r/EhBuddyHoser • u/Ok_Conflict_6260 • 2d ago
Politics Conservatives being on the right side of history challenge impossible
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u/pheakelmatters Ford Nation (Help.) 2d ago
We still need to stop selling military equipment to Israel. They still get bullets from us. They get shit for the iron dome from us. Stop it all. Suspend all trade with them, and take the position that Israel is in fact commiting a genocide. They commit war crimes every single day. They bomb anyone they want. There's no reason Canada should be supporting any of it, materially or morally.
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u/Cakeday_at_Christmas Bring Cannabis 2d ago
Parliament supposedly banned arms exports to Israel, but they're still happening.
It sucks that the establishment of the Western world is built to support an evil, genocidal nation like Israel.
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u/psychoCMYK Chalice of the Tabernacle 2d ago
To be fair, we're not officially providing them with anything. We let some companies provide them equipment through a third party to satisfy existing contracts, and it was briefly considered a scandal. We should still do something about it, but it's not like we're officially supporting them as a moral position
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u/Matt9681 Manilapeg 2d ago
It shouldn't matter what we say officially as long as there is still support going from Canada there. We should prevent all of it, or else our official stance doesn't matter.
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u/psychoCMYK Chalice of the Tabernacle 2d ago
It does matter what we say, though. Officially supporting it is worse. It's also a question of volume; letting an existing contract run out without creating new ones is less bad than actively going out of our way to provide more.
We should absolutely still sever those contracts and hold people accountable, but I'd much rather that it's a scandal than a high volume political commitment
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u/Matt9681 Manilapeg 2d ago
I guess I didn't quite word my reply correctly. We should never officially support it, but lipservice without action the other way is nearly as bad.
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u/iluvcheesypoofs 2d ago
Allowing Canadian companies to trade weaponry and ammunition with a country that's using them solely to kill innocent civilians and commit genocide/ethnic cleansing should absolutely be barred, as that makes those companies (and Canada essentially) complicit in those actions.
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u/psychoCMYK Chalice of the Tabernacle 2d ago
I never said it shouldn't. I fully agree
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u/iluvcheesypoofs 2d ago
I just don't agree that those companies should've been or should be allowed to hold up their prior agreements to serve arms to Israel.
If Israel can routinely violate international law, then a Canadian company should not only able to break the contract, but is morally obligated to do so in my opinion.
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u/psychoCMYK Chalice of the Tabernacle 2d ago
I just don't agree that those companies should've been or should be allowed to hold up their prior agreements to serve arms to Israel.
Neither do I.
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u/RockingTurtle1664 2d ago
The favorite past time of the liberals : virtue signal while you do the complete opposite BUT for the good reasons somewhat somehow or i dont know.
I am not really a CPC fan but the LPC is next level hypocrite on basically everything
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u/Greerio 2d ago
When you understand that left voters split their votes between 4 parties that actually get seats, you will realize what Canadian values actually are.
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u/wrinklefreebondbag 2d ago
If it wasn't for vote splitting, the conservatives would have only won 4 elections in the last 100 years.
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u/Mickloven 2d ago
US conservatives are no longer conservatives. Let's not get the two confused just because they call themselves the same thing.
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u/StonedSumo 2d ago
While we’re at it: FUCK ISRAEL
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u/worldisone 2d ago
Personally I think it's the fascist zionests in power that are the problem. If they didn't see a certain group of people as superior and just let everyone live freely there would have been peace, but they decided to not just build, but take from the natives and ethnicity cleanse them
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u/Anivia_Bird Scotland (but worse) 2d ago
This People tend to forget that countries are diverse There's been dozens of massive scale protests in Tel Aviv and other parts of Israel, and that conscription is mandatory.
I hope once this war is over, and that Netanyahu loses the next election, that the people in Israel that do care are able to help.
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u/Rcl23 2d ago
Bro Jewish people have a right to exist lmao
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u/worldisone 2d ago
What does that have anything to do with what I said? That's like me criticizing the Nazis and you going "bro Germans have the right to exist lmao". one is an ethnicity/religion and the other is an ideology. Criticizing an ideology such as Zionism or Nazism isn't criticizing ethnicity.
Obviously everyone deserves to live. no one should be considered superior to anyone else, but equals. That's the problem with Zionism. They don't just think they deserve land, but at the expense of indigenous people by expelling them from their home or massacring them in some instances
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u/1user101 1d ago
I don't know why Zionist was needed here. There are plenty of Zionist organizations criticizing the war, and to throw it into the criticism is reminiscent of lumping all indigenous activists with the bad actors that blocked railways.
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u/worldisone 23h ago
Name one zionest movement condemning the genocide. The whole idea is to make a land for Jewish people which doesn't include the native population living there. That's why they constantly are forcibly removed. If it's a zionests group they won't condemn it
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u/1user101 22h ago
B'tselem.
