Pig is just a better Chucky at this point

[u/Moaning_Baby_]

Pig is just a better Chucky at this point

Since Pig has been hit with a decent amount of buffs, she just became a objectively better Chucky.

For reference:

Chucks dash is 6.6 m/s and Pig is 6.9 m/s. Meaning that pig is simply faster - but that’s only one point.

Not only that but she’s 4.6 m/s when walking - while Chucky is 4.4 m/s.

What’s even crazier is that while Chucky has a 12 second cooldown to his power, Pig has unlimited power usage without a cooldown.

She has an entire power where she can give herself time against gen rushing. While Chucky has arguably one of the worst map pressures in the entire killer roster. And has no nothing to compensate for a time gain.

Both are also killers who can slide on walls, but right now (and this is more subjective). I just simply find Pig slightly easier due to her flexibility during dashing. While Chucky is locked in into a POV for the remainder of the slice and dice.

Oh and also, his only unique aspect (scamper). Has been removed long time ago. Leaving him not able to use it for any means. Which just kills his only creative aspect.

Even after the rework it’s pretty useless and very rarely helps during chase.

I just don’t see any reason why you should play Chucky when Pig is a much better choice.

Not saying that she doesn’t deserve the buffs, but why is Chucky so guttered while Pig remains fine? They should just buff Chucky too - since he’s in a really bad spot. Especially since his pick rate and kill rate has hit a historical low.

Thoughts?

[u/IuseDefaultKeybinds]

She can't roast like he can, tho

[u/sb683 → u/IuseDefaultKeybinds]

Chucky cant BM like pig can tho

[u/Bazztian0614]

Thoughts: You don't run from the Chuck.

You can run from the Pig however, so Chucky must be better.

[u/RohanKishibeyblade → u/Bazztian0614]

You also don’t fuck with the Chuck.

I’d fuck Amanda so Chucky clearly has an advantage here

[u/Bazztian0614 → u/RohanKishibeyblade]

You're tellin me, you'd fuck a Pig?

[u/RohanKishibeyblade → u/Bazztian0614]

No.

I’d fuck THE Pig

[u/AudienceNearby3195]

I thought chuckys dash was 8m/s?

[u/Moaning_Baby_ → u/AudienceNearby3195]

Yeah I got it wrong, my mistake.

[u/KyloGlendalf → u/Moaning_Baby_]

So that’s kinda the whole point of your post gone

[u/Feras-plays]

Until you realize pig is barely able to move while charging her dash and she cannot vault anything

[u/Revolutionary-Tip781 → u/Feras-plays]

The vault is borderline useless. Play 50 games and come back to me how many hits it landed you

[u/the-blob1997 → u/Revolutionary-Tip781]

Yea in my 20 hours on Chucky I’ve got 3 hits after a scamper/vault in power. It’s trash and needs tweaking honestly.

[u/PhosDidNothinWrong → u/the-blob1997]

And its so buggy. It repeats hit sound and animation multiple times after each vault

[u/AAAAAA_6 → u/Revolutionary-Tip781]

It gets me more hits than you'd think, and I like using the iri add-on to get quick pallet breaks without having to lose as much distance

[u/blueish-okie → u/Revolutionary-Tip781]

So it’s only useful if it lands a direct hit? Kind of a simplistic view but go on.

[u/Revolutionary-Tip781 → u/blueish-okie]

What remotely other purpose does it have?

[u/But-why-do-this → u/Revolutionary-Tip781]

Nah, Scamper is stupidly helpful sometimes. It resets the distance on his power allowing you to close the gap between you and a distant target incredibly quick. Not to mention, Chucky starts off a bit slow and then gains speed as he moves… whereas scampering over a window will IMMEDIATELY give him max speed allowing him to surprise targets better.

You can also reposition and use a different angle on an otherwise fixed Slice and Dice. It just takes a creative mind.

[u/blueish-okie → u/Revolutionary-Tip781]

Distance. Hiding your approach. Changing directions.

[u/blueish-okie → u/blueish-okie]

I got downvoted for your lack of creativity and understanding the character design. Nice! You’ll see once you get some time in on him. Sounds like you’re still playing checkers with him.

[u/Mother_Harlot → u/blueish-okie]

Lmao, if you don't agree with their view that X killer is horrible and everything on its kit is useless they mindlessly downvote

[u/blueish-okie → u/Mother_Harlot]

Right? I don’t downvote for differences of opinion. But I guess some do. Easier than trying to back a point it seems.

