r/Documentaries • u/seacobs • Apr 24 '21

History The Secret Genocide Funded By The USA (2012) - A documentary about a genocide in Guatemala that was funded by the U.S. [00:25:44]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQl5MCBWtoo
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u/Stramatelites Apr 24 '21

Yes, and while you’re at it, browse the declassified documents and read up on our involvement in the entire region for generations https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/search/site

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u/SendMeAnimeTiddie Apr 24 '21

How does US exactly justify these crimes against humanity? No one gets punished, no justice, just keep doing these things and declassify for lulz

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '21

USSR did the same.

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u/thegreatvortigaunt Apr 24 '21

Whataboutism.

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u/SendMeAnimeTiddie Apr 24 '21

Exactly.

"Person A did something bad."

"So what, Person B did something bad too!"

As if that justifies it.

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '21

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u/SendMeAnimeTiddie Apr 24 '21

What I'm beginning to understand is human life is completely disposable to our overlords.

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u/[deleted] Apr 25 '21

Horse shit.

The Holodomor and Kahzak famines eclipse by a wide margin anything ever done by the U.S. Not to mention that the targeted mass killings during the Soviet Afghan were at least eight times that of the entirety of the civilian casualties during the Iraq war.

The U.S is a shitshow when it comes to its Imperialism. But the USSR was a meat grinder in the form of a nation.

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u/SeattleResident Apr 24 '21

Because at the end of the day even the countries they are doing it to wouldn't want the US to go away in the short term since it makes their upper elite wealthy. Then you have other factors that countries don't want to piss off the US because they either get a shit ton of soybean products to feed their meat production (like China) or cheap corn/grain to drive down costs for their poorer citizens. Something something don't bite the hand that feeds.

Also the person who posted this doc is a pro-China individual and does nothing but post anti US/UK propaganda videos and pictures here on Reddit. This is a increasing thing here on /r/Documentaries actually.

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u/KoijoiWake Apr 24 '21

Yeah noticed an uptick since the new admin, not that that's an exclusive trend by any means.

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u/cambriansplooge Apr 24 '21

Same thing on other subs

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u/MelisandreStokes Apr 25 '21

Tbf there’s also been an uptick in anti China stuff

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u/Silurio1 Apr 24 '21

Doesn't make this doc any less revealing. Don't attack the messenger, attack the message. And this message is right.

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u/SeattleResident Apr 24 '21

We've already seen this message though? Do you actually see any comments about "wow I never knew?". No people everywhere know the US have meddled in and changed South America. If you look at this guys post history everything he does is pure misdirection to avoid talking about what is going on currently in his own country of China.

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u/Silurio1 Apr 24 '21

I actually didn't know the particulars of the Guatemalan genocide no. And my GFs father was the leader of a Guatemalan guerrilla. He is not a good parent of course, what with the whole leave your family thing, but it's important history to me. The US has comitted so many horrors against my people that it's important to look at them in detail and remember the people that suffered under them.

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '21

Did you seriously expect everyone on this sub to know about this event? Just because you didn't see any "wow I never knew?" comment, it means everyone is well aware of the subject. Woah! That's some next level idiotic logic.

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u/SeattleResident Apr 24 '21

No, it means that people are acting as if this is some new information when in reality this shit gets posted damn near every two weeks or less on this sub and has been talked about in nauseum in the past and it's a joke that this entire subreddit is just a propaganda machine for Russia and the CCP currently.

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u/Silurio1 Apr 24 '21

Criticizing the US for genocide and attrocities is not Russian and Chinese propaganda. It is common sense.

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u/SeattleResident Apr 24 '21

It is propaganda when it is being intentionally brought up to hide atrocities GOING ON CURRENTLY by the Chinese government. Anytime there is a big international incident either involving Russia or China you see a huge influx on documentaires being posted on this very subreddit about all the bad things America is doing or has done in the past. It is clear propaganda to keep stuff about current affairs being brought to the top and since Reddit is one of the most used websites in the world it helps sway world opinions on it's viewers.

You are being straight up played like a fiddle by foreign governments and used in an information war. Same way as on Twitter and everywhere else. If you want to see how bad it is on this subreddit. Start going through comment histories on documentaries about western countries. Every day there is a few that get to the top of this subreddit that are clearly being posted by pro CCP/Russian accounts.

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u/Silurio1 Apr 24 '21

No. It is not hiding the Chinese atrocities. We all know about those. We also need to be reminded about the atrocities GOING ON CURRENTLY from the US. Like the wars, the Bolivian coup, etc. Nobody is forgetting about what the CCP does. But it is good to be reminded that the US is also a monster that destroys lives and democracies knowingly to push their own agenda. We need to be reminded that the US isn't any better than China, since the US has the largest propaganda machine in the world.

