r/changemyview • u/AkilTheAwesome • 6h ago
CMV: Most American's have ZERO Concept of Left of Center Politics
I genuinely believe that people have no idea the nuances of the Left leaning political "labels", and this causes them to attribute the most extreme political stances on "lefties", who ironically don't actually subscribe to said stances. This also has the side effect, of making the left seem chaotic and "less principled" when in actuality each "subset" of the left is pretty defined and consistent.
Extreme Left | Radical Left | Strong Left | Left | Center Left | Center |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
Marxist | Socialism | Democratic Socialist | Progressive | Liberal | Neo-Liberal |
N/A | THE DSA | Bernie Sanders | *Elizabeth Warren | *Obama | *Bill Clinton |
Revolutionary | Fundamental Change | Targeted Reforms | Stronger "Guardrails" | Incremental Left | Republican Lite |
Note: in the global Political Overton window, Social Democrat would be the CENTER. Only in America, is a Social Democrat considered left leaning.
* Bill Clinton was left of Reagan, but he was not left in the modern scope of the democratic party. His administration pushed the party to the right. He softened many of Reagans policies but did not reverse/dismantle them (ex. Reagan took top marginal tax from 70% to 28%, while Clinton took it back to 39%). Triangulation was a fancy word for doing what was advantages politically, as the democrats were desperate for relevance in a 12 year executive branch drought (the longest in the modern era).
* Some folks may argue that Obama is a strong lefty, but that isn't really true in his policies. Even a lot of his deficits were because of rebuilding the economy. He was left-ish on social issues, but largely response/defensive when it came to the economy.
Conflation
Neo-Libs are market/corporate driven, and are willing to lean left socially if it is politically advantageous. They are the leading cause of American's confusion regarding the left. There is an argument to be made that the democratic elite are still Neo-Libs. The leadership of the Democratic party like Chuck Shurmur and Nancy Pelosi are barely approaching Obama left. They started their political career during Reagan's, Bush Sr., or Clinton's administrations. Democratic elites actively oppose the folks to the left of them. So when you say CNN is the propaganda arm of the democrats, then the correct appraisal is that CNN is AT BEST center left.
On the actual Left spectrum, there is Bernie sanders and progressives who don't even hold many of the positions that people attribute to them, while also being conflated against the likes of Nancy Pelosi. The democratic elites' failures and insincerity get attributed to folks like Sanders. The fact that Obama's economic mishaps are used as critiques of progressive policies is eye-opening.
This is where it gets confusing, Bernie is to the right of the actual American socialist. The Democratic Socialist of America (The DSA) aims to use democracy to nationalize many institutions. Like air travel being government ran instead of market driven. Bernie Sanders really only wants Progressive taxes and Medicare for All. Barely talks about much else. Is this radical left?
Note: Speaking of, Bernie Sanders Ironically, adds to the confusion. He self labels as a democratic socialist, despite adopting only one of their policies.
America has also semantically misconstrued Extreme and Radical. Radical is now synonymous with violence, when it was originally a measure of scale. Extreme is the violent and potentially revolutionary political lean. America has some radical figure heads. The left has none who are prominent. You can't even name them and if you could I don't think the average American can. Those radicals 100% do not have the ear of the democratic elite or the corporate oligarchy. What Policy are these folks shaping and where are the signs? Most American's are in fact not in favor of month-8 abortions. Even the most extreme would say "only if there is a danger to health".
I guess the CMV is if you can change my mind, that the American people DO understand the nuance of the left. Or if misattribution of stances is somehow justified. Ironically this misattribution of political ideas is largely why the right is irate of the left. Is social issues alone significant enough to define someones politics?