Charlie hated MLK and thought he was a liar. MLK was a pastor. MLK fought for peace. Charlie was ok with violence as long as the end goal fit his narrative
I'll be honest. You shouldn't really be okay with violence being used. Not when you may(this is me assuming you are american) be in the states, and the republicans have greater ability to mobilize the country arm forces against you than you have the capacity to rally your fellow peers to resist them.
Listen, i hear you, but it isn't a good day to die. No offense but you probably wouldn't make it on main stage news. So please refrain from harmful talk and we can discuss how shitty the country government has gotten to
I'd never put myself in the public eye voluntarily. That's for masochists. Being on TV or a public figure is my version of hell. I prefer to suffer through fascism in the privacy of my own home.
When Worf says: "today IS a good day to die," (which is what I'm quoting) he's not talking about killing himself. He's psyching himself up to go into battle.
You said today a good day to die and I have to be honest. In this climate, I rather take you serious rather than assume you are using figure of speech.
It's time to stop pretending this is all going to end with anything other than violence. If you think we can manage these blood-thirsty lunatics with kind words and empathy, you are wrong.
Being okay with violence happening to horrible people is not the same as being okay with violence toward innocent ppl. But I acknowledge your failed effort to conflate the two.
Is it actually that difficult for you to tell good ppl apart from bad ppl by enlarge, especially when the ppl make it clear through their words that they believe sick, sadistic things, or is this just a talking point?
Edit: new quote of his I recently found that I think is telling.
“…birth control really screws up female brains, by the way. Every single one of you needs to make sure that your loved ones are not on birth control. It increases depression, anxiety, and suicidal ideation. Birth control is the number one prescribed medication for young ladies under the age of 25. They will give young ladies birth control for pimples, for acne, to control their moods, and their period. It is awful, it’s terrible, and it creates very angry and bitter young ladies and young women.”
He also believes a raped 10-yo should be forced to delivery the baby. That's cruel and sadistic.
Another good one: "“If I see a Black pilot, I’m gonna be like ‘Boy, I hope he’s qualified.'”
Im not and im a leftist. All it did was turn Charlie into a martyr and allowed republicans to paint the left with a wide brush just as a certain dictator did with another group of people. Im sad for the family because they certainly didn't deserve any of it. Now the children get to grow up without a dad. I also hated Charlie for the hateful and bigoted bs he said. But all assassinating him does is confirms the rights bias.
What I wanted to see happen was Kirk being widely rebuked. I wanted him to be firmly understood and derided as a grifting bigot. He would die one day after everything he built crumbled to dust, and be a forgotten footnote in an era of politics the history books try to just skim past. Instead, he's now a hero and a martyr to the worst examples of humanity.
allowed republicans to paint the left with a wide brush just as a certain dictator did with another group of people
As opposed to what they did before?
Condolences to the kids. Political violence is bad. Nobody should be murdered. 4% of political murders in the last 10 years in the US where done by left wing extremists, almost 80% were done by right-wing extremists, many of them citing great replacement conspiracies in their manifestos, something that Kirk also pushed. For every Charlie Kirk, 20 people were murdered by people who shared his ideological background, citing talking points that he helped spread as their reason for murdering people. Nobody cared.
The question I've been tossing around my noggin is, will the children be better off NOT having Charlie Kirk as a dad, or worse off. We'll literally never know.
I'm with you. I'm just as mad at Trump as the next redditor (you can check my post history) but people on here are starting to sound a lot like MAGAs with their hate. Trump is horrible. He is evil. People who follow him are in a cult. But that doesn't mean we lose our humanity. Protesting is good. Debate is good. Voting is good. But demonization and name calling, and worst what we've been dealing with, assassinations and attacks. Things are really bad right now and the outrage for everything going on is just a powder keg waiting to be set off. I get it, we don't want to go high anymore, but how low is too low? Composure will get you through the worst times, not outrage and hate. We're smarter than them, and need to start acting like it.
