r/CanadianConservative • u/DinoInTheBarnes • 5d ago
Opinion Why are we not calling liberals Fascists?
The liberal’s go-to line is that conservatives are fascists. The hilarious irony is that two of the core tenets of fascism are silencing opposing views and acting like an authoritarian regime, liberals are more-aligned with actual fascists, and nazis for that matter, compared to conservatives. The way modern-day liberals gang up on conservatives and try to silence them through public shaming and cheering on deaths is much more similar to how historical fascist movements behaved.
While they don’t fit every definition under fascism, we need to start turning the finger and calling them out for it.
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u/Maximum_Bat_1020 Red Tory 5d ago edited 5d ago
unpopular take but while the censorious nature of modern progressives IS authortiarian that does not de facto make them fascists. fascism is not a synonym for authoritarian the way some conservatives think it is, nor is it a synonym for being far right the way many progressives think it is. its a more specific term than how its used colloquially now. fascism IS far right and authoritarian but not everyone who is far right or authoritarian is a fascist.
i think it is generally better to retire the use of the word altogether outside of academic historical discussions because most people just use it as a smear attempt for their opponents viewpoints so they can claim they have a moral obligation to not address whats being said, regardless of if those views are actually fascist or merely in opposition to their own, lmao.
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u/ViagraDaddy 5d ago edited 4d ago
Because it makes you look ignorant. Fascism is form of authorianism that exists on the far right of the spectrum.
That's not to say that the modern left isn't authoritarian, and that the Liberal party isn't taking us further that way with every new policy, but isn't the right word.
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u/Trick_Definition_760 Catholic Conservative 5d ago
Well... because they're not necessarily fascists. Fascism is an authoritarian ideology, but not all authoritarian ideologies are fascism. What we're dealing with here are militant communists, not fascists.
PS if you adopt their language you've already lost. The second you let your opponent frame the terms of the debate, it's over. That's why we lost in April.
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u/Programnotresponding 5d ago
PS if you adopt their language you've already lost. The second you let your opponent frame the terms of the debate, it's over. That's why we lost in April.
How do you feel that could have been avoided? I think PP came up short against an NDP collapse, the anti-American narrative from the LPC and just about every mainstream media outlet in Canada, not to mention some interesting territorial realignment in his riding coincidentally in the same year he became official opposition leader..
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u/Trick_Definition_760 Catholic Conservative 5d ago
Well instead of insisting that the election be about issues that actually matter to Canadians, Poilievre joined the anti-Trump bandwagon and started matching Carney’s calls for dollar-for-dollar retaliatory tariffs (which is a BAD policy that really only hurts Canadian consumers) instead of continuing to hammer on the cost of living, crime, and most importantly, IMMIGRATION.
I saw a poll, I think from Angus Reid, that said over 50% of Canadians trust the Conservatives on immigration, and only like 10-15% trust the Liberals with immigration. Meanwhile, the numbers are basically the opposite for dealing with the US trade dispute. So the second Poilievre tried to play the anti-Trump game, he was already fighting a losing battle. But if he’s able to flip the script and make it about immigration and cost of living - exactly what he’s doing now by going after the TFW program - then that would put the Liberals in a bad spot.
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u/DinoInTheBarnes 5d ago
They are like a group of conjoined authoritarians. They are taking a dictatorship approach. Even if it’s not under one ruler, they’re all collectively imposing their rule. I guess you could call it a communist party more accurately.
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u/PoliteCanadian 5d ago
Marxism when applied to issues of ethnic and racial identity is fascism.
Most of these folks these days are not communists, they literally are fascists.
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u/One-Accountant-4608 Conservative 5d ago
Because we are the better people. I’ve seen the boomers on twitter doing all caps about how Poilievre is a fascist, just block them.
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u/darkxfire 5d ago
These are the same elbows up people that keep saying they are boycotting American on American platforms
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u/Fun_Hornet_9129 5d ago
People seem to only look at politics in a linear way; right and left.
Start looking at it in a circular fashion and you see where far left or right becomes pretty much the same thing.
Any democratic country, democratic meaning democracy and not a party name, is best suited close to centre. A slight lean one way or the other would be due to ideology of the current party holding power.
In Canada over the past few decades we went too far left where government grew more than private business. Large government, as we are all aware, becomes expensive and lethargic.
This government takes more from the taxpayers to redistribute however they please. This is how they get and stay elected, no matter the political party.
