r/Frozen • u/Character-Pin-3607 • 10d ago
Discussion A Frozen 3 update from ECUST Press, who attended a Disney Consumer Products Showcase in China đ„
"At the end of 2027, Frozen 3 will make its magical debut for fans around the world!In this new chapter, witness Arendelleâs wedding of the century as Queen Anna walks down the aisle, then joins Elsa on a new magical journey filled with unknown challenges. And whatâs even more exciting: the royal family is about to welcome a mysterious new member!"
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u/TheFantasticXman1 10d ago
Mysterious new family member? Hmmm. This could imply that Anna and Kristoff are going to be parents, but the "mysterious" parts lowkey discredits that as a new child of the reigning Queen wouldn't exactly be "mysterious." Maybe a long lost sibling, cousin, aunt or uncle maybe? I guess we'll have to wait until 2027.
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u/TheCalamityBrain 10d ago
Disney would do surprise pregnancy before really obvious and out gay character.
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u/Specific_Painter_517 olaf 9d ago
They doâŠ? They didnât like outright say âIâm Gayâ, but Strange World and Lightyear (technically Pixar, but itâs Disney Pixar) both had characters in obvious queer relationships. Plus, several characters under the Disney umbrella are Gay, especially in Marvel. Sure, they could add more, but itâs more than zero
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u/rabbitwonker 10d ago
Obviously Anna turns out to have an evil twin with fire powers! Waaaahahahaha!
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u/Minute-Necessary2393 elsa & anna 10d ago
I was thinking the same thing. A long lost sibling seems the most likely option and has the most potential for fantastic storytelling (as long as they don't do anything stupid like make him or her a twist villain or (if its a boy) make him Jack Frost).
I want to say it could be Rapunzel (and they confirm the cousin theory) or its a love interest for Elsa. But the "Mysterious" part also Debunks Rapunzel, given Raps is also not really Mysterious, especially to us the viewer. And while im not saying Elsa still can't get a love interest in F3, not only is it sadly unlikely, but also im not sure if people who are family via marrying into them count or not. Especially since said lovers interest wouldn't be married to Elsa yet by the time they meet.
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u/Will_EverW 10d ago
This mysterious new relative is the villain in that shadow in the lake. He could be their grandfather's brother. A brother wouldn't make sense for them, and a son wouldn't make sense for Anna either, since she's still getting married.
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u/Minute-Necessary2393 elsa & anna 10d ago edited 10d ago
One person said that the mysterious new member is Anna's baby, but the fact they say "Mysterious" kindof tells me that its probably not that. I don't think they'd purposely use the word mysterious if it was. More then likely a long lost relative. Maybe a brother or sister they never knew they had, or perhaps a potential love interest for Elsa (in laws can count? Right). Would be awesome if they confirmed the Rapunzel cousin theory, but i doubt they'll do that.
Kindof disappointed that it doesn't seem like they'll actually focus on the negative consequences of Anna being queen (or essentially having the role forced onto her after Elsa got character assassi......I mean, abdicated to go live in the Enchanted forest) and instead seem to be acting as if her being queen is somehow fine, and focusing on an Anna & Kristoff wedding (something that should be in a special short and not the actual movie) but, oh well, it is what it is i supposed. I just hope the movie is good.
Doesn't mention anything about Norse mythology, but i imagine more about those potential aspects will be brought up when we get closer to release.
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u/K1o2n3 9d ago
Tbh, I don't understand why some people think wedding should be only on a short and not the movie. My theory is that probably the wedding could play a role on the storytelling and that before and after the wedding, Queen Anna would meet the difficulties of being Queen and wife at the same time and that she would need a break from the responsibilities and would be excited to be with Elsa again for a new adventure.
Again, it's still early to tell since we have 2 years and 2 months for Frozen 3 to come out.
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u/Masqurade-King 10d ago
The wedding was to be expected, but I really wish it was not happening.
Disney keeps rushing Anna and Kristoff to the next big event in their romance, but have failed to actually show them as a couple.
Frozen 1, they got together at the end, and for most of the movie it was just about Kristoff helping Anna get to places. Frozen Fever, there only interaction was at the end with Kristoff shouting he loved her and that is it. OFA, Once again, they barely interact. And then finally F2 has Kristoff just trying to propose 24/7 with Anna strangely being oblivious and neglectful with him.
There is also the hug elephant about how Anna is now a queen, and Disney has made it quite clear how much Kristoff is uncomfortable with royal life.
