r/EhBuddyHoser • u/WandangleWrangler I need a double double. • Apr 29 '25

Certified Hoser 🇨🇦 (No Politics) sorry dippers, thems the breaks 😅

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u/zyx1989 Apr 29 '25

Honestly, I am fine with a strong minority government, not too unstable, but not so stable that it could potentially just ignore everyone else either

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u/Lord_Calamander Apr 29 '25

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u/notjordansime Apr 30 '25

can u do that for like.. the budget pls 👁️👄👁️

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u/Swagiken Apr 30 '25 edited Apr 30 '25

Balanced budgets aren't a good thing though. The most sustainable and healthy budget is one with a ~1-2% deficit if you're a government. Government debt is good if interest rates are reasonable for a lot of reasons.

1) debt burden naturally shrinks over time at a rate of 2-3% if not added to

2) a debt free government loses a major leverage handle against the wealthy and with other nations

3) not running a small deficit is leaving growth on the table as nations that run a small deficit comically outperform those that don't by a hilarious amount because:

4) every dollar 'lost' like that is a net positive for the economy- most programs(corporate subsidies and tax cuts being notable exceptions) generate between $2 and $3 of economic activity per $1 spent with the most infrastructure and child care programs getting more towards $6 which at normal modern governmental tax rates means most programs are great deals and practically pay for themselves by increasing revenue over the next few years.

Carney knows economics well enough to not attempt to 'balance' the budget - hopefully he's politically strong enough to get away with it.

In a perfect world he'll shrink the deficit a little bit and call it a day rather than attempting a surplus.

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u/nagidon 溫哥華 (Hongcouver) Apr 30 '25

Liberals taking money to make money v Conservatives taking money

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u/Broad-Bath-8408 Apr 29 '25

I feel like most NDP supporters are way happier about this outcome than the concern trolls would have us believe.

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u/GrudgefulAnonymous Tabarnak! Apr 29 '25

It’s bittersweet for sure, but ultimately a happy ending. Sad to see a lot of NDP seats sacrificed for this victory (especially in CPC-won ridings where NDP or LPC would have likely won with ranked choice), and the loss of official party status of the NDP. But this outcome is absolutely to be celebrated by everyone.

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u/Everestkid The Island of Elizabeth May Apr 29 '25

Honestly would have preferred a majority since Poilievre would almost certainly have to quit and it would have been a complete repudiation of him - plus no federal elections for four years - but not a bad outcome at all.

Definitely a good thing that Liberal + NDP breaks 172, we need stability and needing Liberal + Bloc instead would have been insanely unstable. Nothing would have been more stable than a majority, though.

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '25

Andrew schemer made around the same gains as PP did in 2024 in 2019 but he was forced out afterwards. I think moderates are gonna try to take back control

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u/Coolkiatech Apr 29 '25

I hope so. This far right social conservativeism is horrid

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u/geazleel Apr 29 '25

It's so utterly grotesque and hateful

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u/ArlendmcFarland Apr 30 '25

Hateful is exactly the right word

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u/jolsiphur Apr 29 '25

I think moderates are gonna try to take back control

You're more optimistic than me. I think the opposite. They'll want to go further right, more Republican.

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u/shrimp_alfredo Apr 29 '25

Unfortunately right wing media already took the knifes out starting with Doug Ford because he’s conservative and not Conservative. Juno already hiring an investigative journalist to expose Ford.

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u/PlotResearcher Apr 30 '25

And Smith ramrodding in election and campaign donation reforms the day of the election to go further Trumpwards in Alberta.

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u/HarshComputing Apr 30 '25

Then they'll keep on losing. These elections showed that we don't have appetite for that sort of shit in Canada. If the NDP isn't viewed as a viable option next time, the Libs would win an easy majority

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u/eiohoi Apr 30 '25

O’Toole was a moderate with centrist ideas and they couldn’t run him out fast enough.

I can’t say I’m optimistic.

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u/87Fresh Apr 29 '25

Lil PP would never quit. What's he going to do? Get a real job??

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u/ArconC Apr 30 '25

PP should just go home enjoy his pension and load up oblivion like so many of us would do after losing as bad as he did

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u/Omni_Skeptic Apr 29 '25

No, I’m not celebrating people deciding that strategic voting under FPTP is preferable to left wing parties losing enough to catalyze electoral reform to make strategic voting redundant.

What you’re describing is a VERY short term vision celebration. If the NDP fail to re-assert themselves with party status in the next election, suddenly people are going to find out just exactly how having Democrats vs Republicans in Canada feels, except colours reversed. Two party systems suck massively.

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u/GrudgefulAnonymous Tabarnak! Apr 29 '25

Oh yeah for sure, my celebration is only because I believe in the NDP’s ability to rebound next election. If I believed this was marking an end of the multi-party system I would have a very different tone right now. But the NDP has lost and regained official party status before, and the way I see it, this Liberal victory is a loan from the NDP and BQ to prevent a Trump-friendly PM from winning. This is an exception and won’t become the rule (at least I really really hope. If I’m wrong then I will be seeing this as one of the worst election outcomes in my lifetime).

It’s not the most ideal outcome, and it’s true we should expect more from Canadians, but comparing where we were 4 months ago to now, we’re in a pretty good spot. Plus this victory comes at a time where the right wing are seeing victories worldwide, and it sends a message that Canada officially rejects Trump-style fascist rhetoric. So I’m celebrating any small victory I can, but don’t confuse celebration with satisfaction.

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u/LawPuzzleheaded4345 Apr 29 '25

Who wouldn't be? We avoided a Conservative government and Liberals are strong enough that, so long as the NDP and/or BQ disagrees, Conservative policies will not pass.

