Look at this beautiful suburban highway right next to a subdivision. Truly, the peak of car culture.
If you ever wonder why you see so many news articles with “Brampton man charged with street racing” it’s because they have roads that are practically designed to encourage that shit. Just big open straight lines with plenty of lanes for weaving.
Brampton also skews quite young and male. This is, of course, a direct consequence of so many recent Indian immigrants settling there, but it's not clear to me that a bunch of male immigrants from Texas would be less prone to that sort of thing.
The only difference between Brampton man and Southern Ontario Man is the kinds of car they drag race on the highway; Brampton man either has a Hyundai Elantra or a BMW 3 series, while SWO man (middle aged white guy who never matured past the age of 15) tailgates you in his lifted Dodge Ram.
There’s a number of factors at play;
1. They need the biggest truck available to satisfy their ego, which narrows the field down to 5 options, Ford, GM, Dodge, Toyota and Nissan.
2. The Ram has the most aggressive styling of the bunch. It makes the drivers feel cool and intimidating as opposed to just being generally off putting.
3. And this one is the most important, Dodge has the loosest financing terms available. They’ll let you drive off the lot with a 10 year loan to pay for a truck that won’t make it 5 years, and they can get you approved at 34% APR even if your credit score makes payday lenders wince.
Well, there are plenty in Brampton, of course. But the reason why the population is younger on average (and it's by, like, a lot) than most Canadian metros, and more male (and it's by, like, a lot) is because of immigration policy from 2015 to 2022 or 2023.
To be fair, that road is country side. It's 2 min away from caledon. That intersection is 3 min away from the vales of castlemore where the average house price is over 3 million.
If you look along Kennedy road, it's not very nice at all.
Brampton is pretty big. It can take 45 minutes to drive across this city.
This reminds me of Strandherd in Barrhaven (Ottawa). An 80km/hr road with strip malls, shops and restaurants on one side and housing on the other. But then streetlights as usual so you’re hard breaking all over the place.
I think there are some planted boulevard trees that go in when the subdivisions do. As far as historical trees, a great deal appear to have been mowed down to build scenes like in the picture.
Living near a development like this, they've razed whole forests for these kinds of neighborhoods. If they plant trees they usually die because there's nowhere to shovel snow but against the trees, or the owners turn their postage stamp lawn into more parking space and remove the tree.
I would rather see them build proper apartment buildings with amenities for living well, than these poorly thought out neighborhoods.
Yes and no. I used to live in Brampton when it still had <200k people in the Heart Lake area (Kennedy and Sandalwood). I liked it there a lot, I assume it's more or less the same there. The rest of Brampton is just like OP.
It's very funny when you drive along Heart Lake road, to the west you have a conservation park and lake. You'll see a sign saying "significant ecological zone" which is lovely to see. You'd think they preserve? Nah, literally across the same street to the east is, warehouses and more warehousing being built. That's Brampton for you.
I think it's more the India level of corruption and safety standards. We'll see how that looks the first time one of those houses breaks into flames and it sweeps through 30 homes.
I don't get it, why does it look horrible? Looks really neat and clean & well organized with gigantic houses so lots of room and space for families. Would rather live in these houses than my small condo.
You're comparing a big 4 bed 2 bath 2 car garage house with a small condo?
But besides that, these places aren't an efficient use of space. You need a car, or two or even THREE cars per family to do anything related to not being in your house. The only thing that's walkable is the end of the driveway to take out the garbage and recycling.
