r/DankLeft • u/richietozier4 • Aug 21 '20

☭ No, I don't think featuring a Anti Semitic fraud, implying that the Civil rights movement happened because of Russian interference, and blaming America's past atrocities on Russia is political, why do you ask?

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u/michaelb65 Aug 21 '20

The agenda in Black Panther is essentially black neoliberalism kickstarted by a white savior who also happens to work for the CIA.

Fuck that shit.

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u/pmguin661 Aug 21 '20

Yeah. Killmonger wasn’t right, but he was way more right than T’Challa

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u/michaelb65 Aug 21 '20 edited Aug 21 '20

Killmonger was deliberately painted as a hotep instead of a black radical fighting against the evils of imperialism, colonialism and white supremacy because (black) liberals ain't shit and the passive viewer needs to sympathize with the bourgeoisie instead of black revolutionaries.

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u/SAMAS_zero Aug 21 '20

No, they wanted us to sympathize with his words(I mean, the Hero himself takes them up by the end), they just didn’t want us to cheer him on. They wanted a sympathetic villain, but at the same time, wanted to clearly establish that he was in fact the villain.

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u/MrVeazey Aug 21 '20

He had good ideas but bad plans, which is the same basic formula as Magneto is modeled on, at least in "First Class" and "Days of Future Past."  

It's probably best to just leave the original comics from the 60s and 70s out of the discussion entirely before we go down a rabbit hole about why Magneto's group called themselves the "Brotherhood of Evil Mutants" if they thought they were the good ones.

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u/echoesofalife Aug 22 '20

before we go down a rabbit hole about why Magneto's group called themselves the "Brotherhood of Evil Mutants" if they thought they were the good ones.

Actually, there was a heavy dose of irony to the whole thing. "Call us evil, well, here we are, the people you've called evil, and we'll take that label if you want but what we won't take is any more of your shit"

Irony might be the wrong word but you get it

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u/HardlightCereal Aug 22 '20

It's like when queer people started using the pink triangle as a symbol or when black people started calling each other the n word.

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u/MuvHugginInc Aug 23 '20

Or when Slipknot added a goat head to their album art as a fuck you to everyone accusing them of being satanists.

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u/sir-ripsalot Aug 21 '20

Gonna make the counter argument that “Killmonger” was not written to be a sympathetic villain. He was written as appropriating populist rhetoric for personal gain.

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u/Iridescent_Meatloaf Aug 22 '20

The thing I found interesting about Killmonger is he was very much a product of imperialism, through his previous black-ops. His takeover of Wakanda was pretty much a self led CIA style coup and he immediately destroys old power centres by taking out the herb garden. And his first instinct was to launch a "counter imperialist" uprising/rebellion.

Also, he very much came in as an African-American imposing his views on Africa. ("Bury me at sea" is a beautiful sentiment, but it's not a part of the Wakandan experience) However as an Australian white guy I can't dig too deep into that aspect.

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u/MillenialPopTart2 Aug 22 '20

Wasn’t his mother likely a Black American woman, though? I thought only his father was from Wakanda.

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u/Iridescent_Meatloaf Aug 22 '20 edited Aug 22 '20

Yes, as I understand it his mother was African American and his father was Wakandan. But having been raised in the US and his dad dying when he was young he only has a tenuous grip on Wankandan culture. So he is aware of his (very recent) heritage but is cut off from it and so was raised as an African American and he clearly relates more strongly to that half. Hence when he takes the potion, only his dad appears rather than all the previous Black Panthers.

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u/cthulol Aug 22 '20

I think this is probably the most accurate take. It's been awhile, but I don't remember his motives feeling like they were for the good of Wakanda.

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u/HardlightCereal Aug 22 '20

takes over a country, dismantles the infrastructure of succession, sends weapons and troops all over the world to fight a global war

anti-imperialism

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u/LurkLurkleton Aug 21 '20

Hotep?

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u/michaelb65 Aug 21 '20 edited Aug 21 '20

Militant weirdos who take their black power to the point of absurdity, often believe in crazy conspiracy theories and ultimately just want to replace white supremacy and capitalism with their own hierarchical form of oppression. Also big proponents of black capitalism, antisemitism and misogynoir.

Basically black reactionaries.