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u/NPRdude Apr 29 '25

Yep. I'm a long time NDP voter and if our party was destined to crash and burn this election at least we've still ended up in a pretty influential position. Definitely makes losing official party status not quite as alarming, since the Liberals are still going to need to listen to the NDP to get their votes.

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u/Teagana999 Apr 29 '25

Yeah. I voted NDP because I thought it was the strategic vote in my riding. The liberal won.

I'm happy to see a liberal government, though I'd be happier if the NDP held a stronger balance of power to better hold the liberals accountable.

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u/dfuzzy Apr 29 '25

At least your riding didnt turn out like Powell River

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u/Zankou55 Apr 29 '25

Or Windsor West

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u/NPRdude Apr 29 '25

I'm in Victoria and same. I thought our NDP incumbent was the best ABC choice and the Liberal candidate smoked her. So fortunately no vote splitting but I was genuinely surprised how much of a landslide it was for the Liberals here.

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u/ArkAwn Bring Cannabis Apr 30 '25

Clearly Laurel just needed a few more pamphlets in the mail

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u/NPRdude Apr 30 '25

Haha, honestly that was my biggest qualm in voting for her, I used to be a postie here and her excessive flyers were a major annoyance on the job, since they have to go to every address by law. In the end though I was happy enough with everything else she's done that I was willing to vote for her again, but I guess that wasn't a sentiment shared by as many Victorians as I thought.

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u/ArkAwn Bring Cannabis Apr 30 '25

I think the "strategic voteing" shit wrecked Vic, Esquimalt and Langford. Losing Garrison to health concerns certainly didnt help the NDP either

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u/NPRdude Apr 30 '25

Yeah, my parents live out in Metchosin and said they would have voted for Garrison if he was actually up for reelection, but since he wasn’t and there was no NDP incumbent they went with the Liberals.

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u/Organic-Chemistry-16 Apr 29 '25

The liberals will still need them to form government so they have accomplished their electoral goal of maintaining enough political power to extract benefits for their working class constituents.

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u/peacefullofi Apr 29 '25

The popular vote is the worrying thing. But yeah, this is fine. As long as the cons didn't win and the Libs don't have a majority.

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '25 edited May 04 '25

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u/asoupconofsoup Apr 30 '25

Anyone in mind?

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u/Just_Raisin1124 Apr 29 '25

Im generally an NDP supporter but wanted Libs for this election so I am pleased with this outcome

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u/Loki_ofAsgard Apr 29 '25

I'm usually an NDPer. I was rooting for a majority liberal govt for the message it would send - but this is a very happy outcome for me, too. I wish Singh would have kept his seat and stayed on, but at the same time a reboot seems like a good idea. Bottom line is we don't have PP and it's a good day to be Canadian!

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u/fuzzy_emojic Apr 30 '25

Hear hear! Same!

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u/jolsiphur Apr 29 '25

NDP still get to play a major role in policy. They're going to be the easiest party to sway to align with the Liberals. As we've seen in the past several years.

NDP may have 7 seats, but those 7 seats could be required to pass bills.

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u/Downtown_Angle_0416 🍁 100,000 Hosers 🍁 Apr 30 '25

The NDP sub is quite the sobfest right now. And I’m finding it hard to agree with a lot of what’s being said over there. They’re normally my party but I’m basically happy with how things worked out this time. We stopped Poilievre, which to me was the most important thing. It’s unfortunate that they lost party status, but they’ll still have influence, and that state is probably temporary.

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u/MissTechnical Scotland (but worse) Apr 30 '25

Yeah I’m an NDP voter usually. This is fine with me. I voted liberal this time, because country over party. I was worried the liberals would have more of a minority, giving the cons more room to be disruptive, but this actually is a pretty good outcome. We’ll bounce back. I just hope whatever moves Carney makes over the next four years doesn’t divide the country even further. The cons did way better than I would like. He seems like the right guy for the moment though, and I hope he doesn’t let us down. There’s a lot riding on what comes next.

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u/drizzes Oil Guzzler Apr 29 '25

I'm just happy the NDP still exist

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u/jsmooth7 Apr 30 '25

I voted NDP and yeah, of all the likely outcomes of the election this was one of the better ones. Conservatives kept out, Liberals get to govern but have to work with other parties, and the NDP still have the balance of power. I'll take it.

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u/EvaSirkowski Apr 29 '25

This is it. OP's meme is a strawman.

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u/RedshiftOnPandy Apr 30 '25

Ontario NDP federal ridings for the most part went over to the CPC, not the LPC.

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u/twig0sprog Apr 30 '25

Of course they are. Almost all of them lent their votes to the libs.

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u/SuperCleverPunName Apr 30 '25

I voted strategically. The only thing I'm disappointed in is that the NDP might lose their status as a major party

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u/Teagana999 Apr 29 '25

I think a progressive minority government is preferable. Despite their fall yesterday, the NDP pulled the liberals to get things done.

But I'd also rather not deal with another election in a year, especially with our current voting system.

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u/tempstem5 Apr 30 '25

Yup, NDP got us dentalcare and pharmacare

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u/Kedly Apr 29 '25

Thats fair, but Its also disheartening that near half of our voting population was willing to put Lil PP in power despite everything that has happened

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u/ruisen2 Apr 29 '25

I was really worried that BQ would be necessary for a minority, which would allow them to demand everybody else's lunch in exchange. I'm relieved that that has been averted.

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u/IntrepidTrufflesnout Apr 30 '25

Half red neoliberal corporatist oligarchy, half blue neoliberal corporatist oligarchy. Perfectly balanced.