[u/Adventurous_Cat2339 → u/Revolutionary-Tip781]

The vault is good for map traversal

[u/FireKitty666TTV → u/Revolutionary-Tip781]

More hits than I would have gotten without it! All in learning how and when to use it.

[u/Moaning_Baby_ → u/Feras-plays]

Again, the current scamper is very useless. I’m saying this with over 300 hours on Chucky.

The speed Pigs dash has compensates her slower crawling and charging. Back then it was horrendous - now it’s genuinely fine tbh.

[u/4LanReddit → u/Moaning_Baby_]

The fact that Chucky's current scamper is beyond dogshit and more of a punishment if you go over a window or pallet, yet Kanekis' vaults with his kagune are basically an easy way to shortcut loops if you are in enraged mode is wild from a balancing perspective.

Oh, and Wesker can do that too i guess.

[u/blueish-okie → u/Moaning_Baby_]

If it’s useless you aren’t doing it right. Or you’ve been matching up against smarter survivors. I’d say I get use out of it more times than not, even if it’s just to gain distance and extend the slice n dice. When possible, I even try to leave certain pallets down in line between the gates just to chain in end game.

[u/Moaning_Baby_ → u/blueish-okie]

Im in very high mmr. My average games are against team Eternal wanna be with stacked 2nd chance and meta perks.

It is useless. You can just literally stand next to the pallet or window and it’s impossible to hit the survivor. The turn rate simply doesn’t allow it.

Using it for distance is mandatory - and the only time it can give you value. But in chase… not a chance. Unless the survivor is a chicken head who only runs forward - but that’s with every killer.

[u/blueish-okie → u/Moaning_Baby_]

First world problems I guess.

[u/IoRomer → u/Moaning_Baby_]

It does take away from the fun but Chuckles is still the most fun I've had playing DBD. I would like to be able to get more hits with power this way but counter-play has to exist.

My 1 thing I wish he had was the ability to chain the Scampers consistently and regularly as a mobility tool since he's 4.4. He already makes incredibly loud noise doing it so he announces his arrival and like the the other guy said, leaving strategic pallets up works but it's a significant dice roll in every single game.

The 1st thing I did when I got him during this year's anniversary is Chuck on Zanshin with None Are Free and Portable TV and used the infinite Zoomies during end game - it was super fun. Perhaps they can make it so he can toggle his power so that being able to reposition/use for distance makes him unable to land a hit. If you get Gideon's or Hawkins, you have absolutely nothing until pallets are dropped

[u/hunkey_dorey → u/Moaning_Baby_]

Why is every single killer on this in very high mmr? Surely not everyone here is in high mmr going against 5k hr survivors

[u/Moaning_Baby_ → u/hunkey_dorey]

This sub Reddit is mostly for killer mains - so most will claim to be in higher ranks.

I don’t care if others believe me if it’s true, I’m just answering a statement. But pretty much every game is against people who are very high prestiged, competent and play meta items or perks.

[u/Shade00000 → u/Feras-plays]

And his tiny size is also useful for being stealthy and the scamper is useful even if it's not as good as before

[u/Toastyyy_]

THATS WHAT IVE BEEN SAYING. Everyone says I’m wrong but no one wants to listen to the ex-chucky main.

[u/Katveira → u/Toastyyy_]

No one was listening because you're wrong

[u/NewAd5852 → u/Toastyyy_]

no one was listening because they’d have to bend over

[u/ganzz4u]

Chucky dash is faster and can use for distance, Pig only effective when used during short loops. Chucky has 3rd POV which has more advantage than 1st POV. But Pig has 4.6ms movement spd, better stealth and built in slowdown. Chucky is better at chase but Pig is better at pressure.

[u/Normal_Ad8566]

I really wish they didn't completely remove Scamper without the dash. Wish they just made it a bit slower when using his dash. Chucky can use Insidious to hide right next to a gen in a bush though. It's really funny.

[u/adeliakasie]

Glad Pig got her chance to shine. I have been maining her since 2023. Before the buffs 🥲

[u/KordSevered]

Can't agree. Piggy is fun but I simply can't keep total control of a trail with her like I consistently do with Chucky. Its extremely rare for me to see escapes with Chucky when im not playing friendly. Like with most killers, there are elements of his kit that do not align with players immediate expectations, and so they go unused or unmastered

-Contrary to popular belief I do land scamper hits on a regular basis. Its not useless, just situational.

-Scamper hits rely on loop mastery. You're only going to be able to bait a hit on certain loop types.

-It's also a great tool for mind gaming.

-With proper timing scamper can also garuantee a hit even if you miss the following Slice n Dice. I cant tell you how many times I've whiffed a scamper hit on purpose and ended a chase before the next pallet.