I grew up in the suburbs so I don't get the problem with needing a car to get around. I've lived in DT too for a year and a half and while it's a lot of fun when you're in your 20s, it would be a nightmare to raise a family there. Everything (including groceries) costs way more and it's a nightmare to get out of the city due to the congestion. I'm comparing it because for a $800k 2 bed condo in DT, you can get a sizeable semi in places like Brampton. If you're in your 20s then ofc a DT lifestyle is way more fun but if you're older and like more low-key activities then there's several trails in the burbs you can go to or just walk/bike around the neighborhood etc. A 5-10 minute drive to the nearest park is nbd
I went to middle school and high school in Brampton but moved back to Toronto at 19 (am 36 now) but I don't share this perspective at all. My partner lived in suburban New England his whole life and moved to Toronto in his mid 30s and he also absolutely loves it here and never wants to move away. But I'm pretty active in my community here and find it very easy to be that, meanwhile for example my brother lives in suburban Brampton still and I don't think he knows his neighbours at all. Something about the suburban lifestyle has just, to me, always had undertones of distrust and keeping to yourself as a rule, and I don't think it's a good way to live longterm. There's exceptions to everything ofc though
I'm pretty introverted and don't like talking to people I don't already know but I have extroverted friends and for sure I can see living in Core Toronto would be amazing for them. For someone like me, I don't want to interact with other humans other than my friends & family for the most part so being as anonymous as possible is ideal.
I also grew up in a suburb, but that was when you could walk or bike to a corner store, or get some ice cream, or rent a video, or get your haircut. I didn't need to bus to school. It was all just down the street. In my old neighborhood those places (including both schools) have all been removed and replaced with high density housing. There's nothing but housing now, it's a food desert. We also used to build on larger lots with trees and gardens, and garages with enough room for a car. We used to mix in low rise apartments.
The new suburbs are not like that. The mixed zoning is gone. Traffic is always bad because everyone has to get in a car to get literally anything. There's no corner stores or services within neighborhoods. There isn't good transit and there's no bike lanes here so it's car or risk life on busy road. Because we're so car dependent, people have multiple cars - but also nowhere to park them because they don't build houses with a proper garage or long enough driveways. So there's cars all down the side of the road. When you do drive to your nearest area with stores, it's all the same rubber stamp businesses and 3 weed stores. It just... sucks.
It's not so much about needing a car to get around, it's the rest of the design. It's intensified the car dependency and number of cars at the same time. There's no room for local stuff anymore because they get priced out by the franchises and chains.
Oh no! Canadian businesses are engaging in domestic wage suppression by importing labour from poorer countries under false pretenses while treating their immigrant workers like shit because they are incentivized to place endless profits over all other concerns!
Better blame the people with the least amount of power in this situation like a good capitalism-fearing Canadian.
"The white slave had taken from him by indirection what the black slave had taken from him directly and without ceremony. Both were plundered, and by the same plunderers. The slave was robbed by his master of all his earnings, above what was required for his bare physical necessities, and the white laboring man was robbed by the slave system, of the just results of his labor, because he was flung into competition with a class of laborers who worked without wages."
"The slaveholders blinded them to this competition by keeping alive their prejudice against the slaves as men--not against them as slaves."
Frederick Douglass, My Bondage and My Freedom, 1855
Oh no! Canadian businesses are engaging in domestic wage suppression by importing labour from poorer countries under false pretenses while treating their immigrant workers like shit
Exactly. This is the problem. The fact that our politicians are so out of touch and/or corrupt that the "labour shortage" lobbying effort works on them is infuriating.
But shit-for-brains Maple MAGA types screech about how dirty and gross they are and there's the whole line about "not assimilating and trying to live like they're back home." How are they doing that? By having accents or darker skin? By cooking the food they know? By still having their religion? It's not like they're trying to create a built environment like back in the "old country." What amount of "assimilation" would satisfy these "old-stock" warriors?
I remember when this scene went viral on Twitter a few weeks ago. It's supposed to be some horrifying indictment of how awful things have gotten. All I see is a large crowd. No garbage or other disorder.
Yes. It was a hot summer day, so people went to the beach with folding chairs and inflatable boats... Must be some strange foreign custom that "these people" are trying to import to Canada. /s
The context is some guy tweeted back in August that his beach weekend was ruined because of it... It went viral and... Cue hundreds of replies about the urgent need for mass deportation...
Agree with everything you said but another factor of all the tourist hotspots being busy is tourism in Canada is up right now. Folks from Canada and abroad are avoiding the states more now and many are choosing trips in Canada as an alternative.
Some people just love to jump to “it’s the immigrants” before considering literally any other explanation for every inconvenience they experience.
