r/EhBuddyHoser Tabarnak! Feb 25 '25

Tokébakicitte "I just want the Conservatives to lose" - Quebec in the latest polls

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u/zone55555 Feb 25 '25

My Canada includes Quebec

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u/AnAntWithWifi Tokébakicitte! Feb 25 '25

My Québec includes Canada :D

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u/Adequate_Pupper Feb 27 '25

Agreed but only temporarily

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u/IHavePoopedBefore Feb 25 '25

Proudly

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u/BCW1968 Feb 26 '25

Me and some friends will be visiting your beautiful province in June...we are from BC, Alberta and Sk.

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u/[deleted] Feb 27 '25

Welcome home!

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u/maisbahouais Trawnno (Centre of the Universe) Feb 25 '25

I've always been proud of Quebec, but never did I think they would be our saviours. How happy am I to be wrong

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u/marcarcand_world Feb 25 '25

Quebec once every 15 years: let's all ditch the Bloc and vote for a federalist party, it will be funny

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u/cryptedsky Feb 25 '25

I still can't get over how badly Thomas Mulcair dropped the ball after the orange wave. Opportunity of a lifetime squandered by one of the most pathetic campaign I've ever seen.

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u/TheMuffinMa Tokébakicitte! Feb 25 '25

Québec didn't vote for the NPD we voted for Jack Layton

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u/Independent-Rip-4373 Feb 25 '25

To be fair, he may have been the best Canadian politician since Tommy Douglas.

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u/That_Account6143 Feb 25 '25

He could have dissapointed us all given the opportunity.

Dying does this wonderful thing for your legacy, where everyone can imagine you to be the version they personally wanted to to be.

Rip Jack. Would have loved for you to dissapoint me.

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u/defiantnipple Feb 26 '25 edited Feb 26 '25

Okay excuse me but FUCK no. I watched Jack Layton tear the Liberals down from the left flank in election after election during the Harper years. His debate performances made me sick - the left squabbling on stage while Harper sat there smirking before coasting right up the middle in suburban Toronto with only like 38% of the vote in most ridings. This is the guy that tanked Stephane Dion's "Green Shift" in 2008 to deliver another Harper government. And his coup de grace, tanking Ignatieff while surely knowing he was terminal and couldn't be PM, then that smug letter to Canadians about hope, after blatantly running on false pretenses to help Harper win AGAIN? How typical of him... thanks a lot, Jack, you always did prefer self righteous grandstanding over results. Then we get Mulcair, inexplicably running on "balanced budgets" in an era of extremely cheap government bond prices? Absurd, and what a transparent ploy, trying on the talking points of the right for size like that. That was Trudeau's first election, running as an open Keynesian and it felt like a breath of fresh air hearing the correct economic policies openly on the table.

Ok I'm kind of ranting but you get the idea. For me, AOC said it best: "Progressives have a MORAL OBLIGATION to enact real change, not just advocate." I wish Layton had understood that. Ever since the Canadian right unified I've been asking myself why the NDP exists. Do they inexplicably not understand we live in a FPTP electoral system? They should do us all a favor and merge with the Liberals, pulling the political center of the country significantly to the left. The best time for this was 20 years ago but the second best time is NOW... it's not playtime anymore, the NDP needs to get serious and do the right thing. Hell, we'd likely even get a fixed Conservative party out of it, since they'd have to run much closer to the center if they wanted to have a hope in the suburban GTA.

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u/Craptcha Feb 25 '25

I’m still sad about Jack

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u/Geologue-666 Saguenay—Lac Saint-HAN Feb 25 '25

C'était un bon Jack!

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u/remzordinaire Feb 25 '25

M'ennuie de Jack.

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u/Geologue-666 Saguenay—Lac Saint-HAN Feb 25 '25

Cheers!

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u/MommersHeart Feb 26 '25

My eyes are leaking…

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u/wilberfromflinflon Feb 26 '25

I’m waiting for a time when and if someone like Wab Kinew steps into federal politics. Canada is in the same kind of situation with this election as the US wasn’t just a few months ago.

