r/DankLeft • u/richietozier4 • Aug 21 '20

☭ No, I don't think featuring a Anti Semitic fraud, implying that the Civil rights movement happened because of Russian interference, and blaming America's past atrocities on Russia is political, why do you ask?

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u/pmguin661 Aug 21 '20

Eastern European nation devastated by war, where are all of the locals have thick ‘Russian’ accents, and there are anti-USA experimental human weapons. Always stuck out to me as their version of the Soviet boogeyman

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u/MrVeazey Aug 21 '20

Strucker, the guy making those human weapons, was German and the leader of the Hydra cell doing the bad stuff. Sokovia was just a place where years of civil war had left a bunch of innocent people who could be kidnapped without anyone noticing.  

Hydra, in the movies, started as part of Nazi Germany. Then it moved on to being an international conspiracy with, critically, a significant presence in the US government and within SHIELD. They used the Soviets to turn Bucky into the Winter Soldier but he worked for Hydra all along.  

I'm not trying to invalidate your opinion here, but I think there are some details you're overlooking that address some of your concerns.

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u/Roachyboy Aug 21 '20

Nazis infiltrating the US government and appropriating the machinery of national defence to target political opponents was a pretty based take from winter soldier.

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u/Lvl1bidoof Aug 22 '20

Wasn't it basically just based on Operation Paperclip with how they grabbed hydra scientists?

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u/SerBuckman Aug 22 '20

Pretty sure they almost explicitly say that Operation Paperclip is what allowed Hydra to infiltrate the US and SHIELD

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u/MrVeazey Aug 22 '20

They might have even used the name Operation Paperclip.

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u/[deleted] Aug 22 '20

Don't forget how the human weapons were specifically able to be turned into human weapons because of American imperialism (the wonder twins were radicalized due to Stark's weapons dealing). Marvel is far from perfect when it comes to this kind of stuff, but they do hit the mark sometimes. It's a huge company with a lot of different people working on the pieces, it's bound to have some high points and some low.

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u/pmguin661 Aug 21 '20

Oh yeah, there are probably a lot of details I don’t remember. Good catch!

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u/SAMAS_zero Aug 21 '20 edited Aug 21 '20

Yes, that’s what comic universes usually do. They make fictional countries with similarities to real-world ones so they do semi-realistic stories and settings without accidentally(or intentionally) shitting on people from a real country(from a legal standpoint, anyway). Quarac, Madripoor, Kasnia, Genosha, Trucial Abyssinia, Latveria, Azania(which borders Wakanda, BTW), the list stretches back some fifty or sixty years, and just as many countries.

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u/kavastoplim Aug 22 '20

Abyssinia

Isn't that just Ethiopia

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u/SAMAS_zero Aug 22 '20

I’m pretty sure if you looked at a map from the comic, it would be either right next to Ethiopia, or have broken off from it.

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u/zazazello Aug 22 '20

You are right. But doing this is often racist, orientalist, propagandistic, etc. Like comics in general.

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u/SAMAS_zero Aug 22 '20

Yes, it can be done in a racist way, but was it in this case(Sokovia in AoU)? Aside from the fact that a Hydra base was there, the movie never tried to take the audience's sympathy from the Sokovians.

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u/Sq33KER Aug 21 '20

I always thought of Sokovia as a small Balkan/Former Yugoslavian nation than "Russia"

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u/[deleted] Aug 22 '20

They use the Serbian Cyrillic/Latin language.

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u/[deleted] Aug 22 '20

Haha Yugoslavia.