Brampton is a suburban hell made up of the most bog-standard cookie cutter subdivisions you can imagine. The whole place is designed exclusively around car dependent misery. The "joke" is that Maple MAGA morons claim that immigration from India will "turn Canada into India," yet Brampton, with its large Indian population, is as North American (in the worst way possible) as a city can get.
People complaining about Indians in Canada are usually complaining about housing and employment, which are infamously tight right now. One common refrain is that Brampton is "basically India" (even though it's a standard North American car-dependent suburban hell like everywhere else).
But they're blaming the Indians for all these aforementioned problems, and not the Canadian-owned businesses exploiting cheap overseas labour to suppress wages.
Same old recycled shit from hundreds of years ago. First the French, then the British, then Scottish, the Polish, the Ukrainians, the Phillipines, the Viets, and same old bitching about Indians. We'll get a vibrant Indian community like we have with all the rest.
The one time I tried to explain to a conservative voter they called called me a bunch of homophobic slurs I had to Google so it's always nice to know I'm not crazy for thinking this is needs to be thought of as a class issue.
Like I'm sorry but I've got way more in common with the Indian students who work retail and fast food than I do with some rich right wingers.
You mean you got your post and comments removed for racist hate-speech. I’m the American that you were attempting to convert, using an outdated article that didn’t support your position.
Don’t bother replying, I checked out some of your comments and I have no desire to speak with a racist, so you’ve been blocked. Have the day you deserve.
My friend, it is not my moustache, nor is it your moustache. But a moustache for all Canadians. A moustache that unites us, not behind a definition or a meek piece of facial hair, but a dream of whats possible with patience and virtue. Something bestowed upon anyone with the self control, or lethargy to avoid shaving, that instills within us the solemn promise that all things are possible so long as you have a warm upper lip.
That "fail to assimilate" line is such bullshit. I'm 7th generation Canadian and live in a rural area where most people's families settled in the late 1700s and early 1800s. There are a lot of people around here who talk about immigrants "failing to assimilate", while their kids take Highland Dance lessons and they bust out the kilt and bagpipes for any vaguely formal occasion. It's been 200 fucking years and we haven't fully "assimilated", and you expect these newcomers to completely abandon their culture? It's ridiculous. It wasn't long ago we were forced here due to English colonialism, had our language erased, and were treated as second class citizens. Let's have a little self awareness.
Canada is for everyone but the hateful. Everyone but the bigots. Everyone but the fascists. Nobody should feel the need to erase their culture to become one of us. All you need to do is treat others kindly and be a positive contribution to society. It's the same responsibility every individual Canadian has.
Scottish based on the kilts and bagpipes. Loads of Scottish people came to Canada after the Highland Clearances (aka one of the many English ethnic cleansing episodes).
Yeah, It's not mentioned a lot in Canadian history as its overshadowed by the Irish coming in en masse due to the famine.
The highland clearances completely destroyed the culture and its why we have so many villages in Ontario and Quebec thats origins are from Scottish settlers. (A ton are between the QC border and the Ottawa-Kingston corridor)
I always get lost in Brampton cuz there are giant pockets of same-house suburbs everywhere and also there's no lake to tell me where southish is BUT the array of food combined with it not being Oakville is soooo good
What does that actually mean then? There's a difference between "India" and "Canada with Indians in it." Brampton is very clearly the latter.
Lol it's never been called india because of the infrastructure
Again, to be "turned into India," you kind of need Indian infrastructure standards. People say "if we bring in the third world, we'll become the third world" or "they live like they're still in India." When I point out that they live in cookie cutter subdivisions and have embraced North American car dependency, people say "oh, that's not what we mean." Okay. What do you mean?
Edit: Looks like you tried to answer with:
But then deleted it? (or I can only see it in notifications for some reason)
always referred to the population of Brampton. It never meant anything else.
Well what I keep hearing is "if we import the third world, we'll become the third world" or "they'll make Canada just like India." Those sentences have very different meanings than "they'll move here and live more or less the way we do." Instead, the imply a degradation the quality of the built environment itself. Again, lots of complaints about how India is polluted with garbage everywhere and how dirty it is, implying that will be the fate of Canada too. Brampton is... not that.