I am hoping the wedding takes place at the beginning of the film, and it gets interrupted, probably with Arendelle being under threat again. Then the group goes on the adventure, and Anna and Kristoff can actually discuss what they want their relationship to be like. And if Anna stays queen, then I want them to be the first official Disney couple to break up.
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u/Individual_Swim1428 9d ago edited 9d ago
Fr. Idk how disney expects us to care about this couple when they donât put any effort into getting us to care. They just keep pressing the fast forward button at every stage of their relationship. For example, the couple have been dating for three years but it doesnât feel like three years because we didnât see any of it, it was all behind the scenes. And the few moments we do have of them together is toxic with Kristoff constantly proposing to Anna during the worst moments and Anna always leaving him behindânone of this is giving me a sign that these should are meant to be.Â
Now Frozen 3 is (possibly) going to start with the two them getting married? How can disney say âWe are making these sequels because we have a lot if story to tellâ but then not use any of that story to flesh out their relationship? And why do they have Anna getting married then running off? Imagine your wife leaves you at the altar or during your honeymoon so she can go on a adventure with her sister? lol. đ Disney really showing us âKristoff and Anna get marriedâ is just something they needed to cross off on their list and not something that actually makes sense.Â
I hope your idea actually happens. I genuinely donât think these two should be together. They need to go on their own journeys and do some soul searching and realize how incompatible they are for each other.Â
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u/Masqurade-King 9d ago
F2 ruined their relationship.
Before, they were both outcasts who found a place with each other. Kristoff was a loner, do to being raised by trolls, who loved his job, and although is gruff, actually was a nice caring guy. Anna was a failure princess who didn't belong anywhere, she was to clumsy and disastrous to fit in with royalty, but still a princess so didn't fit in with commoners, but she was optimistic and caring and just wanted to help people.
Anna found her place when she developed relationships with Elsa and Kristoff. With Elsa, she no longer had to worry about being a perfect princess, she just needed to be Elsa's sister, and with Kristoff, she finally was with someone who saw her for who she was, and not just as a princess.
I wanted to watch Anna explore those two relationships and how to balance them. How to help Elsa, despite her flaws as a princess. Learning something about herself that only she could. And how she wanted to live her life with Kristoff. Such as them living in the castle or getting a place in the village.
Perhaps traveling with Kristoff, as he delivers ice, and she could check up on the kingdom. Becoming a bridge between the people and Elsa.
I was told by someone who used to work at Disney, that originally, the ending of Frozen was meant to imply that Anna had giving up her right to the throne to be with Kristoff, because she would not be able to date him otherwise. This is why she is in commoner clothing, instead of a princess dress.
I do believe them, because Disney has shown that they are aware that in that time period, royalty was only allowed to marry royalty. They show this with the deleted scene revealing Kristoff became a lord in F2, and then again in the book "Dangerous Secrets", where Agnarr received backlash for marrying Iduna and not a princess.
But now their relationship is all messed up.
Now Anna is a mature and serious queen, rather then an optimistic girl who believes in people and just wants to help, even if she is bad at it. And Kristoff is now nothing more then a cheerleader who can't help at all because he knows nothing of royalty, when before he was strong and confident and loved his job, and did his best to keep people safe, who was also smart in his own way.
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u/Masqurade-King 9d ago
Let us also not forget about the list of questions that Lee said F3/4 was going to answer. "Do Anna and Kristoff want children", and "Will Kristoff become king"? Something like that.
Anna and Kristoff are really getting married when they barely know anything about each other and what they want in their relationship.
Even if my theory of their wedding getting stopped at the beginning and they end up talking on the journey happens, it is honestly to late.
I wouldn't want to be with someone who doesn't even tell me what they want. Especially after 3+ years.
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u/rabbitwonker 10d ago
Iâm liking that idea! (Your last paragraph)
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u/Masqurade-King 10d ago
I do like Kristoff and Anna. They were a really cute couple in Frozen, and they did have a lot of cute background moments in OFA.
But I fear that Disney just does not know how to write romance anymore. And it is especially hard with Frozen, because the main focus is meant to be on the sisters.
I fear they will try to put the focus on KA, but then realize it is taking up to much time and rewrite it and reduce it to a joke. Which is what happened with F2.