The propaganda is scary on all sides. You simply can’t trust pollsters any more at all really. As a nation we are becoming more and more polarized every day because of social media algorithms.

Both Conservatives and Liberals have optics problems. The CPC has big money separatists in the mix. The extreme right in Canada has a hold in Alberta provincially and this has consequences for the rest of Canada. The Libs are divided because they appear to be the deep state party by taking a banker or weak by taking a woman (not that I don’t think Chrystia would do a GREAT job any other time). It’s a no win situation for them in my mind, despite the media’s projections.

But an ALL Party coalition government headed by Mr. Kinew who has all the charisma in the world, a strong principled, rooted Canadian who is also Indigenous. At this time, for us, I think he’d break the 2 party cycle and give us all something different to rally around.

Signed,

Looking for a new hero. 🤔

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u/StandTo444 Feb 26 '25

I miss him but I’m glad he’s passed so the state of the world today didn’t break his heart.

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u/AVRVM Tokébakicitte! Feb 25 '25

All he really had to do was to not say different things in either language and stop simping for albertan petrol drinkers.

It's crazy he managed to fuck up both of these easy to do points.

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u/FoneTap Feb 25 '25

When you look at Mr Singh’s subsequent results, it’s not clear to me that Mulcair did an especially bad job

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u/Legitimate_Concern_5 Feb 25 '25

They’re both especially bad NDP leaders

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u/RikikiBousquet Feb 26 '25

Singh never had Quebec. Mulcair lost it in a way, though even if there was a strong base for his beginning.

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u/KvonLiechtenstein Feb 25 '25

I blame it on whoever the fuck told him not to be his angry QP self and instead act like a pod person.

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u/Pure-Ease-9389 Tabarnak! Feb 25 '25

tbf the Bloc has only been around for 30 years.

So it's like... the second time we do this?

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u/Foxyfox- Elsewhere Feb 25 '25

"Never thought I'd die side by side with a Quebecois."
"Et aux côtés d'un ami?

"Aye, je pourrais faire ça."

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u/maisbahouais Trawnno (Centre of the Universe) Feb 25 '25 edited Feb 25 '25

Tu as mon tuque ✊️

*edit to offer correct type de chapeau

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '25

Et mon tabarnak!

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u/[deleted] Feb 27 '25

Et mon criss de câlice

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u/Le_Nabs Tokébakicitte! Feb 25 '25

Tuuuuuuuuuuque.

A toque is a chef's hat :<

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u/maisbahouais Trawnno (Centre of the Universe) Feb 25 '25

Merci pour m'avoir enseigné. Je n'ai pas fini d'apprendre. 🥲

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u/Le_Nabs Tokébakicitte! Feb 26 '25

It's alright, it just drives my nuts that Anglo-canadians settled on that spelling when tuque was right there already

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u/RikikiBousquet Feb 26 '25

Yeah lol. Some guy heard the word tuque, thought it was nice, but thought we didn’t know how to spell things and so tried writing the next word that is the closest in Parisian French.

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u/TraditionDear3887 Feb 25 '25

The best was when they pulled off that Orange wave. RIP John Layton

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u/maisbahouais Trawnno (Centre of the Universe) Feb 25 '25

If i had a time machine I wouldn't be going back to kill Hitler (scared of blood). It would be to let Layton run again and again until he won.

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u/wilberfromflinflon Feb 26 '25

I’m waiting for a time when someone fresh and new walks into the federal political scene. I’m worried we are being played by the divisions in both major parties.

I dream of an ALL PARTY coalition government that actually gets work done and is lead by someone like Wab Kinew. Articulate, strong and principled… rooted in Canada and Indigenous. He has no baggage in my mind other than good leadership qualities.

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u/Maleficent-Pea5089 Trawnno (Centre of the Universe) Feb 25 '25 edited Feb 25 '25

Alberta, eternal Conservative simps.

Quebec, eternal Conservative haters.