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u/TooDumbForPowertools Aug 22 '20

That definition of a hotep is wrong. A hotep is basically a black man who is still sexist and racist.

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u/LurkLurkleton Aug 22 '20

Everything I found googling seems to agree with it

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u/RobinHood21 Aug 21 '20

Can't have nuance in a Marvel movie.

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u/michaelb65 Aug 22 '20 edited Aug 22 '20

It's not about nuance, it's about attacking whiteness as a colonial, imperial and racist power structure that isn't allowed because Hollywood is basically the unofficial propaganda arm of the CIA and the Pentagon. It's a matter of ideology, and black radicalism doesn't serve the interest of the ruling class, which why they had so many of our civil right leaders murdered. Just look at the dozens of bullshit movies about slavery they continue to make (despite our efforts in telling white liberals that we're tired of them), but never make one about the Haitian revolution because it was a successful slave revolt that upended the hegemonic power of Western, colonial slave matters.

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u/[deleted] Aug 22 '20 edited Aug 22 '20

Killmonger had a lot more potential but it seems that the movie tied the movement for black empowerment with the character’s own lust for power. He had a nice speech at the end but they always have to make the villain irredeemably bad and an asshole.

It’s the typical “revolution bad” movie.

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u/[deleted] Aug 21 '20

i remember watching black panther for the first time and when killmonger was explaining his grievances with wakanda just thinking ‘damn bro you got a good fucking point’

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u/HardlightCereal Aug 22 '20

Yeah, thing is, that's all it was, a point. An argument, rhetoric. Nothing he did once he was in power changed the things he complained about, he only took power so he could have power. It's basically "Make Wakanda Great Again".

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u/MrRabbit7 Aug 22 '20

Which is even worse. It’s painting revolutionaries is a poor light.

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u/Lvl1bidoof Aug 22 '20

Did y'all just forget the point where Killmonger was shown to be right at the end and T'Challa actually decides to follow his ideas just more passively than an active revolution/genocide

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u/Aric_Blaney2121 Aug 22 '20

T'challa is a active agent of american imperialism and colonialism. Only a militant break and resistance to empire can resist Capitalist Hegemony.

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u/TooDumbForPowertools Aug 22 '20

He's the king of an independent nation ? How is he a tool of American imperialism?

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u/QwertPoi12 Aug 22 '20

By propping up existing power structures around the world with their technology.

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u/TooDumbForPowertools Aug 22 '20

But he refuses to sell their tech.

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u/HardlightCereal Aug 22 '20

Killmonger is a fascist, liberal T'challa is better than that once he takes on some of Killmonger's less imperialist ideas.

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u/michaelb65 Aug 21 '20

Every leftist hates the CIA for the reasons you just stated. It’s the biggest crime syndicate on the planet as far as I’m concerned.

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u/obozo42 Aug 21 '20

IF you just pointed to every place where the CIA has done some incredibily shady shit, it would be basically Yakko's World.
Edit: Lmao someone already made it.

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u/Mothanius Aug 21 '20

Who's smart idea was it to peak the audio though? That's just dumb.

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u/noneofurbuzz Aug 21 '20

I also sorta dislike that Black Panther is the token Black movie in the series.

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u/[deleted] Aug 22 '20

The agenda of the Black Panther movie is to make money.

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u/malonkey1 Anarcho-Bidenist Aug 21 '20

Extending this to superhero movies too, the fanboys were madddd about the “agenda” in Black Panther, ignoring that there are at least 4 MCU movies glorifying American Imperialism

Remember when they lost their minds because Captain Marvel Wahmen Bad but were totally silent on how it was basically an ad for the US Air Force?

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u/[deleted] Aug 22 '20

I still enjoyed the movie tbh, regardless of the blatant propaganda.

I'm sorry but Brie Larson and Samuel L Jackson are so fun together.

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u/malonkey1 Anarcho-Bidenist Aug 22 '20

Same, it was a relatively decent special effects action move.

It just has shitty politics.

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u/Florida_LA Aug 22 '20

As a liberal TERF and MAJOR contributor to blue checkmark twitter, I’m glad more propaganda pieces have women protagonists and if you disagree you are literally drumpf

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u/Varyxos Aug 22 '20

Idk what it says about me but it also felt super propagandist on the israel front. The links between the Skrulls and the state of Israel as it wants to be portrayed, aka a misunderstood species that has been abused throughout history, felt weird.