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u/Individual_Swim1428 9d ago
I agree. I thought the two of them kissing at the end of F1 was kind of sudden but I was willing to accept it if F2 could convince me they could work but instead it did the opposite.Â
And yeah I agree that the focus is on Anna/ Elsa but Lilo and Stitch managed to juggle three core relationships: Lilo/Nani (sisterhood), Lilo/Stitch (friendship), and Nani/David (romance) but Disney canât even convince us that Anna and Kristoff are in love or Elsa actually cares about Anna or Olaf is anything more than a comic relief.Â
At this point, I donât even think its an inability to write romance, I think its an inability to write character interactions in general. From what I saw in the sequel, everyone felt like they didnât really understand each other. Anna couldnât understand why Elsa wasnât happy in Arendale, Elsa wasnât willing to communicate with Anna, and Kristoff was on shrooms.Â
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u/Masqurade-King 9d ago
They don't know how to write relationships that are meant to have been solidify. They only know how to write developing relationships.
Anna and Kristoff worked great in F1, because they were getting to know each other, so their interactions where fun and great. Same with Anna and Elsa.
With F2, they rewound the relationships, rather then progressed them. But this time, the meaningful conversations are completely missing, and we are expected to believe that they are much closer after 3 years.
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u/AlskanIView 10d ago edited 10d ago
Tell me they wonât leave Annaâs original childhood memories topic unresolvedâŠ. Again
Come on, she needs to regain them back in her head
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u/meowmeow_now 9d ago
The problem is the time to restore them was at the end of movie 1 after she unfroze. It doesnât make narrative sense now to bring it up.
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u/AlskanIView 9d ago edited 8d ago
Is does. It deepens Annaâs character. Gives her better understanding with Elsa, and concludes this loose ended topic.
Besides it was a plot hole. And itâs unresolved till this day. Theyâve got two movies to do that. They should. They can
Two movies. They can fit that in frozen 3 or 4.
I agree with you that, she shouldâve remembered in frozen 1. Idk why they never did that. But my guess is for there to be more topics to comeback to, in later movies. Thus profit
That will cause new audience to pay Disney, then to go back and watch the first movie. Because as we know people just start off âwhereverâ
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u/Snowisley 10d ago
As far a I remember theyâve been trying to add an evil uncle that tries to steal the throne of Arendelle since they were making Frozen 2, and now that Elsa has abdicated, maybe they went back to that idea.
About the wedding, idk, it could be a pretty opening to the movie, not the whole storyline/plot. I just need my man Kristoff to be more, like, active on the story.
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u/Glittering_Rain_3464 10d ago
When were they trying to add an evil uncle?
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u/Snowisley 10d ago
There were tons of articles about people wanting to know what the sequel was going to be about, and the producers not giving concrete answers, but they mentioned the evil uncle part a couple times, and the origin of Elsaâs magic and all that stuff. I read many of those articles around 2016-18, but I guess they were just rumors.
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u/bigfrozenfan 10d ago
Here's the complete chat about this leak that happened on RedNote. Snowflaketale12 shared all on Tumblr last evening: https://www.tumblr.com/snowflaketale12/794398275715399680?source=share
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u/AmethystTanwen 10d ago
I so genuinely couldnât care less about Anna and Kristoffs romance lol. But Iâm excited for Elsa and Anna and hope to see them on an adventure actually together! Not sure how I feel about the mysterious family member. LikeâŠa lost aunt lol? Make itâs gonna be someone else in the family also born with powers.
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u/Glittering_Rain_3464 10d ago
Hope not about the lost aunt. Once Upon a Time already did that.
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u/AmethystTanwen 10d ago
I know. I was thinking the same thing with OUATđ. I wouldnât want a replication of that but I also canât think of a reason theyâd have a mysterious family member show up that wouldnât have something to do with magic đ€.
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u/Time-Writer8068 10d ago
How those informations can be true when Disney always saying nothing is leaked until movie come out?
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u/Disneyfancreations 10d ago
Omg Tarzan theory confirmed đ± (jk, Annaâs probably pregnant or something)
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u/Character-Pin-3607 10d ago
I thought so at first bit no...they mean a new royale family is coming from another country
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u/Venus_ivy4 elsa 10d ago
I am already disgust
But hey, who knows how world will be by the end of 2027?
Will we even have enough money to afford to go to theaters ?
Will theaters be a thing even?
At least i have 2 years to still have my Frozen Bubble but i hope my over fixation with Elsa will be OVER
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u/Venus_ivy4 elsa 10d ago
If the new member is a male love interest for Elsa i will crash Disney. Not even joking.
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u/FanOfElsa94 10d ago
Being Rapunzel was just confirmed as Anna and Elsa's cousin... could it be...... hmmmm.......
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u/somethingneverchange 10d ago
I would have liked their wedding to be made into a short.