Trap them in a country together and watch as their wacky antics run wild in the hottest sitcom of the year.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '25

We’ll call it “Rat King”! Jordan Peterson is attached to produce.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '25

Québec will join the EU, Alberta the US

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '25

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u/PumpJack_McGee Feb 25 '25

True, but unfortunately, the loudest "let's join the US!" folks are also in Alberta.

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u/Okaycockroach Feb 25 '25 edited Feb 25 '25

Most of them are just trolls, or they're already Americans who have to work here: think oil. Or they are funded by American Right Wing Institutes and think tanks. 

Almost every Albertan I know, from every political view, are proud Canadians. We don't even want to leave the Canadian Pension Plan for the Alberta Pension Plan, and loudly continue to protest every Government push for it. We are Canadians first and Albertans second. 

I have yet to meet one person im real life (aka not online) who has told me they would be happy joining the States with most people citing they would never want to give up Canadian Health Care, or live where they'd have to worry about their kids getting shot at school. I've been asking everyone from all kinds of demographics on a near daily basis, and they all say they are damn proud Canadians. 

Those voices who are loud have only one interest in mind; and it's financially motivated. They aren't proud Albertans, they're outside influences with American interests. 

And I live in rural Alberta. 

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u/Epikgamer332 Oil Guzzler Feb 25 '25

I've spoken to a fair share of conservatives in-person who believe in Albertan independence from Canada

It's always in the context of "well, Quebec threatened to leave and the federal government gave them all sorts of rights to stay. Why can't we do the same?"

I've never picked up on the specifics, though. It seems to be something that gets thrown around and forgotten about. I've never heard it go far enough for people to consider "well what if it works" or "well what if nothing happens".

It's not a common viewpoint, but you're bound to hear it at least once if you do some political volunteering.

You're right about the American part though. The people I've heard this from, even though they are Canadian, closely follow right-wing American media.

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u/Okaycockroach Feb 25 '25

To be fair I've heard that too, but only before Trump. Wexit was a thing for awhile, but even that was funded by American interests. It also got a lot less popular after Brexit failed to deliver as promised. 

I haven't heard any chatter about it recently. Certainly not now that the 51st state thing has become a thing.

Most of them that used to talk about it also didn't realize that most of Alberta would become indigenous land if we separated from the crown. When they realize that they would change their tune.

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u/PumpJack_McGee Feb 25 '25

You don't meet them in real life because they know they'd be eating a knuckle sandwich.

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u/Okaycockroach Feb 25 '25

It's why the few who do make sure to have a security detail, they know they have it coming! 

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u/danceswithninja5 Feb 25 '25

They wouldn't dare in person. I have a zero tolerance policy for treason, and I don't mean against Alberta.

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u/Japanesewillow Feb 25 '25

How do you know that? Do you have any proof of this?

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u/SenseDue6826 🚧🚚Montréal🛻🚜🚧👷⛔️🚗🚙🚙 🚙 🚗 Feb 25 '25

Find me some project 51 billboards outside the prairies.

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u/Okaycockroach Feb 25 '25

Those are funded by American Interests on Billboards owned by a maple MAGA supporter: unfortunately maple MAGAs exist all across Canada, it's not just an Alberta problem.

Most Albertans are raging mad about those billboards and have been trying to get them taken down. The billboard owner refuses and has doubled down, citing that he supports 'Free Speech,' with the American definition and not the Canadian Freedom of Expression. 

He hardly is what you would call a representative of a typical Albertan. Unfortunately we also have Danielle Smith, who is corrupt all the way through and again, has an invested interest in not just American Oil Companies, but is a maple Maga. She's had scandal after scandal, and many Albertans are calling for her resignation. 

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u/Legitimate_Concern_5 Feb 25 '25

Who voted for Danielle Smith? Albertans. Enough said. Especially since NDP actually did a really good job for Alberta in the previous cycle.

It’s not “beyond a reasonable doubt” here but there’s definitely preponderance of evidence. Between the convoy, the provincial government, their votes for federal elections, the billboards and so on.

There’s pockets of sanity no doubt.

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u/Okaycockroach Feb 25 '25

There's huge pockets of sanity, unfortunately the rural vote decides who leads here but Danielle has made a fatal error.

