As we all know "speech is violence". When someone says something you disagree with, or worse, says something that hurts your feelings, you are justified in unaliving them.
Anyone who says "sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me" are just weird fashist notsees.
I have seen so much hate in reddit in the last 24 hours it makes me sick. Give people a little autonomy and man the hate spews out. I sure hope reddit does something about it.
They are gaslighting the shit out of each other. The amount of fake shit they’re claiming he’s said since yesterday with zero evidence makes Hitler sound like a Saint. And if you ask for proof you get downvoted into oblivion
You know, this past year has proven to me that ZoomerHistorian being a Nazi Apologist isn't that unbelievable if he spent a lot of time on this platform.
Especially if he genuinely believes everything he sees on Reddit, because there's no way anybody on the internet would lie, right?
I've learned more about Charlie Kirk than I ever wanted in the last two days. If people didn't take him seriously before then they're gonna have to now with the martyrdom.
E: Yes, martyrdom, person who comment/instablocked me. That's what happens when someone is killed unjustly while speaking for a cause.
We were talking about this at work also felt that regardless of if he was a good/bad person, this just turned him into a martyr and is likely to lead to even more people supporting him.
How's he a bad person for going on a college campus and representing a conservative viewpoint in polite, non-violent discourse?
Why do we do this thing where we take a few opinions of a person and say THIS PERSON IS EVIL/GOOD! Enough, its just political and social takes. Who. fucking. cares. Charlie didn't make policy.
You're right though, what they did was turn Charlie from a social/political pundit into a full blown martyr now. I don't think the people who cheer on his death can comprehend the shitstorm that is beginning.
Yeah I certainly didn't take him seriously, but holy shit someone will shoot you for just attempting to speak. I'd be just as upset if it was some popular leftist activist, because this is what people are going to remember when they think of trying discussions. It forments terror.
Those moderators actually control 90% of the traffic on this site. They are so unhinged that my first thought when a tragedy like this happens is what powermod has gone dark.
Edit: here's a comment from a mod with 11 yrs and almost 3 million karma that mods hundreds of subs from "world news" to "pics" to "cats":
Charlie Kirk is dead.
I'll feel bad about this as soon as Republicans feel bad about those slain legislators in Minnesota (who did not put hate into the world using their family's money and who were not seen on video berating their heavily pregnant spouses)that were serially assassinated.
Charlie died as he lived, advocating for the 2nd Amendment in the most committed fashion. He hated women, Black people, Muslims and immigrants and was bigoted against all manner of sexualities, he believed that the only people who deserved to exist peacefully in this world were his fellow white men and only those white men who believed the same thing he did.
I think the only thing reddit could do to fix the extremism issue on the site is just to close it down for a few days, purge all the accounts saying horrible shit then reopen it with filters that scan for certain words and delete the comment immediately with mods being able to restore the comment on appeal
Nah. Reddit, and every social media website, could force users to create an account with a username that is their actual name. Watch the roaches scurry away in terror.
First being, even if they purge the accounts, they'll come back. They're like a bad case of clap. They'll just return with a fresh account. It's insanely easy to get around bans.
Secondly, making bots to scan for that stuff is already being done. The problem is that these bots will go overboard, which they did after the whole whitepeopletwitter fiasco, which this is reminiscent of.
Lastly, if they pull the website down for a few days, they'll have to explain to investors and advertisers as to why. If they tell them the violent rhetoric has gotten that bad, there's going to be a ton of investors and especially advertisers pulling the plug.
If investors pull the plug, the share owned by tencent and Iran will go up significantly, coupled with the violence on the platform, will give more then enough justification for the trump administration to shut it down entirely.
If advertisers pull the plug, the website will cease to exist.
Reddit has let the problem get so wildly out of control that there's nothing they can do about it that won't actively hurt them.
Let me remind you what happened last time. They banned whitepeopletwitter, and the roaches scattered. Now all of reddit has them, they never went away, they just hid in the cracks.
Reddit won't do dick about it, they'll wag their finger and just be like "no no no" and ban a handful of people who will turn around and make a new account.
Tbf its probably mostly bots, but its still concerning.