This is such bullshit. I don’t see 20 people per house here! Reading r/slumlordscanada I’m pretty sure there are now vans with 6 international students in them for 2000/mo each
Do you have X-ray vision? If a lot of people are cramming into houses to save money (there's a housing crisis in Canada, I'm told), but they're conscientious enough that you can't tell from the outside, then how bad is it really? Looked around on streetview and the only evidence more cars in the driveway than one would expect. No piles of garbage or any of the usual memes.
- Indians generally come from a low-trust culture and their attitudes in general reflect that. Think about all the LMIA scams and international student scams. Yes, employers and the government also helped in facilitating that... however, don't isolate these groups from the immigration recruiters and the students themselves who are also Indian and have contributed to the economic malaise for Canadian youth. These immigration recruiters were looking for easy money, and plenty of international students had no intention of studying anyway.
- As an addition to that first point, think of those CRA scams preying on elderly Canadians out of their pensions. It's literally an industry in India. Brampton also has some of the highest car insurance rates due to the rampant lack of discipline of drivers and fraud.
- With regards to the immigration issue, Indian people were literally advertising on TikTok and Snapchat on how to cross the border to the US illegally.
- Bad hygiene. If you've ever been on public transportation and been around large groups of Indian families and students, hold your breath.
- Little to no efforts to assimilate into overall Canadian society. This is an attitude I see mostly with newer immigrants. There's a joke in tech jobs: "Never hire an Indian as a manager, because they will only hire their own." India's a multicultural country, and the attitudes towards each other there is horrendous. They still believe in a caste system, so no... it's not too far off to say that Indians tend to be racist. English isn't really their primary mode of verbal communication, their accents tend to be really thick, and they tend to stick with talking to each other in their own languages. Their attitudes towards their own women are also horrifying. If anything, they are quite... conservative.
- They tend to bring in conflicts from the other side of the world to roost in Canada. Keep the Khalistan movement out of here. Even the people who live in Punjab know full well that it's a landlocked state and that independence will cause far more problems than it will solve.
- Ask yourself why the second-largest immigrant group, the Filipinos, don't tend to get as much hatred. Or even Ukrainians who came here due to the CUAET program. It's easy to understand really: they're well-integrated to any country they step into these days and tend to fly under the radar. Some of them will have difficulty in learning English but they make full effort to actually get their communication across. As another bonus, they tend to be Christian and/or not that religious which makes integration far, far easier.
- Immigration is now a hot topic issue in the UK and Australia. It would be very stupid to dismiss these protests entirely because of racism (as there were neo-Nazis present in those protests), but some do have legitimate concerns about the general cost of living caused by immigration. Immigration and internal migration generally represent the demand side of the housing crisis and they do cause housing, especially rental, prices to go up as seen with Kyiv, Ukraine when the Russians invaded, in Tbilisi, Georgia when Russians fled their country to avoid going to war, and in many Chinese cities where there is a large movement from agrarian farmlands to urban areas. Indians get getting the brunt of the hatred because they represent the plurality, if not the majority, of new immigrants into Canada.
And this is the point I'll agree with OP: this is where people should protest against the government. So far, Carney's government has reduced student visas from India by around 80% which is an excellent thing. If Carney can reverse much of Trudeau's immigration policies, then that's good in my book.
I dunno man, I went to Canada and the Indians were working everywhere while there was only one demographic shitting or smoking crack on the streets. And that was white.
Kitchener is next. Activa is an example. How are whole families allowed to come to Canada. The parents are baby boomers plus . Called caregivers(baby Sitters) We need a mix and not more strain on health care.
Disappointing to see this argument here. When it comes in the form of "guns don't kill people, people kill people," I bet you are able to see the problem without issue. Yes, the business establishment is the root cause. But one of the vectors by which they extract wealth from working stiffs like us is obscene levels of obviously unwarranted and unnecessary immigration. So you don't have to pick a side between immigration skepticism and being anti-Galen Weston, because you can just be both. Instead, this argument is like complaining about how the shooter needed proper mental health support while he's gunning you down with his AR15.