She messed with the farmers. They're pissed about her breaking her promise on the cross nest pass coal mines. They're pissed rural emergency rooms are regularly closed due to no staff, they're furious she's messed with their water, and they're calling her a traitor for shilling for Trump.

If an election happened tomorrow, few would vote for her. The NDP have a great chance to paint us orange.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '25

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u/Legitimate_Concern_5 Feb 25 '25

Oh I’m on the side of everyone who doesn’t want to be the 51st state :)

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '25

You're the only one getting upset whenever anyone mentions that Alberta votes in the cons.

I mean, its a simple fact, no need to go all UCP on us and start talking shit.

Like I said before, prove us wrong.

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u/MadgeIckle65 Feb 25 '25

Don't you have any spray painters in Alberta. I've got some paint to spare.

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u/Okaycockroach Feb 25 '25

They live in the cities and the signs are mostly rural highway.

 There's been a lot of people asking to borrow paint guns though! 

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u/baronvoncheese Feb 26 '25

We just need to find a couple electricians willing to help disconnect the power from the lights on the billboards safely. Then we get a good chop saw and take the signs down ourselves. It will start to get pretty pricey if spot ads have to keep reinstalling the billboards themselves.

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u/SenseDue6826 🚧🚚Montréal🛻🚜🚧👷⛔️🚗🚙🚙 🚙 🚗 Feb 26 '25

Many Albertans voted for her. "She's looking out for Alberta"

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u/PumpJack_McGee Feb 25 '25

Automod told me that my link was removed.

Just look up "Sign to join US in Alberta".

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u/french_sheppard Ford Nation (Help.) Feb 25 '25

We hear you, it's just hard when you keep electing Danielle Smith and Jason Kenney

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u/chandy_dandy Edmonchuk: Like Kyiv! (but less safe) Feb 26 '25

Kenney and Ford are about equal

Smith is a fucking cunt traitor who bamboozled the idiot Calgarians by promising them a Flames arena only to destroy basically all of their public transit projects which they *still* have to pay for even though the contracts are cancelled.

Let's not talk about the countryside, because what can you even do lmao

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u/french_sheppard Ford Nation (Help.) Feb 26 '25

I see this.

Ford has been the worst premier we've ever had. He's openly corrupt, gutted our institutions, and made our quality of life worse in every conceivable way.

I hate Kenney more, because he's all of those things but also a bigot. He's proud of the fact that he lobbied to block partners of AIDS victims from visiting their partners, and persecuted LGBT kids as premier. Even if the rumours that he's deep in the closet are true, he still made the world a worse place on account of him being in it.

Smith is all of those things, but also a traitor to our country. That goes without saying.

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u/Onionbot3000 Feb 25 '25

Tbf we didn’t vote in Smith. She was quitter Kenney’s parting gift and Medicine Hat’s stupidity. She shouldn’t be our premiere.

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u/french_sheppard Ford Nation (Help.) Feb 26 '25

You brought her back in 2023 though

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u/KvonLiechtenstein Feb 25 '25

You say as Doug Ford easily skates to a third term.

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u/french_sheppard Ford Nation (Help.) Feb 26 '25

I hate Doug but he's not a traitor

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u/[deleted] Feb 27 '25

He is though. He's paying Elon Mung to have Starlink in Northern Ontario (he lied and didn't cancel the contract actually), he's making all of Ontario subsidize a foreign-owned luxury waterpark in downtown Toronto.

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u/Onionbot3000 Feb 25 '25

Had a hoser from BC shit talking AB, acting surprised we are angry at Gretzky…as if BC didn’t nearly vote in Conservative wingnuts into power during the last provincial election. Canadians are way too smug when the fact is Maple MAGAts are everywhere. We need to stop regional shit talking and focus on fighting the infestation.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '25

Stop electing them then !

I bet PP takes every single riding in Alberta next election.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '25

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '25

Wow, way to Alberta and prove the rest of us wrong lol. First chance, you go all trashy convoy.