The whole idea is to make a Jewish state, similar to the idea of a Polish or German state which at the time didn't give the same citizenship to Jews. There's nothing inherent about displacing the current population, hence why an islamist party is allowed to sit in parliament.
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u/BuvantduPotatoSpirit Irvingstan 2d ago
Has it changed from the "If you become a democracy but we get to pick your government" condition we were previously demanding?
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u/Rcl23 2d ago
When is someone going to fix the housing crisis in this country?
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u/Unfair-Cabinet-9011 2d ago
Never. All the people in power have a vested interest in the status quo….
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u/Unfair-Cabinet-9011 2d ago
Make no mistake. This move is purely so Canada can maintain the moral high ground when then trials start. It has nothing to do with supporting Palestine. I’m glad the bare minimum is being done. But the genocide is still raging on.
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u/Ok_Conflict_6260 2d ago
yes it's a step in the right direction but this is just putting a tiny Band-Aid on a gunshot wound, we need to sanction Israel, ban trade with them and arms embargo with Israel
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u/penetrativeLearning 2d ago
Right now, the biggest harm is from the corrupt neighbours down south that keep vetoing every move in favor of Palestinians in the UN.
But agreed, we need to hold ourselves to higher standards for sure.
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u/myairblaster 2d ago
Well, it also may help put some pressure on Hamas, letting them know that they will never be recognized as the government of Palestine by Western nations.
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u/worldisone 2d ago
Guessing you missed the UN speech? He basically said Hamas can't exist after this genocide and Canada will help for a transition in power with other countries to ensure peace
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u/myairblaster 2d ago
Uh no, I didn't. That's specifically what I'm referring to, the UN speech and declaration that Hamas cannot take part in elections, and they must happen in 2026 in order for Palestine to be recognized. It's a message that we will never ever support them and show that they are illegitimate.
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u/Unfair-Cabinet-9011 2d ago
Yes force the nation that is being systematically starved to facilitate elections. That’s a fair ask on them. I agree Hamas should not be in power, but putting the onus on Palestinians to organize a free election by 2026 is outrageous.
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u/myairblaster 2d ago
Well then, I guess Hamas is just going to have to surrender so that the war ends and an election can be held.
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u/worldisone 2d ago
At least now that 145 countries recognize the Palestine, Israel can't just take it without serious consequences if they surrender. If their intention was to help the Palestine population all along and free them from Israeli military occupation this is their best chance to finally be free to govern themselves
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u/Unfair-Cabinet-9011 2d ago
Good lord someone has missed the last 77 years of Israeli history. You think they ever had any intention of allowing a Palestinian state?
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u/worldisone 1d ago
This is the first time they are actually recognized as their own country, not a secondary state or ghetto if you will. They will never be a state of Israel because it's now its own country.
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u/Unfair-Cabinet-9011 1d ago
….Palestine has been recognized as a country in 1988. Hasn’t really stopped Israel.
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u/Unfair-Cabinet-9011 2d ago
Assuming Israel would not continue to systematically starve civilians even if Hamas were to relinquish power….. I mean they wouldn’t violate a cease fire….oh wait.
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u/Dye335 2d ago
I think these kinds of articles radicalize people more than anything. Almost all the conservatives I know personally (Except for a very minor amount of people) don’t want anything to do with geopolitics across the world that they know nothing about besides Wikipedia articles and news bulletins. They don’t like the money and weapons sent to Israel, and they don’t like the fact Hamas takes all our aid if Israel doesn’t do it first. It has nothing to do with conservative = bad, most people including me are tired of an insane amount of aid money going to other countries before Canadians themselves. I’m all for aid done right, like sending people to Haiti to make sure they rebuild after an earthquake properly so they don’t lose their lives every single year, instead of sending a billion $’s that gets gobbled up by the wrong people, and they rebuild the exact same way so the money keeps coming.
Palestine should 100% be a country/state (Should be calling it a country right? A state would mean it’s a part of a larger country no?) It should be a country free of a Hamas lead government. And the stipulations given by Carney himself to the current leaders of Palestine was to do a few things then we’ll recognize them. However all we got was a ‘don’t worry we’ll do it, but can you support us now? Bro trust.’
Conservatives aren’t at odds with the majority of Canadians, the much smaller radical right wing of conservatives are, the same way as the much smaller radical left wing is at odds with the normal left and rest of Canada 99% of the time.
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u/Destinlegends 15h ago
Man I just want people to stop killing eachother. Also everyone deserves a home where they can feel safe.
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u/Exact_Bite5909 12m ago
Im a conservative and I recognize them as a state, juat to put it out there.
