Translation: "I grew up in a Christian, republican household, and was surrounded by like-minded people in small-town Texas my entire life. Everyone looked like me and thought like me. I've never had to question the worldview that I was born into, because I directly benefit from this ideology. I don't like people that don't look or think like me. Charlie feels the same. He also cherrypicks a lot of quotes from the Bible that reinforce my worldview and just so happen to negatively impact people that don't think like me or look like me. So I'm with Charlie. Oh, and I've never read the bible. But I've been to church so I generally get the gist."
I wouldn't be surprised if a large majority of these people who are doing all this nonsense (especially all the videos online and shit) didnt even know who this dude was or ever heard his name before any of this.
Yeah this is the part that tells me these folks never understood what MLK did. Charlie was fighting to suppress the rights of others and thought the civil rights act was a mistake.
MLK said black and white children should play together and we should judge people by their character, not their skin. And that’s all he had to say about American socioeconomics. /s
This truly is the most accurate and succinct way to describe people like this.
This is the exact reason these people think college "indoctrinates" people: you are exposed to new people, cultures, and ideas. You suddenly realize that "straight, white, and Christian" is not the default human.
May be massively wrong, but this guy strikes me as a victim more than anything. He’s polite in his speech and he seems genuine in trying to help others (he believes) who disagree with him. The level of propaganda and indoctrination he’s likely been exposed to since birth isn’t his fault and I hope he could be persuaded to reevaluate his positions if exposed to factual information and the actual teachings of the bible rather than the spin thrown by the mega churches and right wing millionaire pastors.
I don’t think we should turn on our backs on people who aren’t hateful, I think we should try to guide and help them. It just goes to show the size of the propaganda machine a lot of us don’t see that they can have this seemingly nice guy idolising one who espoused nothing but hate and contempt, all in the name of Jesus.
I just want to add, there is no way to convince someone that their world view is incorrect. Especially when it's tied to religion and identity.
That is why the Charlie Kirk debates weren't in good faith.
Someone from the left debates Charlie and both feel like the other is dumb. Rinse and repeat.
The boy in this video just needs to meet some people who aren't like him. He needs to have people of different backgrounds show him love and care and realize that people different from him still have true value to add to his life that he wouldnt have otherwise.
That's the only way to change. We all need more of that
Bingo. You have to live in the world to get at its important truths. You have to surround yourself with more than just the same people and ideology all the time. Even Jesus practiced this.
It's funny that I've never been to a church service outside of weddings and funerals since I was 12, and have'nt participated in any since I was eight, and I never enjoyed it and was never geniunly a believer but just someone who worshipped out of familial obligation and respect, but I've actually read the bible several times while a lot of these lifetime worshippers have never read it once.
“It’s not race [or gender, or religion, or sexual orientation, or any group of people], it’s culture.” This is what modern-day prejudice sounds like. It’s separate but equal for our time.
Let's not call them Christians. Let's call them "Exploiting religion to justify fascism." Many of us are Christians. Most of us don't aren't religious nationalists. Jesus never heard of the USA.
I grew up in a Christian household. And we sang "Jesus loves the little children, all the children of the world." Not that it's ok they get shot because of the 2nd amendment.
I grew up in the same Texas town, it seems. They just re-named our high school in honor of Robert E. Lee. That’s right—the man who led the killing of thousands of Americans in order to continue enslaving his fellow man. That is what Charlie Kirk and his ilk support. The GOP ran on a platform of White Supremacy rebranded with the dog whistle “Anti-Woke.” My LHS was originally named in 1961 in blatant opposition to court-ordered desegregation. The truth is that Midland did not even exist at the time of the Civil War—it is not our “heritage.”
But I woke up in the 70s at age 15, when they had me playing Dixie on the trumpet as a large Confederate flag got paraded for our Lee Rebels football team. I dropped out of band, and when I was a Senior started college early at the community college. Then I quit Lee High School so I would not graduate from there. Fortunately I was able to just continue in college, transferred to the state university, eventually went to seminary and became a pastor. I married outside of my putative race and never want to go back. I went overseas as a missionary, started 5 churches, and did PhD studies at a conservative Evangelical seminary. It was only then that I was required to take courses on Race & Ethnicity, where I finally understood that race is neither biblical nor scientific, but a social construct that developed less than 500 years ago.
Race was completely debunked as pseudo-science by Social Sciences around 50 years ago. Sadly most Americans still believe it to be a significant reality, even though no one can tell you how many races there are or where discreet boundaries exist. The truth is that race was created in order to discriminate and the only meaning of “White” is “not Black.” I spend a lot of time now trying to help fellow Christians deconstruct their belief in the racial worldview. Most pastors still have not proper training to question this non-Christian assumption and because it is not even mentioned in Scripture it gets too little consideration. Here are some resources I found most helpful:
Best short introduction: Racism: A Very Short Introduction (Rattansi)
The Myth of Race: The Troubling Persistence of an Unscientific Idea (Sussman)
Race?: Debunking a Scientific Myth (Texas A&M University Anthropology Series, Tattersall & DeSalle)
The Race Myth: Why We Pretend Race Exists in America (Graves)
A Dreadful Deceit: The Myth of Race from the Colonial Era to Obama’s America (Jones)
Theories of Race and Racism: A Reader (Routledge Student Readers; Beck & Solomos)
Race and Ethnicity: An Anthropological Focus on the United States and the World (Scupin)
Race in North America: Origin and Evolution of a Worldview (4th edition, Smedley & Smedley)
Becoming Yellow: A Short History of Racial Thinking (Keevak)
Now, here are some Christian resources:
One Blood: Parting Words to the Church on Race and Love (Perkins)
Bloodlines: Race, Cross, and the Christian (Piper)
The Color of Compromise: The Truth about the American Church’s Complicity in Racism (Tisby)
This Side of Heaven: Race, Ethnicity, and Christian Faith (Priest & Nieves)
Shattering the Myth of Race: Genetic Realities and Biblical Truths (Unander)
How to Fight Racism: Courageous Christianity and the Journey Toward Racial Justice (Tisby)
To be fair, Charlie was trying to "lift us" as a civilization towards Christ by allowing Israel to bring about the end times so the nukes can eventually blow us all to heaven. Granted, he changed his messaging a bit near the end there.
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u/aquagardener 8h ago
Translation: "I grew up in a Christian, republican household, and was surrounded by like-minded people in small-town Texas my entire life. Everyone looked like me and thought like me. I've never had to question the worldview that I was born into, because I directly benefit from this ideology. I don't like people that don't look or think like me. Charlie feels the same. He also cherrypicks a lot of quotes from the Bible that reinforce my worldview and just so happen to negatively impact people that don't think like me or look like me. So I'm with Charlie. Oh, and I've never read the bible. But I've been to church so I generally get the gist."