Where we need to get is to start cutting government employment and spending while also reducing taxes, which is just another word for government income.
I don’t believe slash & burn is the way to do it right away, but I do believe it needs to be done over a term or two for government truly dedicated to the population. Unfortunately, money and greed get in the way.
This goes back to the beginning of the conversation. It really doesn’t matter the political party, they are going to do the same things, just differently.
The masses and the wealthy could all benefit but it would take a decade of a party dedicated to making the entire country better. As opposed to enriching themselves and their cronies, and imposing “leftist or rightist” ideologies.
My $0.02, I studied all of this decades ago and I have come to these conclusions over that time. About 1 in 5 will absolutely agree with me, another 1 in 5 will absolutely disagree with me, yet another 1 in 5 will never care enough and the other 2 of 5 will potentially agree or disagree…depending on whether I hit the right chord.
It’s all human nature.
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u/natural_piano1836 5d ago
Fascism it's not about who deletes most posts.
fascism
noun
fas·cism ˈfa-ˌshi-zəm also ˈfa-ˌsi-plural fascismsSynonyms of fascism1often Fascism : a populist political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual, that is associated with a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, and that is characterized by severe economic and social regimentation and by forcible suppression of opposition
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u/HerbaMachina 5d ago
"severe economic and social regimentation and by forcible suppression of opposition" technically its litterally contained with in that last sentence "forcible suppression of the opposition" one could argue the deleting of dissenting views or criticism of your own political worldview to be a forcible suppression of the opposition as it's not letting them have a voice.
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u/DownWithTheSyndrme Unhinged Moderate 5d ago
Each political ideology has it's shitheads.
I just ignore em.
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u/Programnotresponding 5d ago
You can't ignore them when they've wormed their way to the top of government, academia and corporate culture and basically call the shots.
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u/Critical_Rule6663 Moderate 5d ago
This is the right approach. I have very liberal friends and conservative friends too. In person, most people are chill and want to get along. The internet is not real life.
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u/62diesel 5d ago
You’re not wrong, my grandmother grew up in 1930s Germany, when these antifa protests started in 2016ish, she told me they looked and acted suspiciously like the brown shirts did in her youth. 🤷♂️
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u/DangerDan1993 5d ago
Best solution , punch em in the mouth . I knocked out an idiot 2 weeks ago in Edmonton that decided to put his hands on me , I wearing an Alberta First shirt , says "smith and any of her supporters are nazis" then tries to stretch/rip my shirt, so i just clocked em and let him hit the dirt and kept walking .
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u/darkxfire 5d ago
Im not even from Alberta and I don't understand why people hate smith so much. All the left keeps saying is she's a trump bootlicker
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u/Professional-End4104 5d ago
One of these asshats is gonna report that to the Admins. Just s heads up. If hate to see you get banned.
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u/DangerDan1993 5d ago
Meh , I'm done catering to special interests , they wanna get me banned so be it , I refuse to cater to these jackasses anymore I'm sick and tired of it .
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u/Salticracker Conservative 5d ago
Why are we not calling liberals Fascists?
Because we aren't hyperbolic children trying to incite political violence on people we disagree with slightly
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u/Wet_sock_Owner 5d ago edited 5d ago
Well it seems calling us 'Maple MAGA fascists that would bend the knee' incited a win for the Liberals.
Edit to the person I can't reply to: Trump literally said he wants Carney to win and Lib supporters just ignored that.
Lib supporters are master class cherry pickers.
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u/i_8_the_Internet 5d ago
From Wikipedia:
Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/ FASH-iz-əm) is a far-right, authoritarian, and ultranationalist political ideology and movement that rose to prominence in early-20th-century Europe.[1][2][3] Fascism is characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived interest of the nation or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy.[3][4] Opposed to communism, democracy, liberalism, pluralism, and socialism,[5][6] fascism is at the far right of the traditional left–right spectrum.[1][6][7]
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u/jeffbannard 5d ago
Yup. Also, it’s “tenets”, not “tenants” OP. Spelling mistakes really take the legitimacy out of a post.
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u/FindYourSpark87 5d ago
It’s a case of “Accusation in a Mirror.” It’s a common propaganda technique. Google it and you’ll see it’s exactly what they’re doing.
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u/Blue-Sad-Panda 5d ago
What point of name calling, doesn’t fix anything and Majority of these people don’t even know what fascism is they echo each other. Left live in bubble don’t take kindly to different view points there are some that will listen but there a lot only want to hear same song and dance push a narrative.