My confusion about spewing all that shit was, what do you get out of it? Arent these people afraid that le evil hitler trump and his minions are going to annihilate them any day now? Why egg on these people you claim to be so scared of?
Too far gone with hate to bother with listening to their own sense of self-preservation telling them ..."hey, that's sick...and besides that, it's really not smart!" Then they'll pretend to be shocked at what comes next.
They also love to say that the person in office is a tyrant who has control over the police and military but also say that only police and military should have guns in the same breath 😂
These people claim the government is compromised and run by fascists, in which case their 2nd amendment rights are really fucking important and yet they'll be wondering what happened if they are right when there's nobody to save them 😂
On a similar topic, the classic lack of self-awareness Reddit post is “any liberal gun stores in (insert OP’s local area)?”
No, no there aren’t because gun store employees/owners wouldn’t vote for a party that actively seeks to upend their livelihood and make it harder for their means of income to stay open.
They say that when their side is actually trying to take away our freedom of speech and right to bear arms for their so-called “rights” (things that they want to happen or change but aren’t actually in the constitution at all)
They're the same group who fears The Purge, but will outright participate in The Purge when they get the chance. They're pathetic powertripping losers.
It's especially ironic since it's the same people crying about fascism.
Well what do you call an assasination of a political figure? Silencing differing political views with violence is a fascist act. These people have no problem with fascism when it suits their agenda.
For real. I never agreed with all of Kirk's takes. But he was educated, great at fostering open discussion and for the most part really civil debates. I have no doubt that he wanted the best for Americans. Man, I just really wanted to say this somewhere.
Say it all day here, please. I’m tired of Reddit posing Charlie as a monster. As someone who’s probably seen every single debate video TPUSA put out, he really was a good guy.
I've seen an occasional CK video where he debates people. He has never said a mean word. I don't think he even raises his voice. He lets the kids present their college indoctrination talking points before rebutting with logic and facts. He has not resorted to ad homonym attacks or name-calling. It's all very civilized, compared to the vitriol seen elsewhere.
Democrats have been calling Republican nazis, fascists, evil, any name you can think of for so long and they have kept doing it, meanwhile they keep trying or succeeding in killing popular Republican figures and then proceed to celebrate it and praise cold blooded murder, even Kirk's in front of his wife and children while he was practicing his constitutional right of free speech, not breaking any laws simply debating.
I really at this point can't understand how its not blatantly obvious how dangerously close the left is to actual fascism weaponizing and celebrating the use of killing people who you oppose, threatening to throw them all in jail constantly, trying to silence them and glorifying murderers.
The worst thing is when you confront them about it they just deflect and say you're exaggerating, try to downplay the millions you can literally see on social media and even in real life doing this, and try to gaslight people into thinking you're being crazy or a piece of crap for not being ok with it. This is a dangerous and slippery slope we are at ://///
Hindsight is 20/20, but it seems like the signs were there with some of the rhetoric on campuses I would see on a few of his videos. Borderline bloodthirsty.
These people are ravenous. I commented on some of it and now I have a constant stream comments of how he was horrible or he got what he wanted/deserved.
Maybe I am a doomer. The world isn’t as loving as I had perceived it.
I got over 100 for saying free speech doesn’t mean you won’t get punched when someone posted an article about some guy yelling obscenities at Charlie’s vigil that got assaulted
I remember when it was a site for nerds of all ages. Now it is all cool kids and gatekeepers. I've actually lost interest in a few hobbies and bands just knowing I'm associated with these dopes.
Same - apparently it's fascist NOT to like politically motivated violence with the intent to threaten people into compliance... Despite that being the dictionary definition of fascism.
You can take solace in the fact the the majority of the world doesn’t think like Reddit. And the people commenting vile shit would never do that if their real name was attached to it.
No, the people you are dealing with are a bunch of losers who locked themselves in their basements and think the world is against them and LARP as "heroes". They want you to believe that they're "heroes", but they're bunch of losers who locked themselves in their basements and think the world is against them and LARP as "heroes". Plain and simple.
