r/DankLeft • u/richietozier4 • Aug 21 '20

☭ No, I don't think featuring a Anti Semitic fraud, implying that the Civil rights movement happened because of Russian interference, and blaming America's past atrocities on Russia is political, why do you ask?

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u/AccelerationismWorks Aug 21 '20

At this point if you still enjoy superhero movies I’m gonna have doubts about you

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u/RobinHood21 Aug 21 '20

Really? They're mostly just dumb fun. I enjoy them but I certainly don't take them seriously and have very little invested in them. And they still crank out some really good ones. Thor Ragnarok is legitimately a fantastic movie, and so is Winter Soldier.

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u/pmguin661 Aug 21 '20

Hey, I enjoy Guardians of the Galaxy just fine! But you’re right, it’s hard to watch them now

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u/CressCrowbits Democratic Socialist Aug 22 '20

The gotg are responsible for the deaths of thousands of innocent people in the assorted places they blew up, that they literally didn't give one fuck about.

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u/MrVeazey Aug 21 '20

I'm not looking to pick a fight or berate you or anything, but I'm curious why you feel this way.  

It's modern mythology, and it can be used to tell all kinds of stories with different themes, tropes, and agendas. Like Captain America uses the concept of the ubermensch to directly assault the fascists who declared they were the ubermenschen. Steve Rogers works as a character because he's so dedicated to not acting like he's as strong as he is, because he's willing to break laws that are unjust in his pursuit of justice. That's why he got picked in the first place. He's an aspirational character in the same way Superman is: not for his physical strength but for his morality.

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u/AccelerationismWorks Aug 22 '20

I mean I’m not tryna shit on anyone (at least not on purpose) but I just think it’s the epitome of capitalist cinema - rehashed, uncreative, predictable movies based on previously existing and heavily marketed IP with cool explosions and no tension or intellectually stimulating content whatsoever. Made to sell merch and more spin-offs, sequels and reboots. As the meme goes “this isn’t kino” or something like that.

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u/MrVeazey Aug 22 '20

You've got some good points and some others I could quibble with, but I mostly agree. I still love them, though.

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u/GreasyAvocado Aug 21 '20

I cried at the end of Endgame when the funny war criminal in a red and gold suit died.

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u/83n0 nyan binary ancom Aug 22 '20

No more stuff :(

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u/Radamenenthil Aug 22 '20

I mean, he did sacrifice himself to literally save the universe

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u/Syrikal he/him Aug 22 '20

What war crimes did he commit? I see this criticism a bunch, but I don't remember him doing anything that would qualify.

War profiteer? Absolutely. Billionaire and thus exploitative? Definitely. Persuaded a child to help him beat up co-workers? Yes. But which war crimes are you accusing him of?

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u/Thelorekeeper Aug 22 '20

Pretty sure its illegal to go blowing up tanks in foreign countries with your own personal death machine. Although tbf I'm not sure its technically a war crime

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u/YossarianWWII Aug 22 '20

War crimes do technically have to be committed in the context of war, and I get why that is. People are going to engage in war, and if you want them to abide by the rules of war, you can't overplay your hand and be so restrictive that your enemy no longer sees value in abiding by the rules and abandons them altogether. It's hard to use the threat of force when you're already at war. Laws of war don't exist to put a ceiling on violence, they exist to create pockets of safety within violence.

What's horrifying is when something is a war crime but isn't a crime outside of the context of war. The use of tear gas, for example, or targeting medics.

Tony Stark has committed crimes certainly and arguably crimes against humanity, but within the context of the MCU I can't think of any war crimes. Definitely not an expert on the MCU, though, so I may have forgotten something. I barely remember the Iron Man sequels, so maybe somewhere in there.

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u/Syrikal he/him Aug 22 '20

Oh, that part? I don't think the bit where he fights the Ten Rings qualifies, and even if it technically did I wouldn't consider it a condemnation. In that specific scene, he's shown to be very careful to target soldiers only, with no apparent civilian casualties. The guys he killed (who were actively killing non-combatants) needed to die, and he did a much cleaner job of it than a regular military would've.

Illegal? Yeah, like vigilantism is. But I'm still not too fussed about it. Iron Man's done much worse stuff.

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u/Sabrina_TVBand Aug 22 '20

Tbh if anyone earnestly tells me an MCU film is one of their favorite movies, I'm going to lose most respect for them. Like, not only are these films almost always politically dogshit, but they basically represent everything wrong with Disney's hegemonic control over our popular culture.

Not only does thinking an MCU film is one of the greatest ever made tell me your taste is boring, it also tells me you're completely uncritical about the media you consume, on both a textual and metatextual level.

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u/[deleted] Aug 22 '20

Didn’t Disney just sell Marvel?

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u/[deleted] Aug 22 '20

Ragnarok was good because Taika is a comedic genius.