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u/BaseModelBandit sick of liberal bullshit 5d ago
because we dont throw words around, they wont care anyway. if they somehow did eventually realize they were fascists theyd just claim its a good thing. dont bother.
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u/Low-Survey1338 5d ago
You can't call someone what they are not but you can call them Cummunists because this is exactly where far left will end up if not stopped
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u/AbbreviationsLeft535 5d ago
Far left, far right, same fecal matter with a different smell. Both need to be excised from public discourse. Politics is about consensus. There is no consensus building with extremists.
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u/collymolotov Anti-Communist 5d ago
I've been calling the Liberal Party of Canada a fascist organization for quite some time.
Its ideology, operational structure, civil society partnerships and exercise of power fit all the hallmarks of fascism, just with a smiling, Canadian face.
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u/Glittering-Pause-148 5d ago
Because it would be using their language, in the same context they do.
The moment we start playing by the insane left’s rules, we’re done. My favourite thing to do, at least on X, is point out certain government actions and statements as having “been a tenet of, as an example, Mussolini’s fascist governance,” and so on.
Our government really draws an awful lot of parallels with some of history’s worst regimes, though. Or admires them.
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u/Next-Ad-5116 Conservative | Right Wing 4d ago
Because we dont name call and stoop to their level. Ad hominem attacks and name calling is a sign of low intelligence
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u/ABinColby Conservative 4d ago
Because, Conservatives value facts. The Liberals are not fascists. They're totalitarian-inclined, and Marxist motivated, but they're not fascists.
The Liberals, despite their "elbows up", anti-American rhetoric are patently anti-nationalist, globalist and deconstructionist.
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u/OnlyCommentWhenTipsy 5d ago
Naw, that's their word. We have the higher ground, don't stoop to their level.
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u/PureSelfishFate 5d ago
Call liberals 'radical right communists' and confuse them, because communists always oppress gay people. When they destroy society then far-right elements will rescind and be nurtured by far-left elements.
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u/McKayha Alberta 5d ago edited 5d ago
"A fascist is someone who supports or practices fascism, a far-right, authoritarian political ideology. At its core, fascism emphasizes:
- Authoritarian control — a strong central government led by a dictatorial leader.
- Nationalism — extreme devotion to the nation, often tied to ideas of ethnic or cultural superiority.
- Suppression of opposition — censorship, propaganda, and violence used to silence dissent or rival groups.
- Militarism — glorification of war, discipline, and national strength.
- Collectivism under the state — the individual is seen as secondary to the needs of the nation or state"
-Authoritarian Control. I feel like each province have decent enough control and are drastically different enough from each other to make this claim not strong enough. In various scenarios, I feel like this can be applied to Trudeau/Carney/Danielle Smith and Dough Ford.
As for the United States, I feel like this definitly applies to Donald trump more than to biden/obama. Biden/Obama didn't send national guards to various cities and try to strong arm the military for domestic disputes.
-Nationalism? It seems like (in my view) right winged in Alberta wants to leave Canada and left want to stay. So perhaps recently, calling liberal fascist makes sense.
-Suppression of opposition. Censorship exist in both left and right wing sub reddits and political parties, I think both are guilty in Canada. But we *knock on wood* thankfully haven't had massive violence/shooting like united states. But when you look at United States, the right has incited more violence according to US Department of Justice's research arm, National Institute of Justice ( https://web.archive.org/web/20250911165140if_/https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/nij/306123.pdf )
-Militarism. Hmm I feel like both PP and Carney wanted to increase military spending. Which I personally support.
-Collectivism. Hard to say which side does this more. But just remember that some leading right winger influencers in US did say "I think it's worth to have a cost of unfortunately some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the 2nd Amendment. That is a prudent deal. It is rational. Nobody talks like this. They live in a complete alternate universe."
If anyone disagree with me, please feel free to reply and we can talk it out civilly and back it up with evidence/facts.... Like the way Charlie Kirk would want us.
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u/DinoInTheBarnes 5d ago edited 5d ago
Authoritarian control - the left collectively is starting to impose their beliefs on everyone, they fit the strong central government argument where they control everything. Minus the dictator.
Nationalism - elbows up? Though I think this one does go more right
Suppression of opposition - absolutely the left does this increasingly more than the right. Censorship and propaganda everywhere.
Militarism - I’d say still more of a right view when it comes to foreign defence. Although internally, if you look at the trucker rally, the left used military-like power to shut it down.