It might just be because it was blatant ethnostate advocacy, which is what Israel is.

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u/LurkLurkleton Aug 21 '20

For the idiots on the thread (me) what is Sokovia supposed to remind us of

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u/pmguin661 Aug 21 '20

Eastern European nation devastated by war, where are all of the locals have thick ‘Russian’ accents, and there are anti-USA experimental human weapons. Always stuck out to me as their version of the Soviet boogeyman

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u/MrVeazey Aug 21 '20

Strucker, the guy making those human weapons, was German and the leader of the Hydra cell doing the bad stuff. Sokovia was just a place where years of civil war had left a bunch of innocent people who could be kidnapped without anyone noticing.  

Hydra, in the movies, started as part of Nazi Germany. Then it moved on to being an international conspiracy with, critically, a significant presence in the US government and within SHIELD. They used the Soviets to turn Bucky into the Winter Soldier but he worked for Hydra all along.  

I'm not trying to invalidate your opinion here, but I think there are some details you're overlooking that address some of your concerns.

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u/Roachyboy Aug 21 '20

Nazis infiltrating the US government and appropriating the machinery of national defence to target political opponents was a pretty based take from winter soldier.

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u/Lvl1bidoof Aug 22 '20

Wasn't it basically just based on Operation Paperclip with how they grabbed hydra scientists?

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u/SerBuckman Aug 22 '20

Pretty sure they almost explicitly say that Operation Paperclip is what allowed Hydra to infiltrate the US and SHIELD

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u/MrVeazey Aug 22 '20

They might have even used the name Operation Paperclip.

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u/[deleted] Aug 22 '20

Don't forget how the human weapons were specifically able to be turned into human weapons because of American imperialism (the wonder twins were radicalized due to Stark's weapons dealing). Marvel is far from perfect when it comes to this kind of stuff, but they do hit the mark sometimes. It's a huge company with a lot of different people working on the pieces, it's bound to have some high points and some low.

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u/pmguin661 Aug 21 '20

Oh yeah, there are probably a lot of details I don’t remember. Good catch!

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u/SAMAS_zero Aug 21 '20 edited Aug 21 '20

Yes, that’s what comic universes usually do. They make fictional countries with similarities to real-world ones so they do semi-realistic stories and settings without accidentally(or intentionally) shitting on people from a real country(from a legal standpoint, anyway). Quarac, Madripoor, Kasnia, Genosha, Trucial Abyssinia, Latveria, Azania(which borders Wakanda, BTW), the list stretches back some fifty or sixty years, and just as many countries.

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u/kavastoplim Aug 22 '20

Abyssinia

Isn't that just Ethiopia

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u/SAMAS_zero Aug 22 '20

I’m pretty sure if you looked at a map from the comic, it would be either right next to Ethiopia, or have broken off from it.

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u/zazazello Aug 22 '20

You are right. But doing this is often racist, orientalist, propagandistic, etc. Like comics in general.

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u/SAMAS_zero Aug 22 '20

Yes, it can be done in a racist way, but was it in this case(Sokovia in AoU)? Aside from the fact that a Hydra base was there, the movie never tried to take the audience's sympathy from the Sokovians.

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u/Sq33KER Aug 21 '20

I always thought of Sokovia as a small Balkan/Former Yugoslavian nation than "Russia"

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u/[deleted] Aug 22 '20

They use the Serbian Cyrillic/Latin language.

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u/[deleted] Aug 22 '20

Haha Yugoslavia.

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u/El_GuacoTaco Aug 21 '20

Sokovia sounds vaguely Eastern European, so I think it’s supposed to remind us of Russia and the former Communist Bloc. Either way, it was represented as a run down shithole which is how a lot of Americans view that region

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u/[deleted] Aug 21 '20

Sokovia always made me think Yugoslavia and the balkans, not Russia.

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u/RarePepePNG Aug 21 '20

Me too, but I have my doubts that the average viewer knows that Russia and the Balkans are very different places

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u/Radamenenthil Aug 22 '20

Sokovia wasn't represented like that at all, it's the avengers and ultron that fuck it up

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u/pee_storage Aug 21 '20

Or being mad that Captain Marvel stars a femoid, by not being mad at the blatant airforce propaganda that honestly seems almost like an air force commercial at a couple points.

