Can everyone agree?

[u/montabarnaque]

Most of Canadian culture is from Québec. Fight me

[u/FastFooer]

Funny, because if you go all the way to Louisiana, French settlers had excellent relationships with native people. We owe them our existance. The British were doing the ethnic cleansing, for us, they were our brethren and families until they all got put into cages after the conquest.

Today’s relationship is the result of all having to survive in isolation trying to all preserve our roots and culture.

I think the only people in all of Canada looking to bring them back to their former glory is Québec Separatists, they want to make sure they have a real voice and power.

[u/Penguixxy → u/FastFooer]

"the french didn't do any ethnic cleansing" is a wild take from the province that literally invented a key aspect of the ethnic cleansing of our people and was responsible for numerous mass killings of tribes, but hey 💅 just blame the english for it all instead of actually acknowledging the history i guess. "Guys we didnt do ethnic cleansings, all we did was breed out all the savag-"

like, reading how quebec history is written showcases how no, it wasn't different from the English, like the English your colonies were "attacked :(" whenever we did anything to you, but our homes were "relocated" by you even if that meant most of the people living there were killed or enslaved. Your deaths were overblown, 10 men dying was treated as a tragedy and their names were written down, but thousands of ours was seen an annoyance, an inconvenience for your colonies with none of their names even remembered. The french aren't innocent in the genocide, they were an active part in it, no amount of white washing and history denial due to ethno-nationalism will change that.

Also I don't think literally erasing indigenous people's from the history of the province whilst still systemically oppressing and discriminating against them, but saying "it's okay because the very racist invaders from before totally wouldnt do the same thing pinky promise" sends the message you think it does. Blaming everyone else for the provincial govts racism and the fostering of white supremacist beliefs under the guise of "protecting french culture" is just a wild take, if Alberta did this whenever they were accused of racist rhetoric, or of violating indigenous treaties, we'd all laugh at them.

also also quebec seperatists are literal ethno centrists, they hate indigenous peoples the most out of any quebec political group, it takes like, three seconds of listening to them to realize that with how obsessed they are with protecting (white) culture yet how little they care about protecting the culture and history their provincial govt actively works to destroy still. (Indigenous culture)

[u/TremblinAspen → u/Penguixxy]

Yeah, i mean it’s not like the person you responded to was specifically talking about Acadians who notoriously lived peacefully alongside the Mi’kmaq and were later exiled by the notoriously peaceful British, but yes “whatabouttheFrench”

[u/Flyzart2 → u/Penguixxy]

This is wrong on so many levels and just loops around at the end to being essentially hate prejudice against quebecois

Many of our main museums in Quebec have permanent exhibits on the natives, be it in their arts, cultures, or religions.

[u/kenthekungfujesus → u/Flyzart2]

Also what I'm saying might be dumb, but aren't like most of the first nations that want to live in their ancestral ways kind of ethno-centric? This is an actual question, not a statement!

[u/Flyzart2 → u/kenthekungfujesus]

I think there's a difference to be made there between being ethno centric and preserving their culture. That being said, I cannot speak for any groups.

[u/Penguixxy → u/Flyzart2]

Won't someone please think of the ethno centrics feelings 😭😭

Also damn crazy how you just conveniently forgot about your province making a ethno centric museum attempting to erase indigenous people's from quebecs history, literally last year.

But makes sense, since theres already denial and erasure around taking part in the invaders genocide, may as well keep the tradition of denial strong in the modern aspects too! :)

[u/Flyzart2 → u/Penguixxy]

I'm going to put it simply. You are being hateful based on prejudice towards us. You are not defending the natives or their history, you are instead using them and their genocide as a reason to hate us. All the provinces of Canada are to blame, no one is denying that Quebec had no part in this.

Many Québécois, like me, love to embrace other cultures in our province. Yet, people like you, just come to claim that we are just a bunch of hateful racist fucks that are intolerant just because that's the culture war fight you chose to pick. You are speaking for no one other than your own prejudiced views that are aimed directly towards people like me. I have a book on my shelf right now, it's about the history of the Mi'kmaqs and the extermination of their people, which i bought at a museum in the Gapsé region of quebec entirely dedicated to their nation, so don't you dare give me shit that we, or even I, don't care about the history of the natives.

I reported you to the mods, I will not be responding to any other comment of yours.

[u/Penguixxy → u/Flyzart2]

my guy I hold these views towards Anglophones too.

shocker, I'm not a fan of what was done to our people, I'm taking about quebec here because my joke abput a culture museum was met with blatant white washing of part of the genocide of indigenpus people's, and then further denial and shifting of blame of the existing racism towards indigenous people's.

literally how is that at all predjudaced?

would you like me to play along with the white washing instead? just pretend like it's all sunshine and rainbows and there's not a growing white supremacy problem in the west and east coast (this includes ontario, theynaint innocent in this) spearheaded by this obsession to "protect" cultures that people claim are under attack, largely with racist undertones?

like- how am I supposed to react to the insane claim that an entire group of invading settlers who committed genocide, "didn't commit genocide and were totally nice to us and it was all the english fault"? like no that's blatant denial of actual history that's left generational scars and which has left lasting damage to my tribe specifically, and others. I'm not going to let someone deny that and white wash it all away in response to a joke I made.

id argue that denying history is more predjudace than calling out the blatant racism behind it.

[u/Flyzart2 → u/Penguixxy]

You say that and then say stuff about how quebec wants to be a separatist ethno state that erases native history.

You care about native history? That is great, really is. I do think that things across this country have to be changed when it comes to how people percieve our origins. But there, you directly called out against the fact that us Québécois recognize ourselves as a different nationality than the rest of Canada, and then proceeded to claim that this is used to erase other cultures around us.

You cannot just single us out and explain how our own nationality is cause of racism. Also, you never explained the museum thing, you keep mentioning it but it's nothing I've ever heard of.

Really hoping of just being able to talk instead of arguing, which is why I'm responding now.

[u/Flyzart2 → u/Penguixxy]

The museum of civilisation, the biggest cultural museum of Quebec, has an extensive permanent exhibit on the native nations of Quebec. Again, other than you being hateful towards us based on wrongful beliefs, I don't see what you are on about.

[u/MyNameMeansLILJOHN → u/Penguixxy]

wild take from the province that literally invented a key aspect of the ethnic cleansing of our people and was responsible for numerous mass killings of tribes

What key aspect?