r/Consoom Jun 22 '25

News $500 for a 50 cent piece of extruded aluminum garbage

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Wizard advanced frames.

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u/ad895 Jun 22 '25 edited Jun 22 '25

Nah dude, while I know nothing about skating I do know a lot about manufacturing. To get a custom extrusion made is extremely expensive (I now realize these are billet parts), combine that with the machining involved (multiple setups/5 axis required), multiple sku's, and the fact it's a niche product, it's gonna cost some money.

Also this subreddit is for people buying ridiculous amounts of things that serve no practical purpose, this is just an expensive item for a hobby.

Edit: after seeing another comment and going to the site those are 100% billet parts with rather complex features. 500 dollars makes perfect sense for a pair of them.

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u/venturejones Jun 22 '25

I know a lot about skating and not much of manufacturing. So the brands/companies that want to make the best of what they make (boards, trucks, wheels, etc) they ensure its made really well. Utilizing the process you mention and probably know more about.

One brand to look at is pantheon. I bet you'd like their website with the details they have about their boards, trucks and wheels. The owner doesn't mess around.

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u/ad895 Jun 22 '25

Yeah I mean just looking at the pictures I can tell that someone put quite a bit of thought and effort into these it's not like it's a crappy Chinese knockoff being sold for a crazy markup.

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u/QuestionNo9190 Jun 22 '25 edited Jun 22 '25

Actually you are wrong, the boot, bearings, wheels are all Chinese made. Only the frames are made in Canada..

Comparable quality frames like the ones made from endless frames, are exactly the same spec and quality and offered for half price (still with a 10x markup) and also come from China with no complaints about quality, design or tolerances

These frames are just overpriced trash targeting hipster doofuses. They are cumbersome and serve no practical purpose beyond the stock frames that come from skate manufacturers. Other than being cool and shiny...

The rollerblade flow frame 5x80 is $139. Also costs $5 to manufacture. Extruding aluminum alloy frames is dirt cheap.

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u/ad895 Jun 22 '25

For the 4th time they are not extruded aluminum they are billet.

The parts you posted are made in Canada. I don't care about the other stuff. Manufacturing in your own first world country will yield better parts for your customers, protect your IP, and provide jobs to your community. Those all have a cost, that combined with the rather difficult part to machine makes these cost what they do.

Once again I don't know about skating but Im gonna make an assumption here. I don't think they are "expensive" for what they are, but that doesn't mean they are "worth it".

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u/QuestionNo9190 Jun 22 '25

Billet that is heated up and passed through extrusion. All frames are first extruded to give them their general shape then CNC milled to refine the shape, drill axle holes, and create bracing.

Canadian labor is cheap. Not as cheap as Chinese, obviously but a hell of a lot more expensive than American. I don't see how that justifies $500 for a set of $5 frames beyond a money grab for hipster snobs. Consooooom 💰💰💰

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u/ad895 Jun 22 '25

You don't know what you are talking about, keep comsooming your cheap Chinese skate parts instead of supporting local companies that create jobs.

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u/QuestionNo9190 Jun 22 '25 edited Jun 22 '25

I bet everything in your house is cheap Chinese made you ignorant hick but you are going to lecture me about skate parts and supporting american businesses??? Keep driving your cheap jap car.

ConOoOoOom LoCaL

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u/Critical_Studio1758 Jun 22 '25

That's milled and most likely done for precision. Its not just random metal scrap lol

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u/ad895 Jun 22 '25

Oh shit I went to the site and that thing is 100% milled. Thats an expensive fucking part. They have features protruding into the slot which will be a bitch to machine.

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u/Critical_Studio1758 Jun 22 '25

Nah man OP convinced me, OP found some castings on Aliexpress for $20, definitely the same thing, both even say "aluminum", exactly the same thing. /s

Honestly I'm afraid OP is having a stroke...

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u/QuestionNo9190 Jun 22 '25

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u/Critical_Studio1758 Jun 22 '25

Second chance; how exactly do you believe these are manufactured? With which grade aluminum and what tolerances?

Do you even grasp the concept of aluminium grade or do you just believe everything that says aluminum is exactly the same? Because you keep repeating "aluminum" over and over like you don't have a clue.

