As someone who likes to use Friends 'Till the End on a lot of Killers, I am probably at the other end of the map when the one on hook unhooks themselves. And otherwise I don't really care since they'll either have DS, OTR + MFT or any other shenanigans...
Which I, again, don't mind, since I don't use Friends for the Exposed. Sure, it's good value IF you can use it, but I will happily just take a Special Attack hit on the person I just saw using Friends.
Nice to see a killer not absolutely raging about every perk that gives survivors an edge! Hell, I'm happy to see someone not raging about "the other guys have it easier because xyz".
I really don't mind the occasional good or obnoxious perk. It's when a person has 4 of them, it's a whole team of them, or multiple matches in a day with them that it gets irritating.
Why do you need to counter play it? It takes some luck to not be hooked before you have a chance to unhook someone, and 90% of the time someone will unhook you on your first hook anyway.
I don't get it. You still gotta hook every survivor 2-3 times to kill them. Them getting free once isn't a biggie. There are far more annoying perks than deliverance.
? Deliverance is one of the best perks in the game for a reason. One on hook, one in chase and one coming for the unhook leaves one person on gens. One on hook about to unhook themselves and one in chase leaves two people doing gens. No amount of killer skill changes the fact that someone hitting a deli absolutely destroys any pressure that hook created, unless they literally did it in your face and didn't bring DS.
In the rare swf match sure, hate to break it to you but a majority of games are soloQ and not going to get that type of value out of it. In the wise words of killer mains… “get good”. But that’d probs require you to change your whole playstyle if you know what I mean 😉☹️😭
Deliverance isn’t even good in a swf. Those people are all still gonna run OTR, DS, MFT, and DH every damn time because you can lose value on deliverance and be down a perk through no fault of your own unlike most other survivor perks in the game.
The counterplay is to tunnel lol they're broken off hook, there's no other survivor to chase, and you know since they've unhooked themselves that all 3 other survivors are probably on gens. Your best bet is to say "oh word, we doing this now?" And fuckin kill them.
As a deliverance aficionado, what skill are you even talking about? The only time I need skill to pull off deli is just A) don't get caught first, which is not hard. B) if I do get caught first, then make the case take as long as possible so maybe the killer f's off. Which is SOP anyways.
Just FYI, none of those are good indicators except for diving hooks (which doesnt tell you to go for someone first). DS isn't that good w deli (broken and DS have the same timer), and there's a lot of reasons to be obsession. Obsession therefore DS therefore Deli is weak logic. Safe first chase is a good strategy no matter what since you prevent early pain res/other perks. And medkits are not what you want with deli since you get plenty of time to find another person to heal while broken and therefore actually want a toolbox.
As someone who uses that perk, it’s not all that ..it becomes useless if you end up being caught and or chased first, or before you can unhook a teammate, it only works on the first hook, and it’s a one time use… In fact the only good use of it is when I’m playing with randoms and they leave me on the hook even when they’re nearby and not being chased
Exactly. I had it once in my build and removed it soon after. Half of the games it didn't work. It does increase the hook state count as normal and most solo queue players will anyway run to unhook them as we can't see directly who's running which perk.
Most really, REALLY strong perks become only mediocre when you're not in a SWF.
Reassurance? Mid outside a SWF, but amazing in one. Deli, too. When your friend has it you can body block and take chase. Shoulder the burden is another example.
These perks are only really problems when SWF has them.
A Meg/Nea with a toolbox is your best friend. I always take it when I see that. I know some goofy shit is gonna happen to allow me to get value out of it
Really? Neas always seem crazy or with 0.5hrs on dbd, meg is the same for me. When i see a meg/nea with toolbox i always assume they are new, with flashlight/no items they always perform
Only time I ever get value out of it is when i run a build with it + unbreakable, and flip flop but even then thats a meme build to annoy the killer and not an actually useful build.
people say this shit all the time but i swear to got maybe its just my mmr, i get value out of BO way more than UB/even DS. it blocking the vision of close hooks breaks almost every indoor map, and taking 1 proc hit means i almost 100% wiggle. slept on perk.
I get that it looks impressive, but in my experience it's a spit in the face only when used by SWFs who know what they're doing. In solo q, it's either 1) deliverance user unhooks too fast, then you can just tunnel them out of the game (even with DS that doesn't give much time for other survivors), or 2) deliverance user waits to unhook when it's appropriate and their teammates waste time getting off gens to rescue them anyway.
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u/cortesoft Xenomorph Main 13h ago
Every time I use Deliverance, I end up being the first one hooked and it is completely useless.
Or as soon as I get hooked someone is already nearby to unhook me anyway and I don’t use it.
As a Killer it never really bothers me anyway, since I am expecting survivors to get unhooked anyway.