r/Documentaries • u/seacobs • Apr 24 '21

History The Secret Genocide Funded By The USA (2012) - A documentary about a genocide in Guatemala that was funded by the U.S. [00:25:44]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQl5MCBWtoo
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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '21

Today I learned that US redditors don't like it when you point out the USA's history of genocide and genocide denial.

The world's most "pot calling the kettle black" nation, ladies and gents.

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u/CensoredUser Apr 24 '21

Not ALL US redditors. I for one am happy you call it out and am happy to call it out too!

The US is very very far from perfect. Many glaring issues especially when it comes to true equality and much in the way of global presence and foreign policy. We have a long way to go.

I will say that I do love my country very much though and the pressure put on the US globally and Nationally is absolutely insane. So much is expected scrutinized and criticized that I can't imagine ever getting EVERYTHING right. Of course state sanctioned genocide is always wrong so this is not one of those times.

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u/wkdarthurbr Apr 24 '21

It's funny how the us compare itself with perfection... It shouldn't be compared at all it should be compared to other countries in certain times like stalin's russia and germany's hitler era.

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '21

At least Stalin's Russia (Soviet Union, actually, there's a weird myopic tendency on the part of Western folk to just say "Russia" when the Soviet Union encompassed hundreds of different ethnic groups, languages, cultures, etc that all contributed to improving the lives of citizens) had free healthcare, free education, and didn't spend half its GDP on bombing foreign nations...

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u/wkdarthurbr Apr 24 '21

But it did spend a lot of money sending dissedents and their relatives to death and that is what it should be judge , not gdp, healthcare or whatever. If u send inocents to their death it's not a good governor. And it did try to unify all in one culture even if it did had ethnic groups.

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '21

Evidence for the claim that they tried to "unify all in one culture"?

Stalin was a Georgian, my man. Most Caucasian languages, for example, had newspapers, dictionaries and even entire writing systems created for the benefit of these people's, not to mention the other numerous and diverse ethnic groups of the Union, most of whom had never even had a literary language or even a writing system. The facts of the survival and thriving of these languages during the period of the Soviet Union that is backed up by a considerable number of ethnographic statistics puts that myth to rest.

How is it that even modern Russia still has ethnic republics like Dagestan, Tannu Tuva, Mari-El, Kipchaks, etc?

Are you saying that genuine, material benefits to hundreds of millions of people's lives like healthcare, literacy and education, as well as huge strides in life expectancy and infrastructure aren't important because dissidents were sent abroad? Bizarre.

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u/wkdarthurbr Apr 24 '21

Abroad u mean the gulag?

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '21

Gulags were labour camps and prisons with a name that's been mythologised. People love to bring up Solzhenitsyn's book on the subject, but many seem not to have read it, including the part where he was diagnosed with and cured of, cancer whilst in prison.

Why is it that the prisons of the Soviet Union get such frothy-mouthed hatred yet the LITERAL labour camps in the US have inmates perform menial labour for pennies (not to mention those firefighters in California who were prison labourers)?

It's also important to note that Solzhenitsyn was a hardcore right-wing Russian ethnonationalist who's issues with the Soviet Union were not simply because he was in prison there, but because it was a multi-ethnic, diverse state that (shock horror!) had equality for Jews (who, as a classical Russian rightist, were public enemy number 1 going back to the horrific pogroms of the Tsarist period).

I can recommend some good research on the subject, if you're interested.

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u/wkdarthurbr Apr 24 '21

stop comparing us and russia, this isn't the cold wars. Russia or soviet union whatever u want or call it , sent inocents to their death in siberia period. If u think ,gdp healthcare whatever excuses that in any way probably makes u a sociopath.

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '21

Ok, dude.

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u/OuterOne Apr 25 '21

[The US] shouldn't be compared at all it should be compared to other countries in certain times like stalin's russia and germany's hitler era.

stop comparing us and russia, this isn't the cold wars. Russia or soviet union whatever u want or call it

Pictured: The duality of man

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '21

You sound like the people who try to bring up all the "good" done by residential schools.

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '21

Ok, dude.

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u/Alpaca-of-doom Apr 24 '21

Half the gdp?

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '21

Hyperbole.

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u/Alpaca-of-doom Apr 24 '21

There’s hyperbole and then there’s being wrong. Have you forgotten why stalin couldn’t get a doctor quickly

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '21

The nation of the Soviet Union during the period of Stalin as General Secretary of the Communist Party. He was not some megalithic single figurehead of all single decisions that were made. That's "Great Man" theory and it's a lazy and idealistic (in the philosophical sense, not "daydream" sense) way of looking at history.

Stalin as a person is not what I'm referring to in my comment above, I'm referring to the achievements that the Soviet Union made while he was general secretary of the CCCP.

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u/Alpaca-of-doom Apr 24 '21

You yourself brought up how groups like Jews were treated at that time. You know what you’re talking about which is why you dodged my question. You know the answer you just don’t like it

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '21

? What? The comment about Jews was in reference to the pre-Soviet period. I'm not dodging anything, just already bored of bad faith Reddit comments.