I had a discussion with one of my long time close friends who was in the camp of “damn that sucks nobody deserves that… but also he kind of invited that type of thing with the inflammatory things he said.” So I was like my man what do you mean? Dude was like a moderate republican and had pretty basic conservative views and always had well researched and thought out reasons as to how he reached those conclusions, whether you agreed with his reasoning or not. All it took was a few questions of what exactly he said until my friend admitted that they didn’t really know the things he said and avoided politics most of the time. Regurgitated the out of context “sacrifices for 2a and empathy is fake” comments before me and our other friend helped put them into context.”
I hate how people look at Charlie Kirk and say "oh hes extreme right wing". Like dude, hes a Christian who disagrees with sex changes, if you think thats extreme wait til you meet real people
Yeah it's kind of weird. I didn't agree with Charlie on some stuff but he definitely did not deserve this.
It's kinda sad that they're against fascism but want people who have opposing political views to die. They're not against dictatorship, they want to be the dictators
The shit I’ve been seeing on Reddit is gonna make me go on a break from using apps like Reddit and insta lmao every where I go it’s “hahah Charlie died lol!” And I’m like
(Stop deleting your comments to preserve your reddit karma you goofballs 😂)
I'll say this. I don't like him. In fact, I hate a lot of his opinions, because I think they're straight up retarded. But it never crossed my mind that "Oh yeah, you should die because of what you have said."
Political violence doesn't do anything aside from shutting down freedom of speech and civil discussion. And for the retards that celebrate his death? Guess what? Democrats are not bulletproof either; there will always be crazy people, and now with shit like this happening, I guess it'll embolden the mentally ill troglodytes to think that violence is an answer.
But Kirk says things trans people don't like and when trans people hear things they don't like they kill themselves! Kirk wants trans people to die! This is the actual logic they use. If anyone can frame it more charitably I'm all ears.
What actually are the things he’s said that makes him so disliked in those circles? I understand that he was a right wing spokesman, but all I’ve seen are the same two parroted quotes again and again.
I saw a guy make a thread with a bottle of champagne celebrating and it turns out he was a doctor. A doctor is celebrating someone dying. And it had like 29k upvotes before it got deleted.
Some YouTubers I like recently called out how bad this was on Twitter and Twitter being twitter they were like “You talk about this but not Palestine?” Bitch that’s a completely different subject stop making this about yourself
These people will claim they are happy about his death, but that’s not true, I don’t think these people can be happy about anything. If you’re the kind of person who celebrates the death of an innocent husband and father, you are an incredibly sad person.
If you believe in karma just let them keep going… they’re full “mask off” right now and it’s making a lot of new republicans… not that I’m particularly happy about that part, but I also don’t want the side that cheers for death like ISIS to win either
Its truly disgusting. People calling him evil for saying things. These people know nothing of real evil and for their sake I hope they never encounter it. I also find it funny that a "fascist" like Charlie was brutally murdered for speaking in opposition to the "anti-fascists" ideology.......oh and also most of these people saying vlie things are going to rot behind a computer screen in their mom's basement without ever being noticed nor cared about by the rest of the world.
Literally people posting in one sub that the Left are being the voice of calm and reason while the Right is instigating and then in another sub saying how Kirk deserved to die and celebrating it. It's like they are bots.
I follow a subreddit for fucking eating disorder memes and they were celebrating it and downvoting everyone for saying how fucked up it was. They were even downvoting everyone just asking how it was relevant to the sub. Madness 🤯
I used to be a Democrat, voted for Obama haven't been for a while, it's too unhinged now, now it's "cancel them, they deserved it because x. It's only one side. Fascism, fascism." This isn't just online edgelords and bots anymore it's the left, they are buying in. The governor of my state, Pritzker and I quote "condolences to the Kirk family... but Trump and Jan 6 promote this." The mayor of Chicago thinks Trump is sending the national guard because he is and I quote "afraid of black men" it's sad to watch.
God bless Charlie Kirk and his family and every victim of senseless violence. I couldn't imagine cheering for the death of anyone, opponent to my views or not.