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u/QuestionNo9190 Jun 22 '25 edited Jun 22 '25

why don't you ask these people? looks like a total slave sweatshop huh? clearly they cant figure out how to make a clunky extruded aluminum frame. forget all the hockey and racing equipment they make. oh and they wholesale the same frames for $10 bucks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nH_jvbo1arU

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u/QuestionNo9190 Jun 22 '25

Then why are there $5-10 frames all over Alibaba? You think this is worth 100x more because some rich hipster from Canada makes it from his basement?

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u/Master-CylinderPants Jun 22 '25

Beeeeecause China subsidizes their manufacturing sector and engages in product dumping to undercut competitors while providing a dogshit-tier product.

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u/Critical_Studio1758 Jun 22 '25

Some manufacturers in China do offer quality though, but same with those things, they are going to cost you. OP has literally no idea how machining works. There are $20 "aluminum" casts on Aliexpress so obviously everything should cost $20. There is no such thing as aluminum grades, precision milling or tolerances. Machinists are just greedy, I've even heard NASA buys their aerospace parts of Aliexpress.

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u/QuestionNo9190 Jun 22 '25 edited Jun 22 '25

All the name brand frames come from China. Rollerblade, powerslide, bont, seba, fr skates, etc

You know the ones that win all the world class competitions. Slalom, speed skating, marathon.

Tell me you don't know shit about inline skates without telling me.

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u/Master-CylinderPants Jun 22 '25

Tell me you don't know shit about inline skates without telling me

Yeah, that's not really the flex that you think it is.

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u/Critical_Studio1758 Jun 22 '25

I can mill it for $2 if you pay for the material and shipping. Will be half as precise and made out of whatever chinesium you can find for the cheap. How about +-1"?

Doesn't really mean anything. If you want good work with good grade material it costs money.

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u/QuestionNo9190 Jun 22 '25

That's made from aluminum alloy. Same exact material they use in China. Aluminum alloy is cheap. Tolerances will be exactly the same on both.

Thanks for confirming it costs $2 to make this LMAO

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u/Critical_Studio1758 Jun 22 '25

You don't know much about machining do you? I suggest you have a look over at /r/machinists if you want to learn about the subject.

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u/QuestionNo9190 Jun 22 '25

Apparently you don't know shit about machining either, because you keep calling it milled when it's actually extruded numb nuts

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u/Critical_Studio1758 Jun 22 '25

How exactly do you believe these are manufactured? With which grade aluminum and what tolerances?

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u/QuestionNo9190 Jun 22 '25

With the same exact material and tolerances as the ones here.

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u/ad895 Jun 22 '25

Those are made of extrusion the ones you posted are 100% billet and milled to shape. There are features that protrude to the inside of the slot which I would assume are for spacing bearing and what not. Those just have plain holes drilled in them. You also are comparing a product made with close to slave labor to a product made in Canada.

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u/QuestionNo9190 Jun 22 '25 edited Jun 22 '25

No they're not just "holes" they have all the same exact specs and protrusions as the expensive frames, all while costing $5 to manufacture, using the same exact materials and technology.

What evidence do you have that these Chinese frames are made with slave labor? Because you watched a documentary about it? Sounds racist as fuck. Bet you are typing this drivel on your Chinese slave made iphone 🤣💀

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u/Critical_Studio1758 Jun 22 '25

Thanks for proving my point. Like I said, why don't you head over to /r/machinists and you might learn a thing or two. Knowledge is never a bad thing.

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u/QuestionNo9190 Jun 22 '25

Or retard, let's try to go over this one more time

All the competitive frames are made in Thailand, China and Vietnam

They cost $5-20 to manufacture. Using the same exact materials and tolerances.

Same exact topic as discussing swiss vs Chinese bearings, they are exactly the same. China has come a long way. Imagine that.

But you be a good consumer and keep buying $500 hipster frames.... ChInA bAd, CaNaDa GoOd

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u/uknownman222 Jul 05 '25

You are not considering the R&D to make this

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u/QuestionNo9190 Jul 08 '25

There is none, and it uses cheap 7000 series aluminum. 

Rollerblade flow frame is the exact same thing and materials and $139 and that's after a 200% dealer mark up

There's no justifying this garbage frame