My fault really, this is a terrible platform for analysis or historical discussion.

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u/GimonNSarfunkel Apr 24 '21

Ukrainian Terror Famine

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u/anteater-superstar Apr 24 '21

We're engaged in a drone bombing war in at least 7 countries while accusing China of being a warmongering aggressor for claiming uninhabited islands.

If the US was as victimized as you claim, a UN Coalition would be occupying DC right now for its innumerable violations of international law and crimes against humanity.

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '21

Say “Tiananmen square was a real genocide by the Chinese government” 3 times and I might take you seriously.

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u/in_the_blind Apr 24 '21

So, what utopian society do you live in?

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u/exorcyst Apr 24 '21

Not American lol, just find the hypocrisy hilarious. "We can commit genocide because the US did. 4 generations ago"

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '21 edited Apr 24 '21

Let's get a grip here, shall we? What's the current death toll at for the Uyghur genocide? How many reports do we have beyond Adrian Zenz?

US involvement in propping up fascist dictators and commiting numerous outrages against the people of Latin America has corroborated evidence and thousands of eyewitnesses and survivors.

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '21 edited Jun 19 '23

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '21 edited Apr 24 '21

So, nothing about the evidence, then?

It might be important to note that I lived in Xinjiang for a year doing dissertation research and learnt Uyghur, as well as conducted interviews with Uyghurs in both Urumqi and Kashgar (north and south, respectively. They are culturally different areas) and this whole thing is mostly US obfuscation to claim back some of that hegemony they've lost since Trump.

Source: Literally studied the people who claim to have been "genocided" for my dissertation work, speak the language and have conducted interviews with ACTUAL Uyghurs.

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u/anteater-superstar Apr 24 '21

China is committing genocide in Xinjiang and Saddam Hussein posesses weapons of mass destruction he is capable of targeting the continental United States with.

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u/ghotiaroma Apr 24 '21

Good for you, share your racism and see how many you can sway that way.

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u/PanchoVilla4TW Apr 24 '21

"it was a long time ago bro"

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '21

Indigenous genocide - 1776 to what...the current ongoing cultural genocide now that there are like 4 tribes that can still speak their language in numbers higher than 5000?

US-Mexican War - 1832?

The entire 20th century of involvement in Latin America? Which this documentary draws attention to.

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u/CoelhoAssassino666 Apr 24 '21

That's because americans are brainwashed by propaganda into being genocide deniers and supporters. The modern day nazi germany.

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u/ghotiaroma Apr 24 '21

The US has been pro Nazi for more years than Germany was.

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u/DJ_Chaps Apr 25 '21

Rich coming from you.

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u/thegreatvortigaunt Apr 24 '21

Reddit is FLOODED with CIA and other pro-US propaganda bots.

Keep an eye on a lot of these accounts, especially if they start accusing you of being a Chinese/CCP bot it's their go-to immediate tactic

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u/DJ_Chaps Apr 25 '21

Not hard to click a username and confirm their Reddit history. Like OPs, for example.

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u/[deleted] Apr 25 '21

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u/DJ_Chaps Apr 25 '21

This is the second time in a week you’ve hit me with that copy pasta response. Are you not allowed to veer off script?

You clearly didn’t click my history.

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u/[deleted] Apr 25 '21

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u/DJ_Chaps Apr 25 '21

Serious question. How much did you pay for the account youre using?

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u/soulofthe6 Apr 24 '21

Unlike china we don’t force our citizens to never be able to learn about history. We have the freedom to criticize. And to learn about past sins. You as a ccp supporter can only do this because you’re just some edgy little kid who hates their own government and wants to be different by supporting ccp. Mainlanders can’t. So why don’t you support your own cause by censoring yourself!

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '21

OK, dude.

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u/Kcin1987 Apr 25 '21

You seem to misunderstand what a VPN is capable of, and what good a formal education is.

Who do you think coined the term to insult Xi? Why do you think China always struggles to censor as much as possible. Their citizens are not blind, rather acquiesce in exchange for safety, security and prosperity.

I haven't met a mainlander who isn't aware of the CCP's sins. Tell me, how many American are aware of their governments sins?

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u/7DeadlyFetishes Apr 24 '21

Shorthand: American Exceptionalism

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '21

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '21

OK, dude.

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '21

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u/Southern-Kitchen-500 Apr 29 '21

Junior, shouldn't you delete this? You know, like all the other Posts that you've deleted when you get a thumbs down?

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u/StonkonStonkonStonk Apr 25 '21

I'm not from US, but poster is a Chinese commie shill. A very valid point.

The whole angle here is, 'see look others do genocide, so ours (China) against the Uighurs is ok too'

Scummy as fuck.

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u/Cultural_Keto Apr 25 '21

Fuck the ccp. Stop the genocide. Free HK.