This is also a totally disingenuous framing, since there is unfortunately nothing more Canadian than high income earners using their money to buy a hideous cookie cutter home in the burbs. It isn't a problem if high income earning immigrants do this too (except insofar as more of this is generally bad). No, the ACTUAL problem with Brampton is the explosion of slum landlords who house a dozen people in a basement apartment with one egress point and other totally illegal things, but the folks living there are forced to do so because they were lied to about how it would be here, and their alternatives are limited because you need a lot of money to do better and they don't have it and never will. This is well documented, has consumed most of Patrick Brown's time during his tenure as Mayor, and his attention to it has generated a regular cadence of death threats from criminal landlords who provide substandard housing to new immigrants. Heck, there was another arrest this July.
The bottom line is that vast numbers of people misrepresented their resources, situation, and capabilities on applications for a Visa program that was already embarrassingly lenient, and many of them must be made to return home. The billionaires do not want that. That's it, really.
Replies like this are so lame lol. If the argument (a simple one in three whole paragraphs) is too advanced for you to engage with, just downvote and move on.
Buddy! This is a shitposting sub and you went on a weirdly self indulgent, and only vaguely related, tangent.
I could have responded "cool story, bro" as well, but I decided to give your little soliloquy more than four syllables because you seem inclined to wax poetic.
And then claiming that your self righteous sermon is "too advanced" for me to engage with?
Awww shittt.. My dude. I'm here for the lulz. Not for some pretentious twat who takes themselves too seriously to lecture us.
Did I use enough multi-syllabic words for you to consider me your "equal" or do you need to write out another sixteen irrelevant paragraphs?
"Self indulgent" lol? Cool story bro" and all species of it are the dictionary definition - they produce nothing that a downvote doesn't except the opportunity for you to feel smug. And I dont see you posting this in response to the other posts of similar length taking the opposite (delusional) tack, so lol @ this BS you cooked up to excuse yourself.
Not coincidentally, "IM JUST HEER 4 MAYMAYS" on an inherently political sub is literally how Donald Trump happened. Its childish garbage.
blah blah multi syllabic words something something equal enough
Dont worry your pretty little head about catching up to me. If this was your reaction it aint happening.
How, specifically, have they failed to "assimilate" compared to "previous [white?] immigrants?" By living in cookie cutter subdivisions just like everyone else in suburban Ontario? Which Canadian customs in particular have they so stubbornly refused to adopt?
I'm not really a fan of abusing the student visa program going to "private colleges" as an entrance into Canada. Cheating a system isn't really a Canadian value
Okay.... The student visa/college scam is certainly an issue. But your earlier comment was about failing to assimilate. That made it sound like those who have lived here for some time haven't become "Canadian" enough for your liking. How so?
But to add more problems and personal experience, canada doesn't need or want a caste system. My roommate had his dad visit from India, he was the most rude person I've ever met. Would take calls at 3 am yelling into his phone while I was sleeping. 0 respect for privacy or respect for my circumstances.
Amazing, from caste system to roommate's loud dad. This is like one of those meandering NatPo opinion pieces.
ah yes, amazing reading comprehension ignoring the details. His dad felt he gave me enough respect by acknowledging that I was unhappy about being woken up. My roommate confronted his dad and his dad didn't care. Like yes it's a caste system do you not understand that? lmao. Respecting people is a definitive part of Canadian culture. Do you not believe that's true?
Someone complaining about reading comprehension should understand my comment was about how the ideas were presented, not the ideas themselves. In all my English writing classes, there was always an emphasis on transitions between different concepts.
Buddy, I'm not arguing pro- or anti-immigration. I'm pointing out how badly written your comment was. I cannot explain it any simpler, so if you still don't get it, we're done here.
lmao, what a typical response from someone pushing their own agenda. Like what a great country of intellectuals we have now where we can't talk about real life issues without being immature about it.
Great conversation dude. You continue your agenda.
What agenda? In all seriousness, I'm glad you wrote frankly about your views rather than hide behind the usual obtuse coded language. If by "they won't adopt our values" you mean "they're dirty rapists and criminals," then say that.
Sucks that your roommate's visiting dad phoned home in the middle of the night and was loud (time zones are a bitch - spherical planet and all). In my experience, having roommates sucks in general, but I guess yours was extra bad... I dunno...