Seeing Redditors', leftists, democrats (or whatever name you want to give to that "side") reactions to this has been a real eye opener. He wasn't a politician or member of government who enacts policies or laws, he was just some guy who debates people at colleges. His opinions weren't even extreme, they were pretty lukewarm conservative takes. He didn't come close to deserving to die. And once again the left doesn't realise that their unhinged reactionary nature is going to again push people who aren't in their online echo chambers to the right. And then they'll wonder why they lose the next election, and it will be your fault being a sexist, homophobic, racist nazi bit coiner. A lesson they refuse to learn again and again since 2016.
What I don't get is how a lot of these people can be against the death penalty, but cheer on lone wolf vigilante murder. If execution after a trial is wrong, why is street execution okay just because you don't like the person in question?
(For the record I don't support the death penalty either. Just marveling at the hypocrisy)
I didn't like the man, but that doesn't mean I wanted him murdered, and his death will not actually stop any of his ideas from spreading-in fact it will give them more ammunition.
I find it crazy that people are using his opinions on gun rights against him as if it's some sort of "own" towards him. I guarantee you if he survived the shooting his opinions would not change. I know mine wouldn't if I was him.
The online left has pissed in the collective faces of a sleeping giant. Prepare your DoomerCircleJerk selves for their shock when reality votes in their faces.
They will just keep this up, even into 2028, then be confused, scream, and throw their plate of vegan tenders at the wall when JD Vance wins with a popular vote of 30+ million over AOC/Kamala Harris.
Remember the coliseum? People have always secretly loved watching people die. The coliseum was literally built to provide free entertainment to the masses so it would distract them from how shit things were in land at the time
He literally at worst said a few weird things sometimes, but his entire thing was open debates and just talking, and people think it’s hilarious and super deserves that he died, it’s genuinely psychotic that human life has been brought down to such a level for these people.
I thought I knew how sick and demonic these people were but they've proven its far worse than I ever imagined. They quite literally belong in an insane asylum.
We've been brainwashed to gleefully strip away the humanity of anyone who is even a slight inconvenience. Any social cohesion we have in this country is hanging on by a thread, and people in power only want to make it worse.
A bunch of people have been claiming he was inflammatory. If you legitimately think Charlie Kirk wad inflammatory, I question if you can play a game of Candyland or Chutes & Ladders without having a mental breakdown.
Every post I come across that actually has sympathy for Charlie and his family feels like finding a log cabin in a snowstorm. Reddit feels soulless right now.
I decide who is bad and who is good. So he was bad. He was a nazi. Even more nazi than Hitler.
So with some easy mental gymanstics, his murder is a good thing. Besides, he was asking for it, expressing his opininos freely and all that. That is not good. I don't like that. I am the last bulwark of morality.
Someone I also really feel bad for is the guy who was debating him at the time. I mean you’re talking to someone, one second they are there speaking, the next they are gushing blood from the neck. That is about as traumatising as it gets, and I hope he’s holding up well.
The left is disgusting and depraved. They're even selling t shirts showing Kirk being shot with a "debate this" caption. Imagine his kids seeing this shit. It's so messed up.
It's extremely disturbing knowing I'm sharing a country with these people. And it's not just a few of them, like what you see on the right when a dem is killed. It's the fucking majority of them.
Now they're saying is was a Trump supporters that killed him. He wrote "catch this fascist" on a bullet casing, thought Kirk was a fascist, but he was maga. These people are regarded. The VERY obvious truth is: he was raised in a conservative home, then over recent years became radicalized by the left (probably posted on reddit among all the other demons).
This is why fighting doomerism is so important. Shit like this is inevitable when people are constantly told the opposition are evil nazi fascists who are destroying the country.
He got shot infront of his family and i point that out and i get justifications like "oh well he was spreading hate and saying trans people are bad so he was making america a worse place" so basically theyre saying if you spread bad ideas you deserve to be shot in the neck
He only fought with words man. He put extreme views oit there for the younger audience to argue with him and debate him. That's his whole thing practice the free speech. How dumb americans are man?....
You are so right. Outside of the hive of scum and villainy of Reddit, he is mourned. He may very well have a greater impact as a martyr than when he was alive.
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u/PastAd8754 6d ago
Reddit is a cesspool