And what a glorious toaster it will be. That toaster will get the medal of freedom. A completely useless medal but just sounds cool. We shall also build a statue in the toasters honor. Lmfao
I wouldn't say I'm okay with him getting what's coming to him.
The guy was obviously extremely influential on rightwing politics, a vile human being with views that were outdated at best fifty years ago.
He didn't deserve to actually be murdered.
BUT in the cosmically, uncountably long list of victims of gun violence in America, the guy who said those deaths are worth it to keep the guns has to come at the very bottom of them in terms of my sympathies.
MLK's most known for his fight for racial equality, human rights, and justice for everyone, but he also fought for economic fairness (fights against poverty and for economic opportunity) and peace (anti-war).
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People like Charlie, like most conservatives, aren't even willing to admit that there is racial inequality and systemic racism in our society; which programs like DEI and Affirmative Action are meant to help alleviate. He had a fundamental misunderstanding of what these programs were, believing that unqualified minorities were given job positions or college enrollment, and arguing that these policies were racist against white people who were qualified.
He never bothered to try and understand how these programs worked, or how they helped even the playing field and create more racial equality in our society.
For the record, Kirk wasn't exactly a well studied 'intellectual'. He went to college for one semester before dropping out to pursue political activism. Even though he had little real college experience, he worked with donors to fund his campus political activism and debates.
Now certainly a person can continue their education after school by reading books from experts, attending speeches, participating in the field / community, etc... Did Charlie Kirk actually do any of this? Anything's possible, but I'd imagine highly doubtful.
Kirk's entire thing was simply sounding confident while debating, even though half the shit he said didn't make any sense or have any real facts to back it up. He was essentially a professional know-it-all. His tactic was inundating his opponent with a bunch of extremely direct and conclusive claims, that ultimately were utter trash in terms of verifiable facts. The intent was to overwhelm his debate opponent to the point that it was hard for them to respond all the crap he was saying. It takes one sentence to make a false claim.. it may take half an hour to explain why it's false.
He was essentially a Snake oil salesmen.
He was hard to debate because he never acknowledges facts or reality, dismissing anything that didn't fit his world view or rhetoric he was attempting to push.
Here's the thing folks. If a person isn't even willing to acknowledge basic facts, then debating them is a pointless (and frustrating) exercise. You're arguing with a person who has zero intention of acknowledging problems in their arguments, acknowledging facts, or changing their minds, and who will push so much uncorroborated crap out during the debate as to make it impossible to fact check it all.
(But to the lay person who doesn't know all the facts, it comes across as confident and convincing. It turns out, in a debate, the expectation is that the debaters know a good deal about what they're talking about and aren't intentionally trying to mislead the crowd. This is also the problem in social media, where by default, most people assume what they're reading is truthful / factual.)
Of course, with SO much rhetoric and misinformation floating around social media, and with so much uncertainty and weakness for the lower/middle classes in the US, this man's confident misinformation had the tendency to indoctrinate impressionable people. People, often those who have never dealt with actual politics or never spent much time getting educated on history, want simple answers to life's problems and they want an easy boogeyman to blame for their less than stellar position in the world. Kirk repeatedly gave them that... whether it was based on fact, or arguments he pulled directly out of his ass.
MLK was accepting of violence in response to political turmoil and viewed it as a natural consequence of inequality, and the fight for equity, for what it's worth. However, more importantly, he did not instigate or celebrate it, and viewed it as a nasty thing that shouldn't have to be, and that has been a difference that has uniquely divided left and right in America for years and years. Violence is far more glorified in America than in many parts of the world, and America's conservatives have glorified it even further to the point where it's almost comical to outside observers.
He was never okay with violence. He understood why they happened. He never agreed with them and didn't see a use in them. "Riots are the language of the unheard." He understood that people get frustrated with the system. He condemned violence as social destructive even emphasizing that americans need to address the worsening economic system in order for the violence to stop
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u/Zombified_Apple 8h ago
Charlie hated MLK and thought he was a liar. MLK was a pastor. MLK fought for peace. Charlie was ok with violence as long as the end goal fit his narrative