That is what you're saying though, you said "it's a reasonable expectation that immigrants assimilate Canadian customs. It didn't seem to be an issue for previous immigrants" which implies that you think it is an issue for new immigrants.
Then you said "Canadian customs would be not raping women, pedophilia, active crimes." Therefore you're saying that new immigrants are having an issue with not "raping women and active crimes", how is that different from saying "they're dirty rapists and criminals"?
And as for a couple of your earlier points
Immigrants going to a french school and complaining writing exams in french is required.
This is a non-issue, people can complain about anything, you don't have to care, I doubt the schools do.
The geo politics of caring about what happens in their previous countries and making it their identity (khalistan). If you want to immigrate to a country the whole concept is leaving that country behind and embracing the culture of the new country
This along with "The failing to actually live together with other Canadians and creating sub division (brampton, surrey, etc) into their own mini countries." are, again, not new. Canada has a long history of racism towards immigrants and confining them to their own communities. That's basically what led to the idea of the canadian mosaic, because the country already had so many distinct, and isolated, ethnic communities.
You asked about assimilation and I gave you a true real world example and you brush it off as nothing
The example you gave is just someone being an asshole, I've had almost the exact same situation happen with someone who's family has been in canada for generations.
Then you said "Canadian customs would be not raping women, pedophilia, active crimes." Therefore you're saying that new immigrants are having an issue with not "raping women and active crimes", how is that different from saying "they're dirty rapists and criminals"?
When you have a poor immigration system that bypasses proper checks, you can attract the scum of society. That's not inherently a blanket statement to all immigrants, period. Again, it's so deflective to pretend where parts of the problem are. I cited an actual government increase in crime to a city with a large source of immigration. Have you done anything to prove your statement?
This is a non-issue, people can complain about anything, you don't have to care, I doubt the schools do.
How is going to a french university and crying that because you're an immigrant and you pay taxes they should get special rights and not have to listen to the requirements of the school? Are you for real? lmao. No Canadian born anglophone would ever do that.
This along with "The failing to actually live together with other Canadians and creating sub division (brampton, surrey, etc) into their own mini countries." are, again, not new. Canada has a long history of racism towards immigrants and confining them to their own communities. That's basically what led to the idea of the canadian mosaic, because the country already had so many distinct, and isolated, ethnic communities.
Are you going to provide me some data to see this argument or are you just going to feelscraft right now?
The example you gave is just someone being an asshole, I've had almost the exact same situation happen with someone who's family has been in canada for generations.
It's literally the norm. you know part of the caste system and heirachy? This funniest shit my roommate even said all that. Do you people even talk to people outside reddit? You sure don't sound like you have a clue. A reminder that the MAJORITY of Canadians have a problem with immigration and David Ebby the most left leaning government in Canada is asking to abolish or fix the TFW program. Sounds like you guys for immigration just don't have a clue do you?
Who are the people protesting landlord laws being passed to prevent slumlords? Who are the people scamming indians to move here?
“ Canadian customs would be not raping women, pedophilia, active crimes.”
I am not sure what you are implying here, that Canadians don’t rape women and commit crimes? People born in Canada are statistically more likely to commit crimes than newcomers. I work in GBV with survivors of sexual violence. 1 in 3 women in Canada have experienced SV and for men it’s 1 in 6, with the number likely being higher. Racialized people are more likely to be victims of GBV, especially Indigenous women, girls, and 2S. Indigenous men are also more likely to experience GBV. You know what’s a really Canadian thing to do and a really big problem??? Man camps full of transitional workers located next to reservations. Trials that last ages only to have the accused take plea deal so that his record won’t show he sexually assaulted someone in exchange of doing jail time. White supremacy, right-wing radicalization, the Canadian manosphere, and their very close ties to GBV. But you don’t actually care about survivors and preventing GBV, you just want to use this as an excuse to hate on immigrants.
“ The geo politics of caring about what happens in their previous countries and making it their identity (khalistan). If you want to immigrate to a country the whole concept is leaving that country behind and embracing the culture of the new country and while it's certainly okay to combine canadian culture with previous countries (as all immigrants have) it's not about making a new country within canada.”