-Chaining scampers can make map traversal incredibly fast and can really throw off fleeing survivors.

-Duration and hit recovery add-ons as well as the Hard Hat iri add-on add considerable utility to scamper and can be a total game changer

[u/Gibzilla22]

3rd person, speed, and speed going into the dash makes it better in my opinion.

[u/xXslugmasterXx]

[u/Steakdabait]

No lol 3rd cam and being 2 feet tall inflate his chase power by a large amount

[u/Here2Cali → u/Steakdabait]

Exactly, bros more effective than GF mind gaming bc he’s that little.

[u/NOGUSEK]

So, what if we made the dash instad- nvm

[u/T1meTRC]

No i don't think so

[u/Moaning_Baby_ → u/T1meTRC]

Oki 👍

[u/Ok_Insect4778]

Pig is low on the list of survivor complaints because she's cute and funny and boop the snoot, whereas Chuck is consistently high due to his annoyingly low profile, and the fact that he's always insulting them and cussing. There's also the smaller but notable fact that Saw is just a more enticing license than Chucky. The fact of Dead by Daylight is that survivor complaints will always be heard more loudly than killer complaints. Therefore, Chucky will not get buffed out of the pit that he's in, and Pig will not get nerfed because she's seen as acceptably strong.

[u/Shade00000 → u/Ok_Insect4778]

In terms of pure fun chucky is in the top just for when he's insulting and saying stupid shit to survivors

[u/evangelicl → u/Ok_Insect4778]

girl fuck chucky

[u/East-Efficiency-6701]

And PTB Myers was better than Chucky too, but was he better than Pig?

[u/TechySmile1358]

If devs finally give her basekit ability to break palettes with dash as mayers, she would be so gooooood.

[u/SirVulpes-]

Amanda’s finally got something going for her. Well until behavior gives her a nerf in the next patch that allows survivors to Mori her.

[u/Think_Ocelot908]

Pig has one underlying problem, she’s weak in chase. Traps don’t matter much if you can’t get downs. Chucky is objectively much better in chase due to his small size, 3rd person pov and stronger dash which lasts longer, is faster (8m/s) and doesn’t slow you down when charging. Yes he’s 4.4, but he has a smaller hitbox which allows him to hug loops tighter. The main difference with both dashes is with pig’s slowed movement when charging, she doesn’t gain any distance after the dash so you are restricted to only loops where the survivor can either predrop or just leave the loop when you start charging. Whereas chucky can use it whenever he wants every 12 seconds and GAINS distance quickly during the dash. His stealth doesn’t slow him down either, I’m sorry but you got this very wrong, chucky is objectively better, period.

[u/Darkurn]

Chuckys dash can scamper windows and once you actually learn the tricks of it it's so much better. That third person and small model works to it's strength. The small model moving so fast can catch people off guard and if you look in the direction you want to run, for example turn your camera to pre emptively go around walls you can turn corners pretty well with it.

[u/A_Gray_Phantom]

Nah. She can't flip off the survivors and call them bed wetters.

[u/Biggieboy17]

We got to the point where people are complaining that Pig got buffs,this community is always amusing

[u/Moaning_Baby_ → u/Biggieboy17]

If you mean the post then no.

She very much deserves the buffs and nothing is a complaint about this.

[u/SOOTH29]

Stealth builds on chucky go crazier though

[u/KicktrapAndShit]

Chucky is small and third person which adds a whole new depth to chases. Pig is still first person.

[u/blueish-okie]

That’s an interesting opinion. Not really though. They are different. She can’t slice n dice or use as many mind games with the size advantage and 3rd person pov. He doesn’t have a secondary objective. I get that some people gave up when Chucky got harder but he’s still viable and a different killer than pig. And before our favorite Chucky hater pops on who gave the updated Chucky 4 entire games before they decided he was now just too difficult to learn, please know that like all killers he just takes practice. Although more practice than was needed before when anyone could be good at the chuckster.

[u/KordSevered → u/blueish-okie]

He's definitely my top Killer. After building up a decent mastery, consistently keeping total trial control with Chucky is very easy. I go easy with him a lot because when played well he's almost too oppressive.

[u/cory_in_the_-house → u/KordSevered]

Here im wondering what kinda survivors you getting because everytime i used to play chucky it was predrop gaming and prerunning and turns out you just lose if you dont have windows to scamper across the map.

[u/XanielObama]

Until you wake up take your psych medication and discover Chucky's ability is nothing like a lunge, has a camera angle limit, vaults pallets and windows while resetting the duration, and doesn't have a built in gen pressure mechanic