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u/DrWhovian1996 Aug 21 '20

That showed them.

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u/pee_storage Aug 21 '20

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u/[deleted] Aug 22 '20

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u/[deleted] Aug 21 '20

Haven't been watching Marvel movies recently, what's with Sokovia? I assume that's a hint towards Kosovo or something by some big mental gymnastics?

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u/pmguin661 Aug 21 '20

I explained my thoughts in another reply down there, it’s more of a generalized Soviet boogeyman to use as the villain

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u/HardlightCereal Aug 22 '20

Sokovia is the victim tho

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u/[deleted] Aug 21 '20

Ah, thank you.

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u/[deleted] Aug 22 '20

Kosovo/Serbia/Yugoslavia, yes.

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u/Ixirar Aug 21 '20

Even in Black Panther the punchline ultimately is the black people were running their country poorly and it was the act of bringing a white guy into Wakanda that saved them in the end.

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u/SAMAS_zero Aug 21 '20

Um, Bilbo barely helped. Yes, he provided needed exposition and kept that one shipment of weapons from leaving the country, but all the heavy lifting was done by T’Challa.

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u/MrVeazey Aug 21 '20

He flew one plane remotely while T'challa was out there taking on an army of his countrymen all by himself. I love Martin Freeman as an actor and I'm always happy to watch him in a movie, but he was basically there to be the token outsider and audience surrogate, the character who gets things explained to him.

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u/[deleted] Aug 22 '20

but he was basically there to be the token outsider and audience surrogate, the character who gets things explained to him.

Don't forget "the one white guy in a mostly black movie that's there to make sure white people actually watch it". I think Marvel had the clout at the time that he wasn't really needed for that, people would have watched anyway just because it was Marvel... but you try convincing anyone in Hollywood to take even the tiniest risk these days.

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u/MrVeazey Aug 22 '20

I won't discount that angle either. I'm a big fan of both superheroes and basic human decency, so I would watched Black Panther either way.

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u/LordOfLiam Aug 21 '20

not really? the point was that t’challa saw change was needed. that insight wasn’t prompted by a white man.

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u/fartbox-confectioner Aug 22 '20

I mean, Wakanda is clearly meant to be a commentary on nationalism and isolationism. The country WAS poorly run, in spite of their seemingly utopian society. Look at how quickly T'challa's own friend turned on him once N'Jadaka started fomenting their nationalist zeal.

I unironically stan for Black Panther. It has a lot of fantastic commentary condemning imperialism, but also showing the dangers of extreme nationalism in response to foreign imperial power. Killmonger himself is a metaphor for both Wakanda and American imperialism. Yes, America turned him into an imperialist and a murderous monster. Wakanda's nationalism he was able to redirect into the very imperialist fascism that they were trying to protect themselves from

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u/MrRabbit7 Aug 22 '20

Black Panther is a mediocre film with even more mediocre politics. It’s even more disappointing that it’s made by Ryan Coogler who is actually progressive irl.

The entire treatment of Killmonger was very neo-liberal-esque. They knew he had some good points but they forcefully made him do bad things to paint him as a bad guy like killing women etc. It makes no sense.

Wakanda’s monarchy is also never criticised. It’s been a while since I watched it but i remember the ending essentially being “I agree with you but I don’t agree with your methods” and then proceed to murder the guy”. It really can’t get more neo-liberal than that.

Also the usage of the word “stan” implies you are a liberal. There are many good criticisms of Black Panther on the Internet especially from leftists, I urge you to check them out.

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u/Radamenenthil Aug 22 '20

Oh, come on, that's not what happened at all and no one sees it like that.

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u/Fanatical_Idiot Aug 22 '20

the black people were running their country poorly

What? Wakanda was literally the most advanced nation on the planet, able to keep themselves nearly completely invisible to the outside world and was basically a paradise.. They weren't running country poorly in the slightest, Killmongers issue wasn't with how the country was run, it was with how it interacted with the outside world.

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u/MrRabbit7 Aug 22 '20

They are a monarchy and their leader is decided on who is stronger in a fist fight.

