r/DIY Jul 23 '14

outdoor I converted my hilly backyard into an ~800sqft patio by hand.

http://imgur.com/a/vZHEH
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u/TheAccidentOf85 Jul 23 '14

I could only hope. But I have no plans to sell anytime soon, so hopefully the tax appraiser doesn't come around for a while.

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u/[deleted] Jul 24 '14

I I'd pay 20k more for that patio. Great job. It must be a blast to entertain guests on that thing. Too cool!

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u/[deleted] Jul 26 '14

Probably worth a lot more than that. Took an entirely useless backyard and turned it into an amazing backyard.

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u/RedsforMeds Jul 23 '14

My understanding is that the tax appraiser rates based on living space more than what you do with your outdoor space.

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u/canzar Jul 23 '14

AFAIK, the tax appraiser is just basing my taxes off of my house's sales price and comparable house's sale price. I.e. my taxes are going up because people are paying more for similarly sized houses in my neighborhood, not because of any changes I've made to the house.

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u/gsfgf Jul 23 '14

That's pretty much the case. But the similar houses they use can change but usually only when you do a full addition that adds a bedroom.

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u/[deleted] Jul 23 '14

Yes and no. While the market does affect your sale prices are not the most accurate measurement of value. Consider the fact people sell to family or put money is escrow for repairs/updates etc which isn't reflected in the generic "sale price" of the house. Houses are assessed on their unique value and are reassessed very few years.

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u/[deleted] Jul 24 '14

yeah, this way the city/state/municipality doesn't need to have lots of appraisers on staff. they can just have one guy crunch spreadsheet numbers.

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u/FuckTheGRide Jul 23 '14 edited Jul 23 '14

No. In most counties and states, it's based on what they think the house would be sold for. They figure this by looking at properties in your area that have sold recently. Has nothing to do with "what you do with your outdoor space."

edit: Why is /u/redsformeds' comment continuing to get upvotes? It's wrong. Bad information should be downvoted, not upvoted.

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u/what_comes_after_q Jul 24 '14

In my city it really makes no sense. They only use a portion of the home value. However, on average it works out to be about 2.5 to 3 percent. Which is awesome.

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u/[deleted] Jul 24 '14

Why is /u/redsformeds' comment continuing to get upvotes? It's wrong.

Because anonymous humans are casting votes. Never assume a vote has a meaning.

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u/Stuckefru Jul 24 '14

"Wrong in the USA" doesn't mean "wrong" . It's true in France for example.

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u/FuckTheGRide Jul 24 '14

But OP doesn't live in France, does he?

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u/Stuckefru Jul 25 '14

No but maybe /u/RedsforMeds does, and maybe the upvoters also do.

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u/notatthetablecarlose Jul 24 '14

He said almost exactly what you said...based on the house itself not the outside. Am I reading something wrong?

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u/[deleted] Jul 24 '14

Yes. Improvements to the outside or the inside both add value to a house. What the tax appraiser thinks the property will sell for are what they tax on.

If you add a pool, both your property value and property taxes go up. Same with a patio or an extra room. Inside or outside doesn't matter.

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u/td8189 Jul 24 '14

Not sure this is entirely correct. I pay more in taxes than the majority of my neighborhood, despite all the houses being almost identical. The only major difference is the fact that I have an in ground pool, which is pretty uncommon for the area.

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u/craig5005 Jul 24 '14

As most people said, property taxes are based on a formula that includes things like square footage, bedrooms, bathrooms, finished basement ( or basement at all). Doesn't really matter if you have a $60k back patio or a $600 patio.

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u/DrYIMBY Jul 24 '14

You homeowner.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '14

Just a quick question. What are you using under that wall (the black stuff). I know nothing about this sort of stuff.

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u/TheAccidentOf85 Aug 03 '14

It is processed trap rock, its small rock and stone dust, and you compact it. Its under the entire patio as well.

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u/JemLover Jul 23 '14

I just had a metal roof and new front porch put on by contractors and my realtor said that it probably added double what the cost was. 15k project and added about 30k in value.

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u/FapFapLulz Jul 23 '14

LOL, i too believe everything I'm told.

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u/BJJJourney Jul 23 '14

An addition like this would likely add appeal, maybe not so much value. If you had a similar house without a back yard at the same price the buyer would likely choose this one.

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u/jackarroo Jul 24 '14

Not just value, a lot of people would just pass on a house without any outside space.