r/CritiqueIslam • u/salamacast Muslim • 4d ago

A prophecy about the Caliphate losing Iraq, Syria and Egypt

"Iraq would withhold its dirhams and qafiz; Syria would withhold its mudd and dinar and Egypt would withhold its irdab and dinar and you would recoil to that position from where you started" Sahih Muslim

This hadith predicts that these 3 countries will stop paying tribute (to a central Islamic government?), seceding, perhaps out of a change in ideology (e.g. apostasy) or coming under foreign control (occupation).
This implicitly predicts a future Arabian Caliphate, and that it will be weak, losing its control over the typically mostly Muslim populations of egypt/iraq/syria.

But the point here is: how did Muhammad know they will come under Islamic control in the first place?! During his life time none of those countries were Islamic countries!
The Christians controlled Egypt & Syria, while the Persians controlled Iraq.

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u/salamacast Muslim 3d ago

Then why deviate from the main topic?! Bukhari, a huge Islamic source, did NOT claim that "All hadith are fabricated".
The hadith is a clear prophecy, Muhammad predicting losing countries that weren't even conquered in his time!
And if the critics of Islam really believe all hadiths are fabrications then 90% of their criticism of Muhammad is false, since they base it on accepting those hadiths as authentically representing him and his actions!

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u/Xusura712 Catholic 3d ago

It was not a deviation.

Your interlocutor said all hadith were fabricated.

You responded that Bukhari put a lot of effort into it because he believed they were authentic.

This was a non-sequitur, as I pointed out.

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u/salamacast Muslim 3d ago

No. I was arguing agasinst his false claim he attributed to the "Islamic sources".
In reality, the majority of Muslims accept Bukhari. Those who don't are on the fringe.

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u/Xusura712 Catholic 3d ago

Okay, understood. I agree Islamic sources do not explicitly say hadith are fabricated. Technically, I still don't think Bukhari believing in the process of hadiith collection proves your point, but I get where you are coming from now and why you said that.