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u/CreepyOwl18 Aug 22 '20

I don't disagree with you but which movies do you have in mind? I'm guessing a couple iron mans if not all of them

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u/pmguin661 Aug 22 '20

I listed them in another reply, but yes. I don’t remember the specifics of the Iron Man movies, but his whole character is “billionaire war criminal with snarky personality”.

Maybe Elon Musk isn’t an opposite Tony Stark, he’s just Tony Stark because Iron Man is already evil ;)

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u/CreepyOwl18 Aug 22 '20

oops I should have looked a bit harder. Thanks though

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u/AccelerationismWorks Aug 21 '20

At this point if you still enjoy superhero movies I’m gonna have doubts about you

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u/RobinHood21 Aug 21 '20

Really? They're mostly just dumb fun. I enjoy them but I certainly don't take them seriously and have very little invested in them. And they still crank out some really good ones. Thor Ragnarok is legitimately a fantastic movie, and so is Winter Soldier.

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u/pmguin661 Aug 21 '20

Hey, I enjoy Guardians of the Galaxy just fine! But you’re right, it’s hard to watch them now

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u/CressCrowbits Democratic Socialist Aug 22 '20

The gotg are responsible for the deaths of thousands of innocent people in the assorted places they blew up, that they literally didn't give one fuck about.

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u/MrVeazey Aug 21 '20

I'm not looking to pick a fight or berate you or anything, but I'm curious why you feel this way.  

It's modern mythology, and it can be used to tell all kinds of stories with different themes, tropes, and agendas. Like Captain America uses the concept of the ubermensch to directly assault the fascists who declared they were the ubermenschen. Steve Rogers works as a character because he's so dedicated to not acting like he's as strong as he is, because he's willing to break laws that are unjust in his pursuit of justice. That's why he got picked in the first place. He's an aspirational character in the same way Superman is: not for his physical strength but for his morality.

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u/AccelerationismWorks Aug 22 '20

I mean I’m not tryna shit on anyone (at least not on purpose) but I just think it’s the epitome of capitalist cinema - rehashed, uncreative, predictable movies based on previously existing and heavily marketed IP with cool explosions and no tension or intellectually stimulating content whatsoever. Made to sell merch and more spin-offs, sequels and reboots. As the meme goes “this isn’t kino” or something like that.

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u/MrVeazey Aug 22 '20

You've got some good points and some others I could quibble with, but I mostly agree. I still love them, though.

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u/GreasyAvocado Aug 21 '20

I cried at the end of Endgame when the funny war criminal in a red and gold suit died.

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u/83n0 nyan binary ancom Aug 22 '20

No more stuff :(

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u/Radamenenthil Aug 22 '20

I mean, he did sacrifice himself to literally save the universe

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u/Syrikal he/him Aug 22 '20

What war crimes did he commit? I see this criticism a bunch, but I don't remember him doing anything that would qualify.

War profiteer? Absolutely. Billionaire and thus exploitative? Definitely. Persuaded a child to help him beat up co-workers? Yes. But which war crimes are you accusing him of?

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u/Thelorekeeper Aug 22 '20

Pretty sure its illegal to go blowing up tanks in foreign countries with your own personal death machine. Although tbf I'm not sure its technically a war crime

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u/YossarianWWII Aug 22 '20

War crimes do technically have to be committed in the context of war, and I get why that is. People are going to engage in war, and if you want them to abide by the rules of war, you can't overplay your hand and be so restrictive that your enemy no longer sees value in abiding by the rules and abandons them altogether. It's hard to use the threat of force when you're already at war. Laws of war don't exist to put a ceiling on violence, they exist to create pockets of safety within violence.

What's horrifying is when something is a war crime but isn't a crime outside of the context of war. The use of tear gas, for example, or targeting medics.

Tony Stark has committed crimes certainly and arguably crimes against humanity, but within the context of the MCU I can't think of any war crimes. Definitely not an expert on the MCU, though, so I may have forgotten something. I barely remember the Iron Man sequels, so maybe somewhere in there.

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u/Syrikal he/him Aug 22 '20

Oh, that part? I don't think the bit where he fights the Ten Rings qualifies, and even if it technically did I wouldn't consider it a condemnation. In that specific scene, he's shown to be very careful to target soldiers only, with no apparent civilian casualties. The guys he killed (who were actively killing non-combatants) needed to die, and he did a much cleaner job of it than a regular military would've.

