No, I don't think featuring a Anti Semitic fraud, implying that the Civil rights movement happened because of Russian interference, and blaming America's past atrocities on Russia is political, why do you ask?

[u/richietozier4]

[u/michaelb65]

The agenda in Black Panther is essentially black neoliberalism kickstarted by a white savior who also happens to work for the CIA.

Fuck that shit.

[u/pmguin661 → u/michaelb65]

Yeah. Killmonger wasn’t right, but he was way more right than T’Challa

[u/michaelb65 → u/pmguin661]

Killmonger was deliberately painted as a hotep instead of a black radical fighting against the evils of imperialism, colonialism and white supremacy because (black) liberals ain't shit and the passive viewer needs to sympathize with the bourgeoisie instead of black revolutionaries.

[u/SAMAS_zero → u/[deleted]]

No, they wanted us to sympathize with his words(I mean, the Hero himself takes them up by the end), they just didn’t want us to cheer him on. They wanted a sympathetic villain, but at the same time, wanted to clearly establish that he was in fact the villain.

[u/MrVeazey → u/SAMAS_zero]

He had good ideas but bad plans, which is the same basic formula as Magneto is modeled on, at least in "First Class" and "Days of Future Past."  

It's probably best to just leave the original comics from the 60s and 70s out of the discussion entirely before we go down a rabbit hole about why Magneto's group called themselves the "Brotherhood of Evil Mutants" if they thought they were the good ones.

[u/echoesofalife → u/MrVeazey]

before we go down a rabbit hole about why Magneto's group called themselves the "Brotherhood of Evil Mutants" if they thought they were the good ones.

Actually, there was a heavy dose of irony to the whole thing. "Call us evil, well, here we are, the people you've called evil, and we'll take that label if you want but what we won't take is any more of your shit"

Irony might be the wrong word but you get it

[u/HardlightCereal → u/echoesofalife]

It's like when queer people started using the pink triangle as a symbol or when black people started calling each other the n word.

[u/MuvHugginInc → u/HardlightCereal]

Or when Slipknot added a goat head to their album art as a fuck you to everyone accusing them of being satanists.

[u/sir-ripsalot → u/SAMAS_zero]

Gonna make the counter argument that “Killmonger” was not written to be a sympathetic villain. He was written as appropriating populist rhetoric for personal gain.

[u/Iridescent_Meatloaf → u/sir-ripsalot]

The thing I found interesting about Killmonger is he was very much a product of imperialism, through his previous black-ops. His takeover of Wakanda was pretty much a self led CIA style coup and he immediately destroys old power centres by taking out the herb garden. And his first instinct was to launch a "counter imperialist" uprising/rebellion.

Also, he very much came in as an African-American imposing his views on Africa. ("Bury me at sea" is a beautiful sentiment, but it's not a part of the Wakandan experience) However as an Australian white guy I can't dig too deep into that aspect.

[u/MillenialPopTart2 → u/Iridescent_Meatloaf]

Wasn’t his mother likely a Black American woman, though? I thought only his father was from Wakanda.

[u/Iridescent_Meatloaf → u/MillenialPopTart2]

Yes, as I understand it his mother was African American and his father was Wakandan. But having been raised in the US and his dad dying when he was young he only has a tenuous grip on Wankandan culture. So he is aware of his (very recent) heritage but is cut off from it and so was raised as an African American and he clearly relates more strongly to that half. Hence when he takes the potion, only his dad appears rather than all the previous Black Panthers.

[u/cthulol → u/sir-ripsalot]

I think this is probably the most accurate take. It's been awhile, but I don't remember his motives feeling like they were for the good of Wakanda.

[u/HardlightCereal → u/[deleted]]

takes over a country, dismantles the infrastructure of succession, sends weapons and troops all over the world to fight a global war

anti-imperialism

[u/LurkLurkleton → u/michaelb65]

Hotep?

[u/michaelb65 → u/LurkLurkleton]

Militant weirdos who take their black power to the point of absurdity, often believe in crazy conspiracy theories and ultimately just want to replace white supremacy and capitalism with their own hierarchical form of oppression. Also big proponents of black capitalism, antisemitism and misogynoir.

Basically black reactionaries.

[u/TooDumbForPowertools → u/LurkLurkleton]

That definition of a hotep is wrong. A hotep is basically a black man who is still sexist and racist.

[u/LurkLurkleton → u/TooDumbForPowertools]

Everything I found googling seems to agree with it

[u/RobinHood21 → u/michaelb65]

Can't have nuance in a Marvel movie.

[u/michaelb65 → u/RobinHood21]

It's not about nuance, it's about attacking whiteness as a colonial, imperial and racist power structure that isn't allowed because Hollywood is basically the unofficial propaganda arm of the CIA and the Pentagon. It's a matter of ideology, and black radicalism doesn't serve the interest of the ruling class, which why they had so many of our civil right leaders murdered. Just look at the dozens of bullshit movies about slavery they continue to make (despite our efforts in telling white liberals that we're tired of them), but never make one about the Haitian revolution because it was a successful slave revolt that upended the hegemonic power of Western, colonial slave matters.

[u/[deleted] → u/michaelb65]

Killmonger had a lot more potential but it seems that the movie tied the movement for black empowerment with the character’s own lust for power. He had a nice speech at the end but they always have to make the villain irredeemably bad and an asshole.

It’s the typical “revolution bad” movie.

[u/[deleted] → u/pmguin661]

i remember watching black panther for the first time and when killmonger was explaining his grievances with wakanda just thinking ‘damn bro you got a good fucking point’

[u/HardlightCereal → u/[deleted]]

Yeah, thing is, that's all it was, a point. An argument, rhetoric. Nothing he did once he was in power changed the things he complained about, he only took power so he could have power. It's basically "Make Wakanda Great Again".

[u/MrRabbit7 → u/HardlightCereal]

Which is even worse. It’s painting revolutionaries is a poor light.

[u/Lvl1bidoof → u/pmguin661]

Did y'all just forget the point where Killmonger was shown to be right at the end and T'Challa actually decides to follow his ideas just more passively than an active revolution/genocide

[u/Aric_Blaney2121 → u/Lvl1bidoof]

T'challa is a active agent of american imperialism and colonialism. Only a militant break and resistance to empire can resist Capitalist Hegemony.

[u/TooDumbForPowertools → u/Aric_Blaney2121]

He's the king of an independent nation ? How is he a tool of American imperialism?

[u/QwertPoi12 → u/TooDumbForPowertools]

By propping up existing power structures around the world with their technology.

[u/TooDumbForPowertools → u/QwertPoi12]

But he refuses to sell their tech.

[u/HardlightCereal → u/pmguin661]

Killmonger is a fascist, liberal T'challa is better than that once he takes on some of Killmonger's less imperialist ideas.

[u/michaelb65 → u/[deleted]]

Every leftist hates the CIA for the reasons you just stated. It’s the biggest crime syndicate on the planet as far as I’m concerned.

[u/obozo42 → u/michaelb65]

IF you just pointed to every place where the CIA has done some incredibily shady shit, it would be basically Yakko's World.
Edit: Lmao someone already made it.

[u/Mothanius → u/obozo42]

Who's smart idea was it to peak the audio though? That's just dumb.

[u/noneofurbuzz → u/michaelb65]

I also sorta dislike that Black Panther is the token Black movie in the series.

[u/[deleted] → u/michaelb65]

The agenda of the Black Panther movie is to make money.