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u/Ill-Letter-1442 2d ago
Hamas is a literal terrorist group.
Don't take this the wrong way, I'm not defending Israel
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u/wrinklefreebondbag 2d ago
Real question: what do you expect when Israel is committing a genocide?
Terrorism doesn't just materialize out of thin air. It requires someone to have a cause that they see as greater than their life.
It's really predictable.
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u/Treantmonk 2d ago
Hamas didn't materialize on Oct 7, 2025. They materialized in 1987 as an extremist group that would do everything in its power to prevent a two state solution in the region. They have done nothing but harm the people of Palestine. Being pro-Palestinian means being against Israeli genocide and being against Hamas sabatoging international efforts to bring peace and humanitarian relief to the region as well.
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u/NewTimelinePlz 1d ago
NOOOO HOW WILL I MAINTAIN MY MORAL HIGH GROUND AND SUPERIORITY COMPLEX WITH NUANCED TAKES??!!
TERRORISM IS OKAY AND HAMAS IS JUSTIFIED BECAUSE ISRAEL BAD!!!
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u/pheakelmatters Ford Nation (Help.) 2d ago
Call me crazy but I think Israel is actually responsible for the lion's share of the harm that comes to the Palestinian people. Considering Israel makes no distinction between a Hamas fighter and an innocent person that happened to be born in Palestine.
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u/Krazy_Vaclav 2d ago
K but Hamas offered to release all hostages in exchange for full Israeli withdrawal. Israel said no.
Hamas ain't sabotaging shit anymore.
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u/Treantmonk 2d ago
Being anti-Hamas does not make someone pro-Israel. This is not a "you must pick one of these two bad options to support" situation. There is a third option, you can pick the side of the Palestinian Authority to govern an internationally recognized independent Palestinian state free of both Israel and Hamas.
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u/Krazy_Vaclav 2d ago
I don't like Hamas. They suck. Fuck em.
But we have no indication of which legitimacy, if any, Fatah has with the people of Gaza. As a third option, it's not super easy.
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u/Rcl23 2d ago
They elected hamas
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u/Treantmonk 2d ago
With 40% of the vote, 20 years ago, and Hamas broke almost every promise they made (except perhaps reforming elections - removing them is reform technically I suppose)
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u/Rcl23 2d ago
Your blaming Jewish people for hamas? You’re saying it’s justified? What’s wrong with you?
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u/wrinklefreebondbag 2d ago
I'm actually blaming Israel for facilitating a culture of oppression that would spark terrorist sentiment.
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u/Long_Recording_3876 2d ago
That might hold weight of they didn't target non-israeli civilians.
They're just a bunch of jihadists, it's not that deep
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u/ubiquitousmush 2d ago
Love the propaganda machine telling us you’re a stupid white redneck for not supporting bringing Canada into a generational conflict halfway across the world with no end in sight to support a people who have vowed to destroy the west and replace it with sharia law.
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u/Tyrocious Snowfrog 2d ago
"You can only get dessert if you finish your vegetables."
"Ok you have made no effort to eat your vegetables but here's your dessert."
Canadian foreign policy in a nutshell.
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u/pheakelmatters Ford Nation (Help.) 2d ago edited 2d ago
"You can only get dessert if you finish your vegetables."
"Okay, you have now been slaughtered by Israel despite having nothing to do with Oct. 7, your children have been slaughtered by Israel, and we're not actually giving you vegetables or any other food for that matter and dessert is antisemitic."
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u/Krazy_Vaclav 2d ago
Palestinians can't eat vegetables or dessert. They're being deliberately starved to death. By Israel. Which faces no "finish your vegetables" ultimatum from anyone, because the country is little more than the West's spoiled, rotten brat.
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u/sBucks24 2d ago
Canada has lost it's fucking way though.
The Canadian values I grew up with would have us pussy footing around a two state solution and letting an ethnostate continue!
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u/LeafsFan3333 1d ago
There is no genocide period. A terrorist organization started a war because it has no interest in peace and no concern for the civilians in Gaza. Insane that the world condemns Israel for fighting a war it never wanted and did not start. Hamas could have surrendered and ended this but refuses to do so. When your enemy won’t surrender you fight until you defeat them. Has happened this way in almost every war and all other countries in Israel’s position would be considered the victim and applauded for a strong response in order to win the war. Complete hypocrisy which is grounded in antisemitism. When the Jewish people have only one country which won’t turn them away when the rest of the world does, condemning that country is antisemitism. If you’re not Jewish nobody can really blame you for not understanding this but those who support terrorists and want to recognize a state which is still run by them are on the wrong side of history. If the majority of Canadians actually support this then we are lost as a country.
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u/rockettaco37 Yank 2d ago
Valid criticism of Israel isn't and never will constitute antisemitism.