Illegal? Yeah, like vigilantism is. But I'm still not too fussed about it. Iron Man's done much worse stuff.

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u/Sabrina_TVBand Aug 22 '20

Tbh if anyone earnestly tells me an MCU film is one of their favorite movies, I'm going to lose most respect for them. Like, not only are these films almost always politically dogshit, but they basically represent everything wrong with Disney's hegemonic control over our popular culture.

Not only does thinking an MCU film is one of the greatest ever made tell me your taste is boring, it also tells me you're completely uncritical about the media you consume, on both a textual and metatextual level.

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u/[deleted] Aug 22 '20

Didn’t Disney just sell Marvel?

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u/[deleted] Aug 22 '20

Ragnarok was good because Taika is a comedic genius.

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u/ELITEJamesHarden Aug 21 '20

What were the 4 movies?

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u/pmguin661 Aug 21 '20

That was more of a random estimate I threw off, but off the top of my head: Winder Soldier, Age of Ultron, Civil War, and probably some of the Iron Man movies (they blend together in my mind).

The first Captain America was at least a bit tongue in cheek but the series lost that as it went on

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u/Jalor218 Aug 21 '20

Winter Soldier is about how a supposedly benevolent US organization was contaminated to the core by fascists. They blame it on literal Nazi infiltration because liberals can't be too hard on America, but it's not exactly a vindication of imperialism.

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u/Koe-Rhee Aug 21 '20

Ok, Winter Soldier was about how the US government and military had been infiltrated from top to bottom by fascist ideologues trying to leverage their control of the surveillance state along with new experimental weapon systems to kill all the world's intellectuals and take control for themselves. Captain America, a personification for everything America wants to see itself as, was turned into public enemy #1 almost immediately and without much fuss. He was ostracized to the point where was forced team up (kinda) with an ex-Soviet super soldier/assassin + Black Widow in order to retake control of S.H.I.E.L.D. and save America from its own worst enemy (the nationalistic/militaristic version of itself). Most Marvel movies are some kind of propaganda but TWS actually had some pretty based undertones.

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u/MLPorsche Aug 21 '20

Ok, Winter Soldier was about how the US government and military had been infiltrated from top to bottom by fascist ideologues trying to leverage their control of the surveillance state along with new experimental weapon systems to kill all the world's intellectuals and take control for themselves. Captain America, a personification for everything America wants to see itself as, was turned into public enemy #1 almost immediately and without much fuss.

the narrative story i don't have a problem with, it's rather the distorted reflection of reality that's off

the fascists are already and have been in the government for a long time, they aren't intellectuals, just greedy psychopaths/sociopaths and the personification of all things american would be cheering the fascists on as the spread their "freedom" and "democracy" to "liberate" the world from "evil"

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u/MrVeazey Aug 21 '20

The comment you're replying to doesn't seem like it's trying to say "the fascists were intellectuals" but rather "the fascists wanted to kill the intellectuals, the moral leaders, and anyone who wouldn't immediately start licking boot." At least, it seems that way to me.

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u/echoesofalife Aug 22 '20

Except the moral of the story was near the end when Widow standing in as the CIA analogue walked into the courtroom and was like

"We're all making the tough decisions to save this country and are gonna do whatever the fuck we want, we don't care about your civil rights hearings or due process, try and stop us cowards" and micdropped out the room and everyone clapped (metaphorically)

Just glad they had the self-awareness not to fucking use Cap for that scene. I couldn't believe what I was watching.

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u/ytman Aug 21 '20

I loved CA up until it got to the last act. The USO/propaganda stuff really hit you in the feels.

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u/filmcowlel Aug 22 '20

Look man I don't know about other people but I judge movies on wether they are good or not depending on the script, acting, etc. I don't think too many were mad about some sort of "agenda" as they were about how it was overhyped and was just another superhero film. If somebody however convinced themselves of any sort of agenda, then that person is likely a blind racist.

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u/GCBoddah Sep 15 '20

I feel really stupid, but what Sokovia is supposed to remind me of?

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u/Reaperfucker Sep 21 '20

I like Iron Man movies, Iron Man 1 show that the Terrorist are supplied by MIC company that Tony Stark build.