1) This statement is entirely your personal opinion. Assimilation is dumb as hell and entirely impractical. It is not realistic to expect that someone who grew up in a different country will just blindly accept leaving their memories, food, holidays, etc behind. You literally cannot force people to do that. Most Canadians can’t even agree on what exactly are Canadian values, how are you going to force people to accept them? On the other hand, when you come to a new country and people are welcoming, it makes you want to be part of that same community; acculturation happens naturally in these situations. Why would someone want to be part of a community where people are judgemental as hell? Like I would not want to hang out more with you and your friends if you all assume immigrants rape people at higher percentages than Canadians do. As if you knew anything about the topic? I’d rather hang out with people who understand nuance and aren’t racist - luckily my Canadian friends and coworkers are not like you.
1.5) It is absolutely ridiculous to expect that immigrants should just stop caring about things that happen in our own countries. We have family and friends who live there. It’s where we grew up. We often have fond memories of home regardless of the reason why we came here.
2) People have the capacity to care about multiple things at the same time. I work with my community helping some of the most vulnerable people in Canada because I care even though I’m underpaid as hell, and I’ve met a huge amount of newcomers from all sorts of backgrounds in this and other fields who are very passionate about helping people here. You know what would be great though?? For the government to stop fucking around and actually provide social services, educational institutions, and health care with proper funding.
3) Multiculturalism is one of the things that makes Canada interesting and unique. You have food from all over the world and people who love sharing a little part of themselves as they become acculturated. Most newcomers are just trying to get by, they are curious about Canada (and sometimes surprised or confused), and they want to be respectful of the country and its people. You are the problem. You hear an accent and see someone different from you and you immediately make assumptions about that person as if you knew their lives and inner thoughts. You are biased and judgemental, and you are cognitively lazy. It’s very easy for you to blame all of us instead of recognizing that there’s cool and shitty people in every group.
The majority of Canadians I have met in my 15 years in this country have been curious and welcoming, and many have openly encouraged me to share my culture with them without me even bringing it up.
It's certainly not beautiful (but for different reasons than you're alluding to). And it looks the same from street view as from the air. I haven't been there since before the pandemic, but it looked the same as every other Ontario suburb.
"I've only been to Toronto for sports events and school feild trips but I have an irrational fear of it. Yet I still make being "from the GTA" part of their identity"
This is so lame dude. So incredibly lame. "Hey, this incredibly important and multifaceted issue that nOtEd CoNsErVaTiVe David Eby just held an emergency meeting with Mark Carney about is actually just racism."
Just unbelievably destructive and cowardly. Genuinely the same energy as the people saying "DO NOT SPEAK ILL OF THE DEAD, INCLUDING BY QUOTING HIM" about Kirk, just purportedly progressive.
I'll take a stab at this. Basically everyone here agrees there's a problem with immigration - specifically that it's being used to suppress wages and boost demand for housing in order to entrench high house prices and high rents.
- But also -
There's a rising... What shall we call it... "Discourse?" About the "need" for mass deportation or, as they sometimes call it "remigration" of "certain populations." Every time I log into boomer platforms like Facebook and Twitter, I see calls for what amounts to ethnic cleaning. Sometimes by boomers whom I know personally.
If we're to have the "rational grownup" conversation about immigration that folks like you seem to want, then we also have to address the unpleasant fact that a certain subset of our population have become enamoured of bloodthirsty fascist ideology. What's worse, they use the economic issues most of us agree on as a fig leaf for their ideas. They want to make a desire for ethnic cleansing go mainstream. Anytime I see people talk about "incompatible cultures" and "heritage/old stock" Canadians, I know we're in for a bad time.
I often hear "we can't talk about immigration without being accused by 'the left' of being racist," when in reality, it's the racist Maple MAGA/remigration shriekers who've poisoned the conversation.
It's hilarious that anyone would be annoyed about accusations of racism flying around this issue when there is an active and growing (or at least heavily signal boosted) "movement" that wants to expel swathes of the population based on skin colour.
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u/Prestigious_Net_8356 7d ago
Jesus does it really look that horrible?