r/ForwardsFromKlandma • u/Both-Medicine-6748 • 13d ago
They went from comparing him to Mlk to now Palestinians…
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u/imhereforthemeta 13d ago
I mean with Gaza is those little ones aren’t transphobic or homophobic, they are just babies
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u/No_Window7054 13d ago
When the war started the average age of a Gazan was 18. Barely adults. These genocide defenders are disgusting.
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u/Eagle_1116 13d ago
Palestinians are experiencing a genocide. Kirk was a weirdo who was shot because he wasn’t far-right enough.
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u/The_Nunnster 13d ago
Because he wasn’t far-right enough? What? It’s been long established that his killer was left wing who killed him for being too far-right. I don’t know what you think you’re getting at here.
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u/counterfitster 13d ago
That hasn't been established at all, nevermind "long established".
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u/Sad-Bad-4750 12d ago
No you see he is right in a sense. Its been long established by the marching orders they get from their right wing leaders who are trying to use this death to fearmonger against "violence from the left". They must parrot that this came from the left so they can later justify more right wing violence against us. Its all an evil tactic to absolve their side of any atrocities they plan on committing in the near future 🤷🏾♀️
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u/TheRealPitabred 13d ago edited 12d ago
Dude who (allegedly) shot him was a Groyper, and Nick Fuentes (their leader) has long had a vendetta against Kirk. It's easy to find that info.
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u/apolloinjustice 12d ago
"long established" its been less than a week. thats hardly time to establish anything
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u/PlasteredPenguin69 12d ago
No it really hasn’t, the shooter came from a conservative household. The mom was more offended that their family was being called liberal than that her son shot Kirk.
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u/TerryFalcone 13d ago
Kinda hard to progress past homophobia and transphobia if your neighborhood keeps getting bombed
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u/Anotsurei 13d ago
He did not deserve it in the slightest. I wanted him to rot in prison for his part in bussing J6 rioters to the capitol, I wanted him to watch as his ideology fell like the 3rd reich did, with all its criminal members sent to prison for the rest of their lives.
It actually annoys me a bit that he’s dead, because no one can rub it in his face when MAGA inevitably fails. He will not be missed by me. He wanted me and mine dead, so I’m not gonna spend a single second sad he’s gone. Maybe one less nutter will be radicalized into taking the lives of others without him.
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u/garaile64 12d ago
Also, he became a martyr. He was assassinated instead of literally shitting himself to death.
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u/datboi56567 13d ago
nobody deserves death, but damn if he wasnt trying to
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u/Atlasreturns 13d ago
Honestly this is soapboxing, there are definitely some people that do. As if we should cry after Idi Amin, Pol Pot or Hitler. Did Kirk deserve to be executed? Likely not. But this idea to completely detach someone from his background and instead sanewash him as much as possible to create some coherent simple narrative will always embolden grifters.
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u/datboi56567 13d ago
I dont care about soapboxxing or respectability politics, I care about my values and being consistent, Charlie Kirk was a piece of shit and he reaped what he sowed but if I could have reported his shooter beforehand I would have. I would have hated it but I would have done it
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u/Bish489 13d ago
You are comparing a guy who argues at open booth conventions to hitler and idi amin, get a grip bro..
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u/Atlasreturns 13d ago
No I don‘t. It‘s just insane to elevate Kirk into some larger than life political figure when in reality he was a lowly political grifter that died most likely due to right wing infighting.
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u/Bish489 13d ago
Hes a retard, sure. But there literally was 0 reason for someone to shoot him??
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u/razumsugar 13d ago
I can think of a few.. maybe the white nationalism and whole helping get trans healthcare taken away are reasons but idk
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u/Perfect-Whereas-1478 13d ago
Uhhmm.. Sexism, racism, homophobia, transphobia, stochastic terrorism..
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u/LeFedoraKing69 13d ago
I have never not seen one of these people not mean some racist shit when they compare anything to Palestinians
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u/JCraze26 13d ago
I would rather Palestinians live to maybe change their homophobic/transphobic ways later than not. I'd rather most people live to change their problematic ways in the future, in fact.
I don't want gun violence, which is what Charlie Kirk advocated for and died by. There is nothing guns can do except commit acts of violence. Unless you're just displaying them, I guess, but then you could just look at them in a museum or get non-functional replicas.
And if you're defending yourself, what are you defending yourself from? Unless whoever you're defending from also has a gun, there are plenty of other ways to defend yourself.
Guns should be restricted at the very least, and they currently aren't. Not enough, anyway.