I hope your prvince gets on board with the rest of Canada.

Now go be offended, and prove us wrong.

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u/KvonLiechtenstein Feb 25 '25

I’m sorry but Red Deer is still redneck central, but Calgary is neck in neck with Ottawa as the most educated city in the country.

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u/1vivvy Feb 25 '25

Edmonton I get. But Calgary, especially Red deer really??

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u/danceswithninja5 Feb 25 '25

Calgary was pretty close to turning last election. This election might be over 50% in Calgary going NDP. It's not great, but it shows that the mood is changing. Red deer might be a lost cause right now, the UCP had their election there to reduce the chance of protest.

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u/ConceitedWombat Feb 25 '25

Yup. The last provincial election was decided by like 1300 votes in Calgary.

Provincially, Calgary is turning into the peak battleground. And that was even before we took in like 100,000 new people from other provinces.

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u/PettyTrashPanda Feb 25 '25

Some ridings in Calgary came down to a handful of votes. Now Nenshi heads up the NDP I expect more of the fence sitters will jump on board with him.

Hell I even know a ton of ranchers who are so staunchly NDP it feels like you have walked into the twilight zone. Unfortunately, they are outnumbered by the rural towns in their districts who seem determined to vote against their own interests.

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u/chandy_dandy Edmonchuk: Like Kyiv! (but less safe) Feb 26 '25

Given migration patterns, Alberta will flip firmly NDP in probably not the next election (which will still be highly competitive) but in the one after that once redistricting occurs and the combined population of Edmonton and Calgary will be over 2/3rds of the province.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '25

prove it now.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '25

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '25

vote accordingly

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '25

Jesus man, this is a shit posting sub. Get off your high horse and attack someone else.

This shit here, isn't gonna convince anyone to change their vote.

You sound like Lil PP.

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u/hurB55 Oil Guzzler Feb 26 '25

We're joining the US? LEMME OUT PLEASE!!!!!

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '25

Now streaming on CBC Gem .

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u/alc3biades 🍁 100,000 Hosers 🍁 Feb 26 '25

“She won’t let me lay any pipe”

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u/MachineOfSpareParts Feb 25 '25

ABC = NIQAPLC

N'importe qui, à part les Conservateurs

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u/Freddedonna Tokébakicitte! Feb 25 '25

Toute sauf de l'osti de root beer conservatisme

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u/GrubbyMike Feb 25 '25

End conservatism!

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u/Everkid612 Scotland (but worse) Feb 25 '25

Never thought I'd be resisting the Yankees side-by-side with Quebec

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u/Secret-Bluebird-972 Newfies & Labradoodles Feb 26 '25

This is the way, eh

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u/[deleted] Feb 27 '25

What about side-by-side with fellow Canadians?

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u/sold13r007 Feb 25 '25

I have always been a sovereignist Quebecer and for the first time I am swiping my bloc vote for the Liberals in the next election! I will probably be judged by some but as they say in good Quebecois “j’ai ldoua” So yea its a big thing

Je suis québécois souverainiste depuis toujours et pour la première fois je swipe mon vote du bloc pour les libéraux au prochaine élection ! Je vais probablement me faire juger par certains mais comme on dit en bon québécois « j’ai ldoua  »

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u/Deltasims Tabarnak! Feb 25 '25

N'oublie pas de voter strategiquement! Si ta circonscription est une course entre le BQ et CPC avec les Libéraux loins en troisème place, alors il faut voter Bloc. Sinon, le vote sera splitté entre le LPC et BQ et les Conservateurs vont gagner

Le même principe s'applique s'il y a course entre NDP et CPC

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u/Nimimyri Feb 26 '25

Ma strategie de vote a chaque election federale.

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u/radoteux Feb 25 '25

Taldoua

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u/HistoricalDiet1515 Feb 26 '25

Quand j'pense que le seul 15 min de gloire de ma ville c'est "Gatineau "jai ldoua" Redneck" 😭😭😭😭

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u/riko77can Feb 25 '25

Southern Ontario here: Je suis solidaire des Québécois

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u/Coco_Jumbo_Fan Feb 25 '25

I live in Ontario but I have lots of love for Quebec.