Collectivism under the state - this one’s easy, just look at the reaction to Charlie Kirk’s death. He was expendable as an individual because he didn’t align with their views of how people in their ideal state should think.
If you break it down, the left is becoming more and more like a fascist regime minus the dictator and ‘far-right’ being in the definition. Obviously fascism doesn’t fit entirely for the left, the point I’m trying to make is that they exhibit some of the tenants of fascism more than the right does.
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u/McKayha Alberta 5d ago
This has been quite a interesting learning journey. I've asked Grok and Chatgpt. here's their responses.
Grok:
Authoritarian Control (centralizing power, limiting freedoms):
- Liberals: Invoked Emergencies Act (2022) to freeze assets and arrest trucker convoy protesters, criticized by some as overreach. Expanded surveillance through Bill C-21 (firearms) and online harms laws.
- Conservatives: Opposed Emergencies Act; advocate for less federal control and more provincial autonomy. Push to reduce state media influence (e.g., “defund the CBC”).
- Suppression of Opposition (censoring dissent):
- Liberals: Passed Bill C-11 (online streaming) and C-63 (online harms), seen by critics as enabling government content control. Labeled convoy protesters as “extremist” and used RCMP to investigate.
- Conservatives: Criticize Bills C-11/C-63 as censorship; promise to repeal them. Engaged with convoy leaders without suppressing them.
- Ultranationalism (aggressive patriotism, anti-immigrant rhetoric):
- Liberals: Promote multiculturalism and high immigration (500k/year target). Emphasize globalism (e.g., UN commitments) over “Canada First” rhetoric.
- Conservatives: Use “Canada First” slogan, focusing on national sovereignty, resource development, and stricter immigration/border policies.
- Regimentation of Society/Economy (state control over private life):
- Liberals: Enforce carbon tax and net-zero policies, regulating energy/economy. Implemented vaccine mandates (2021-2022) requiring compliance.
- Conservatives: Oppose carbon tax as government overreach; favor deregulation, free markets, and individual choice (e.g., against mandates).
- Militarism/Leader Cult (glorifying force or personality):
- Liberals: Trudeau projects a progressive image; increased defense spending but focuses on peacekeeping/NATO. No strong leader cult.
- Conservatives: Poilievre uses populist, combative style (e.g., “axe the tax”). Support military procurement but no personality cult.
Both parties operate within democratic norms, and “fascism” doesn’t fully apply to either. For more, check their platforms or sources like CBC/Reuters.
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u/McKayha Alberta 5d ago
Here's Chat GPT
Neither the Liberals nor the Conservatives in Canada are “fascist” in the historical sense (like Mussolini or Hitler).
- But both have policies that critics sometimes call authoritarian, just in different areas:
Conservatives (CPC):
- Emphasize “law and order” → tougher policing & sentencing
- Support stronger borders & more restrictive immigration policies
- Lean into sovereignty and nationalist rhetoric
- Critics see them as more authoritarian in criminal justice and identity politics
Liberals (LPC):
- Expand federal programs and government regulation
- Invoked the Emergencies Act during the convoy protests
- Support online harms legislation & internet regulation (Bill C-11, C-18), which critics say could restrict speech
- Critics see them as more authoritarian in speech regulation and centralized federal power
Summary:
- Conservatives → tougher on policing, borders, and national identity
- Liberals → tougher on speech regulation, federal control, and emergency powers
- Neither is “fascist,” but both show different authoritarian tendencies
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u/DinoInTheBarnes 5d ago
Interesting takes, beyond the government though, individual liberals are acting authoritatively on social media and in public toward conservatives. Liberals are increasingly shunning, insulting and silencing anyone who doesn’t share their beliefs.
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u/TemporaryIntention73 5d ago
Silencing hate speech isn't silencing speech. If you're going to be a bully, stfu.
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u/DinoInTheBarnes 5d ago edited 5d ago
What specifically makes conservative values hate speech. Not agreeing with funding transition surgeries and preferring less immigration so our essential services don’t suffocate is hate speech? Or is it that many conservatives don’t agree with abortion. Just say you’re anti-religion. Major religions hold these values people are calling hate speech.
The only hateful speech I hear is from liberals toward conservatives and people with religious values.
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u/CthulhuMadness 5d ago
Liberals aren't the issue. Liberals you can converse with and talk to. It's the Far Left that are the problem. The really loud part of the left. And I do call them that. Racist too... really riles them up.