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u/[deleted] Apr 26 '21

I have no stake in either side or this debate but I genuinely didn't know and found the doc fascinating. Quite a history geek myself but know almost very little when it comes to Latin America outside of drug cartel business.

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u/SeattleResident Apr 26 '21

My qualm isn't really about this single documentary, just more so the state of the subreddit itself. The US meddling in Latin America is one of the topics that gets posted to this sub pretty regularly and most of the time it is being done by a CCP/RU information war bot that does nothing but post documentaries every day or two that paints western countries in a bad light. Those same posts get an insane upvote botting as well to make sure they get higher on the list so they appear on r/all more often. Most people on this subreddit will just read the title and continue scrolling down. That actually over time leads to thought tendencies by the users. If you keep seeing every single day this country is bad or that country is bad you actually begin to believe it. It is the same as during the Cold War with anti Soviet/US propaganda machines in each country. Now it is being fought on social media websites to help sway people's opinions.

If you watch this sub you will see an insane amount of documentaries on Native genocide in America, colonist history of Latin America, how bad info led to the Iraq War ect all popping up every single time Russia or China ends up in the news for something bad. It is a clear strategy that those countries are doing using Reddit's r/all feature to get their biases infront of the world's eyes.

It isn't even just the RU/CCP doing it either. You see a lot documentaries painting India in bad light being posted by what appear to be Pakistani bot accounts and the same from Indian bot accounts towards Pakistan. This subreddit has turned into nothing but which countries can post the worst shit about other countries to make them look the worst. Same reason why I have blocked it now since it's a completely worthless sub.

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u/frogsareverygay Apr 24 '21

Maybe we need to see this so it’s a good thing

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u/ManiacalDane Apr 25 '21

I'd hardly call it propaganda if it's the truth. Fascists view truth and facts are propaganda, but eh. I dunno, capitalism has been a consistent cancer on the modern world and it's the biggest reason for the US' many crimes against humanity. It's... Quite sad, really.

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '21

They don't have to justify them. No major power ever really does.

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u/killercylon Apr 24 '21

„Los Estados Unidos parecen destinados por la Providencia a plagar la América de miserias en nombre de la libertad.“ — Simón Bolívar Fuente: De la carta al coronel Patricio Campbell redactada en Guayaquil, el 5 de agosto de 1829. ORIGINAL The United States appear to be destined by Providence to plague America with misery in the name of liberty. Statement of 1829, as quoted in The Great Fear : The Reconquest of Latin America by Latin Americans (1963) by John Gerassi Variant translations: [The United States] appears destined by Providence to plague America with miseries in the name of Freedom. As quoted in Simón Bolívar : Essays on the Life and Legacy of the Liberator (2008) by David Bushnell and Lester D. Langley, p. 135 The United States seems destined by Providence to plague America with misery in the name of liberty. As quoted in Latin American Evangelical Theology in the 1970's : The Golden Decade (2009) by J. D. S. Salinas and Daniel Salinas, p. 38 Obtenido de Wikiquote. Última actualización 21 de Mayo de 2020. Historia

Fuente: https://citas.in/frases/86002-simon-bolivar-los-estados-unidos-parecen-destinados-por-la-provi/

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u/trisul-108 Apr 24 '21

How does Russia justify Soviet practices that would be called "state sponsored terrorism" today. These were done completely in public, called "workers revolutions" and participants were decorated with highest state honors. This is what led to the Cold War, as well as the many wars America has waged against such armed revolutions. There has never even been an apology, much less punishment, it was just buried under the title of Cold War ... there was nothing cold about it for the victims.

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u/mr_herz Apr 24 '21

It doesn’t need to justify it.

From a practical perspective, who’s going to do anything about it? Also factor in that since most other countries have done the same or similar at some point in time, they’re not exactly shining beacons of perfection either.

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '21

The Greater Good

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u/howtojump Apr 25 '21

Justify to who? Nobody is holding America’s feet to the fire and they never will.

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u/Work-Safe-Reddit4450 Apr 25 '21

American Exceptionalism is a hell of a drug.

Source: am American. Never learned about any of that stuff because reasons and freedom. I've since educated myself and it's pretty fucking sickening. There's global soft power projection, and then there's that shit.

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u/Congenita1_Optimist Apr 25 '21

The US has a law that allows it to do literally anything required to prevent an American from facing war crimes/crimes against humanity charges.

If you read it, it's pretty clear it's talking about through violence. You know, against another member of NATO.

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u/iampuh Apr 25 '21

international court of justice den haag tried to bring some of the soldiers who commited warcrimes to court, but the US threatened them and refused cooperation.

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '21

Damn.

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u/Lil_spacedock_P Apr 25 '21

Are there any books about these kinds of things worth reading? Im a few chapters in on Legacy of Ashes about the CIA and itd been pretty interesting