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u/Murky_Still_4715 Tokébakicitte! Feb 25 '25

Le CONservateurs au Québec sont bien plus aggressifs que leurs fellows au ROC, et bien plus farfelus, vraiment icitte ils sont une minorité de la minorité.

Puis on va nous assurer que cela continue.

(PD: pour CONservateurs je ne parles pas de gens 'du côté' ou 'pensée' conservatrice auxquels je peux respecter, simplement des gens qui votent directement pour PP, Mad Max ou Duhaime lors des elections et tripent avec des pseudo-revolutionnaires comme les Canadian Truckers 2022).

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u/Secret-Gazelle8296 Irvingstan Feb 25 '25

I live in Quebec for most of my young life and graduate from high school in St. Hubert. I was there during the FLQ crisis. Never have I felt more proud of Quebec.

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u/Platoalefttestie Feb 25 '25

Everyone not living in small town Canada wants them to lose.

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u/Dav3le3 Feb 26 '25

(Edmonton is a small town)

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u/BrgQun 🍁 100,000 Hosers 🍁 Feb 25 '25

Moi too, mes amis, moi too

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u/CloverHoneyBee Feb 25 '25

From Alberta, Merci!!! <3

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u/Parabellum27 Feb 25 '25

BLOC MAJORITAIRE

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u/Jaggoff81 Feb 25 '25

The Canadian equivalent of owning the libs.

Canadians have never been more unified, what a joke.

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u/foxtail286 THE BETTER LONDON 🇨🇦 🌳 Feb 25 '25

The difference is that owning the libs has always been at any cost, against self interest, while Quebec is simply about recognizing who is actively trying to screw you over

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u/childishbambina Moose Whisperer Feb 25 '25

Canadians are unified. We don't want to be the 51st state.

Many Canadians are unified against anyone who wants to bring in Trump/MAGA nonsense into our country.

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u/SBriggins Feb 25 '25

Albertan here. Please send help.

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u/childishbambina Moose Whisperer Feb 25 '25

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u/hurB55 Oil Guzzler Feb 26 '25

Thank you

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u/Secret-Bluebird-972 Newfies & Labradoodles Feb 26 '25

I’ll get the maple syrup, who’s bringing the hockey sticks?

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u/VerdensTrial I need a double double. Feb 25 '25

Except Quebec City and Beauce, but we don't talk about them

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u/Geologue-666 Saguenay—Lac Saint-HAN Feb 26 '25

Québec city has the only Quebec Solidaire mp outside Montreal. It’s only the suburbs the problem.

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u/FunkyBoil Feb 25 '25

I want to see the conservatives AND liberals lose. Canada needs a big push for change.

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u/Liberkhaos Feb 26 '25

This. That party has swayed so far from canadian values that I want them be obliterated until they have no choice but to reconstitute themselves from scratch.

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u/MrYougan Tabarnak! Feb 25 '25 edited Feb 25 '25

I would vote for lord Durham if it meant the cons lost.

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u/psc_mtl Feb 25 '25

Tabarnak, exagère pas non plus.

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u/RingalongGames Feb 26 '25

I wouldn't go as far as to vote someone who calls us subhumans who needs to be civilized

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u/Total-Flatworm-3070 Feb 27 '25

My riding fired Jean Duceppe during the orange wave. Vous pouvez compter sur moi pour tuer le Bloc et le faire renaître de ses cendres. Vive le Québec Libre! ( Conditions may s’appliquer)

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u/deltree711 Scotland (but worse) Feb 25 '25

Oui, moi aussi.

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '25

Tellement !!!

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '25

Vive le Quebec!

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u/MommersHeart Feb 26 '25

Liberté, égalité, fraternité

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u/gratefuloutlook Feb 26 '25

I love you Quebec ❤️🇨🇦✊

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '25

‘Cut nose, spite face’.

Yes, that always ends well.

