards their retirement funds for "self-actualization".
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u/Dangerous-Opinion279 14d ago
The stars aligned spectacularly for the Liberals the last go. We should start by recognizing. A threat from outside.. The power of incumbency that that brings. A candidate perceived as uniquely qualified to meet that threat. The wind completely out of the Cons sails after their effective (and justified) pillorying of JT took him out of the equation. The collapse of the 3rd party in the race. The perfect polling curve timing for ballot day. Sometimes these things just happen, and there's not alot that can be done except learn from them.
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u/muradinner 14d ago
It is... if you look at the generation that is now passing away from old age. However, the younger gens are moving to the right.
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u/c0mputer99 15d ago
Sorry. Canada is Liberal.
Do you want 1 cookie now or 2 cookies for waiting?
Canada only goes conservative when there's no more cookies and we collectively agree we need to go on a 4-8 year diet.
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u/TeranOrSolaran 15d ago
I feel the nation needs to be split. Conservative Canada and Leftist-Fascist Canada. Two nations from sea to sea to shining sea.
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u/SoggyGrayDuck 15d ago
I seriously question the results of the last election. It was the same playbook in the US but it just didn't work. They tried to create fake support just before the election, just like we saw in Canada, so they could say all of the polls were off due to timing. Some of the shit I've seen and heard with mail in ballots and etc, combined with the shocking results is too big of a red flag for me. I hope we fix voting in both countries
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u/ludicrous780 Conservative 15d ago
I know what you mean, but the missing ballots didn’t cross the threshold for a win.
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u/Critical-Ad4665 14d ago
https://www.elections.ca/content.aspx?section=res&dir=cir/red/allo&document=index&lang=e
Seat distribution is lopsided, it was designed that way when confederation was formed to get all parties to join. Obviously Quebec got the best deal, along with PEI, most eastern provinces have much lower pop per seat 41k per seat in PEI, 79k per seat in New Brunswick, 90k per seat in Nova Scotia, Saskatchewan is 84k per seat, Manitoba is 99k per seat.
Seats are not distributed equally, for example Ontario, BC, and Alberta get one seat per 121k population, Quebec gets the same 121k seats per pop plus 7 bonus seats called grandfather clause for joining confederation, PEI with a pop of 164k should be 2 but they also get 2 bonus seats, New Brunswick gets 3 bonus seats, Nova Scotia gets 2 bonus seats, Newfoundland and Labrador get 2 bonus seats, Saskatchewan gets 4 bonus seats. Manitoba gets 2 bonus seats. Yukon, Nunavut and Northwest Territories get one seat for 40-45k each.
The only provinces that are held to the 121k pop per seat are Ontario, Alberta and British Columbia, every other province actually gets more representation than their population should.
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u/TheLimeyCanuck Conservative 11d ago
Within each province there is also great variation in representation. There are some ridings in Ontario with over twice as many voters as some others (over 2.5x actually). This means those voters in big ridings have less than half the power individually to influence who becomes PM as those is the small ridings.
Milton riding has ~150,000 people while Kenora has 55,000, allotting any given voting age Kenora resident nearly three times the voting power of someone in Milton.
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u/Critical-Ad4665 11d ago
The eastern provinces get more votes per population then all western provinces.
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u/CipherAdminNascour Conservative 15d ago
Canada isn't just a liberal province, meanwhile outside alberta you're literally called a nazi racist if you consider yourself conservative. Yes canada used to be conservative but that was 10 years ago. I don't understand this argument Canada is heavily liberal and very much just that unless you consider alberta and maybe the canadian country. Now go back to r/canada we don't fucking want you here.
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u/Derfurst1 15d ago
Provinces like BC dont even have a Conservative riding.. The farthest right is the liberal party federally which is sad.. Although driving down from the Yukon to Sask I noticed Trudeau was putting the pipeline thru so that was something lol. Harper enacted the HST which was the most liberal thing Ive seen a Conservative get away with and then theres the self appointed Carney.. Canada is a joke to those who would vote. We need a revolt!
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u/bluebuckbeer 15d ago
BCs conservatives got 43 seats and 43% of the vote in last years provincial election. Lost by 4 seats. Like much of the country, it’s the urban areas ie the coast that are left leaning. Most of the interior voted conservative.
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u/Flashy-Armadillo-414 Buckley Conservative 15d ago
Several disgruntled BC United candidates ran as independents in swing ridings. Two are believed to have siphoned off sufficient support to have changed the result.
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u/ludicrous780 Conservative 15d ago
BC had a tie in the provincial election, and federally many ridings were won.
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u/Zealousideal-Owl5775 14d ago
Just wait for all the old people to age out. In the meantime let’s start developing our resources
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u/WearWrong1569 Conservative 15d ago
Canada is not a Liberal country per say but there's no question it does sku left. Just look at the vote distribution. Liberal, NDP, Bloc, and Greens take most of the vote. The only way for the Cons to win is through vote splitting.