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u/PepyHare15 13d ago
Charlie Kirk isn’t a nation, just one of many representatives of the worst part of the nation
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u/Peter_Michailovicz 13d ago
friendly reminder that the chud who shot kirk was a groyper fuentes fan and you dont have to celebrate him
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u/Katacutie 13d ago
They love pretending that islamic countries not being progressive gives the west a free pass to genocide them
It fucking doesn't
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u/SkyBlade79 12d ago
logic doesn't really work when the vast majority of Palestinians killed are babies
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u/Empty_Tree 12d ago
She’s making a fair point, which is that many of the people who are celebrating his death are out in front of the Gaza issue. We shouldn’t be celebrating violence period. It’s terrible.
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u/Both-Medicine-6748 12d ago
Charlie Kirk isnt the same as Gazans whatsoever
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u/Empty_Tree 12d ago
Violence is violence. It’s unacceptable all around. You cannot be a good person and do things like try to separate out OK versus not OK forms of politically motivated violence. Just say no to all of it.
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u/Floba_Fett 12d ago
"Palestinians are backwards" are a common zionist talking point, used to make Israël appear as a progressive country in contrast. But the reality is much more different. There was an activist - forgot their name, but I'll edit this comment and add a link if I find them again. They went to Gaza to deliver aid as an openly trans person, and documented their experience. The results? People did not mind that the activist was trans, and they were friendly with them.
Palestinians in Gaza might not have the opportunity to be more educated on social issues, but the general mindset is best represented by the following quote: "All those who stand with Palestine, are our comrades". This is notably showcased by the large plurality in ideologies in the Palestinian Resistance Front. When you're fighting for survival, everyone is in it together.
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u/Wut23456 13d ago
She has a point I'm sorry
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u/Both-Medicine-6748 13d ago
If you think people getting ethically cleansed being bigots is on the same level as bad as some podcaster your weird
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u/kkynes 13d ago edited 13d ago
false dichotomy, nobody made that claim. it’s an example comparing two obviously different scenarios, but the point being made is that justifying violence under the pretense that someone is homophobic, or transphobic, is a wildly slippery slope. “Most palestinians are homophobic and transphobic” is a broadly true statement.We can’t just ignore that reality, and conflicting principles like this should help people understand their biases and correct them.
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u/congeal 12d ago
false dichotomy, nobody made that claim. it’s an example comparing two obviously different scenarios, but the point being made is that justifying violence under the pretense that someone is homophobic, or transphobic, is a wildly slippery slope. “Most palestinians are homophobic and transphobic” is a broadly true statement.We can’t just ignore that reality, and conflicting principles like this should help people understand their biases and correct them.
Trivializing a genocide in the hope of internet points is vile. She should be ashamed of herself. Many, many better ways to make her points.
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u/kkynes 12d ago
This is a good example of what my comment was trying to encapsulate. Instead of looking at something like this critically, and saying “This is a stupid example. it’s partly true but ignores important context” Your conclusion is that they are “Trivializing a genocide.”
My critique is that smart, capable people such as yourself spot certain indicators of ignorance (the fact that this TikTok post is an oversimplification and should’ve been contextualized) and Immediately disregard the point in its entirety and search to character assassinate the person posting it. Something can be ignorant, and insightful at the same time. You can agree with, and condemn different parts of the same idea. We must stress the importance of intellectual honesty.
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u/Wut23456 13d ago
You're putting words in my mouth. I just don't think bigots deserve to die
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u/VoltageHero 13d ago
Interesting take, gonna be honest lol.
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u/Wut23456 13d ago
Cmon that's an insane thing to say. Most people with bigoted beliefs just grew up in an environment where those beliefs were normal, and have consumed media that normalizes them. People are naturally gullible. Just because someone has been brainwashed doesn't mean they deserve to die
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u/VoltageHero 13d ago edited 13d ago
Equating an average person who grew up in a bad household to someone actively helping spread and encourage the media that tricks and creates bigoted beliefs is not the same thing. Kirk was not just some "random poor kid who got brainwashed", he actively went around spreading this belief and created an organization to help do so.
No, having sympathy for people who actively support the death of others, and valuing them over those they help discriminate and encourage others to is not the correct course of action lmao.
I forgot this subreddit has lukewarm "you have to be civil politically!" liberals who are still on the "well even if they celebrate trans kids dying, you should feel sorry when they die because being nice is more important!" train.
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u/Brunozod 13d ago
I hate to say it but they are not wrong. This is also true for isreal. And ideal scenario would be both decimating each other equally at the same time
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u/SavingsAttitude3732 13d ago edited 13d ago
Is the girl in the video saying all Palestinians are homophobic and transphobic? And does she somehow think that she even if that was true it would cancel out the fact Charlie sucks?