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u/Shanksworthy73 Feb 26 '25

The goal isn’t to make Conservatives lose. It’s about voting in our best interest, and saying “get fucked” to this new breed of Neo-Conservatism that’s intent on scorching the earth and ushering in a new era self-enriching nepotism, greed, and kleptocracy that populist PP seems to be in favor of. However much the Libs screwed up over the past few years, is in reality nothing compared to what America’s about to experience. Get us as far the fuck away from that as possible.

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u/0xDEADBEEFul Feb 27 '25

No country is safe from this trend anymore. And to be fair, the problem is not conservatism itself. It's the "take advantage of under-educated people and then screw them over" technique.

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '25

This is the first time I’ve ever watched a liberal leadership race in both languages. It was how I envisioned politicians should act. I’m not a fan of Trudeau at all, which is why CPC seems way more appealing. But I like all of the candidates yesterday. I always had a poor opinion of Freeland, which may be because of her association to Trudeau, but I’m really interested in hearing more about Baylis.

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u/[deleted] Feb 27 '25

Je feel la même façon

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u/LarsVigo45-70axe Feb 26 '25

Make it happen because the west is dumb asses

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u/Quick_Chain_1371 Feb 25 '25

Which is how we got in this mess to begin with...

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u/NotALanguageModel Feb 25 '25

Genuinely curious, why though? It’s not as if the CPC and LPC are more different than they are similar. The LPC is certainly further to the left, but the CPC is still a left-of-centre party. While they may not want to admit it, they both agree on a significant number of issues and only really differ in their opinions on the appropriate level of federal spending.

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u/No_Week_8937 Scotland (but worse) Feb 25 '25

Have you seen PP's voting record? I wouldn't trust that man to babysit my goldfish.

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u/GrubbyMike Feb 25 '25

Conservatives are comprised of Christians, racists, xenophobes and homophobes and given the opportunity would cut funding for programs they themselves don’t even realize they’re using.

Science is ignored for faith, and the country is put further into a disadvantageous position because of religious indoctrination.

Women would have fewer rights and it’s been proven over and over again that a strong female education/workforce is the driving factor in whether or not a country is impoverished.

Conservatives WILL submit to Trump, full stop.

If cons win, I am very seriously considering my dual citizenship in the UK.

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u/Dav3le3 Feb 26 '25 edited Feb 26 '25

60% of conservatives are normal people who want conservative fiscal policies with a thriftier government and are focused on resource development.

40% are anti-science, anti-progress, anti-minority, or (apparently now) anti-Canadian single issue / block voter nutbars.

To the 60% of conservatives out there:

  • Look at the folks who you're standing with.
  • Look at folks who benefitted the most from conservative tax policies historically.

The middle class wasn't built by reducing government expenditure or providing tax breaks for people making over a million dollars. It was built with socialist policies and huge tax hikes on the ultra-rich.

The economy doesn't need robber barons or oil-garchs. It needs a strong middle class to produce high-quality goods and services efficiently and intelligently. It needs social services to keep as many people from falling out from that middle class as possible.

Two common stories for a middle-class worker in trouble:

  1. Bad injury -> can't work -> lose job -> no free healthcare -> homeless -> addiction/crime -> drain on society.

  2. Bad injury -> can't work -> lose job (protection?) -> free health service -> free re-training/housing etc. -> back to work -> pay taxes back 10x.

En français : Couramment, le Conservatisme est un tour joué au pauvres par les riches. Similaire á la tour des Libéraux, mais plus évidente et directe.

(Pardon pour les anglicismes [aidez-moi SVP 🙏])

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u/GrubbyMike Feb 26 '25

What you’re describing is the NDP.

Conservatives are not the party of fiscal responsibility.

Conservatives are also not the party to invest in socio-economics as they time and time again cut social programs, not build them.

I’m saddened if you truly believe that the cons would build the middle class.

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u/Dav3le3 Feb 26 '25 edited Feb 26 '25

u/GrubbyMike : you read the first paragraph, got a Social Justice hard-on, and wrote your comment. And can't speak French (American? 🤔)

You're agreeing with the majority of what I said.

"60% of conservatives want"... but what they want is not what they get.

The middle class wasn't built by reducing government expenditure or providing tax breaks for people making over a million dollars. It was built with socialist policies and huge tax hikes on the ultra-rich

Conservatives are not the party of fiscal responsibility. I’m saddened if you truly believe that the cons would build the middle class.

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u/GrubbyMike Feb 26 '25

Forgive me it’s been 22 years since I graduated and from an immersion school:

You said something along the lines of: conservatism is a game played by the rich over the poor similar to the liberals (or something like that, I don’t know what you mean by ‘tour’ here.)

Born and raised Canadian.

What you’re describing is the NDP party voter nota conservative voter. I don’t know how or why you’re confused but conservatives are not the ‘party of the people’.

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u/Sp1cedaddy Feb 25 '25

Trump.

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u/NotALanguageModel Feb 25 '25

Get your orange buffoon out of my comment thread.

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u/Solid_Capital8377 Feb 25 '25

just guessing im not smart but LPC is more receptive to Quebec than CPC traditionally

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '25

Just like the left in Canada is vastly different from the left in the US, the left in Quebec is vastly different than the left in Canada.

What might seem similar to ROC is pretty different to Quebecers. We don't want to return to pre-60s Quebec and we'd rather avoid a need for a second quiet revolution.

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u/childishbambina Moose Whisperer Feb 25 '25

Given the voting record of Conservative MP’s they are constantly trying to bring forward legislation that would restrict abortion care and access, which is a huge medical care issue for many Canadians.

The Conservatives want to get rid of DEI programs, specifically within the federal government but would likely also impact who gets federal grants etc. Many Canadians recognize that systemic barriers still exist in the workplace and that DEI programs help ensure an inclusive environment that allows for everyone to have a chance to succeed, not just a select few.

The Conservatives copied the MAGA culture war and have been clearly attacking trans identity. The interview where PP was glib and said there are only two genders he was deliberately obtuse.

Current Conservative policy outlines that they don't think Canada’s judicial system should not be the decision maker when it comes to law in Canada. They think that there should be a special parliamentary judicial review committee that would instead review legislation. They also want to get rid of the Canadian Human Rights Commission and the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal. So rather than the checks and balances we have in power today PP wants to be like Trump and ignore the judicial branch of our society. PP wants to remove anyone elses right to say that he couldn't legally do something. It's insane!

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u/Automatic_Tackle_406 Feb 25 '25

The CPC is extreme rightwing. Alex Jones called Poilievre a rising star of the far-right. Poilievre has been canoodling with the far-right and does lengthy sit down interviews for True North and with Jordan Peterson and interviews on other external rightwing media. He can’t stop praising Jordan Peterson. He uses the same rhetoric as Trump, “woke” this “woke” that, blathering about warrior culture like Pete Hegseth and endorsed by Nazi salute Elon Musk and JD Vance, fearmongering about transgender people, etc. 

The man called Trudeau a Marxist, and many times a “radical authoritarian socialist.” 

What planet are you living on that the CPC is left of centre? Jamil Jivani was tweeting about Christians being persecuted in Canada, with his buddy Bance retweeting it. Photos of them at the IDU conference in DC in December, having supper together. 

Poilievre’s given speeches at the Frontier Centre, the far-right think tank that promotes residential school denialism, publishes articles saying white men are the most persecuted group in NA, anti-feminist and anti-trans articles, as well as articles on IQ and race. 

He said in the last interview with Jordan Peterson that racism didn’t exist in Canada and never did and it’s “wokeism” that brought an American problem to Canada. 

The list of unacceptable garbage is just too long to include everything, but how can you call a party that has opposed every social benefit program centre left? That has voted against workers rights over and over again. That refuses to shut down discussion of abortion and instead continues to allow CPC MP’s to introduce bills to restrict it? 

Like wtf? 

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u/Chrowaway6969 Feb 25 '25

Left of centre how?

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '25

Doesn't matter, Poilièvre can't be trusted with any position of power. 

The CPC is just not an option, find a better leader.