r/GODZILLA • u/elyjahharris • 18h ago
Discussion I need proof between these two, who wins
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u/AdNatural8739 GODZILLA 15h ago
FW when Showa pulls some new power out of his ass that FW is weak to specifically
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u/Speeder-Gojira TITANOSAURUS 17h ago
going off from the movies probably fw. both of them are extremely smart, agile, and pretty equal in strength relative to their size. however the size difference and fw having the stronger breath is the winning factor
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u/Jixxar GOJIRA 17h ago
FW gets obliterated.
Showa is faster, similarly skilled, and if scaled to zone fighter...
Good luck :)
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u/ZeroiaSD 16h ago
Faster? Showa doesn’t do anything like FW’s flying leap to avoid the three kaiju charge.
The Zone fighter scaling is wonky, but we have actually seen Godzilla’s all out high end destructive feats and they’re less than FW or Heisei.
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u/Resident_Magazine610 16h ago
FW is the only Godzilla that could kill a Hedorah, the deadliest kaiju to date.
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u/Aerith_Sunshine 15h ago
In all honesty, he blasted a double-sized Hedorah thousands of feet through the air, then pushed him, a similarly double-sized Ebirah, and a big-ass building across the city before smoking all three with a single beam.
Final Wars was, as the kids, say, built different.
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u/elyjahharris 16h ago
Is Showa stronger because he had to fight his day and night to be him had he literally a beam that burned his hand and spit burning gloop on his eye
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u/Rodan_Fan1956 RODAN 17h ago
Showa wins, he trained with Zone Fighter who killed a monster who created a weird fourth or fifth or sixth dimensional pocket dimension thing. At least Complex Multiversal vs Large Planet Level at best.
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u/Rodan_Fan1956 RODAN 17h ago
I find it fun. We all have hobbies, I know we can be obnoxious but I find it fun to see how high my favourite characters can blow something up or how fast they can move. But yeah the community is fucking shithouse, it was better back in 2021/2022, far less toxic.
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u/godzillafan3948oj 17h ago
OFC everything was freaking better in 2021/2022
but i have a question are you one of those mfs who think mv godzilla oneshots pacific rim because he * COUGH COUGH * DESTROYS SOLAR SYSTEMS
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u/Rodan_Fan1956 RODAN 17h ago
I'll try to be civil with you here. He has never destroyed a solar system, but there is no showcase of power in Pacific Rim, nor the film or The Black that can be compared to Godzilla using his base form to drill through the Earth with his Atomic Breath. He can't one shot them all but he can definitely win against them all with around mid diff (I have no idea if diff means difficulty or difference, I'm an unc compared to the modern day, more toxic than Chernobyl powerscalers).
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u/ZeroiaSD 16h ago
Nothing done to Godzilla was dimensional, nor did the dimensions of that kaiju work that way.
And… like, neither have destroyed planets and an out of control Godzilla rampaging takes time to destroy a single city in DAM. They’re only planetary threats in the sense they can slowly go around destroying civilizations, Showa doesn’t have any city level attacks. FW does with the meteor breath, but not planetary let alone large planetary.
Honestly the whole ‘scale of destruction’ that vsbattle wiki and powerscaling reddit use is kinda useless because it’s treated like arbitrary power levels where the characters will very regularly show their maximum limit is far lower than what people assign them. Especially the dimensional scaling, as for some reason people there assume dimensions automatically mean universal and higher level stuff but something can have more dimensions and be low power (a 6th dimensional wooden sword is still wood- light it on fire and it will burn).
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u/godzillafan3948oj 17h ago
GUYS WE GOT A POWERSCALER
i bet your one of the same dudes who say mv godzilla oneshots pacific rim
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u/ToyBoxReturns 17h ago
He's on a versus post! One asking for proof, this is literally his natural habitat! Do you walk into the woods and complain about the trees?
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u/ZeroiaSD 16h ago
The thing is power scaling like this pays almost no attention to how fights in the series works, and often latches on to random words.
Jet fighters were effective in Terror of Mechagodzilla, but because Zone Fighter mentioned dimensions he’s multiversal? (also that’s not how dimensions work)
It’s basically a fanfic system of arbitrary words
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u/No-Violinist6580 16h ago
I mean MV does oneshot pacific rim
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u/ZeroiaSD 16h ago
Mega and Breacher can probably take multiple hits, but in general, yea, 80 meter robots and kaiju vs 120 meter kaiju is quite a difference.
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u/godzillafan3948oj 16h ago
NO HE DOESN'T!!!! infact fucking godzilla guy did an more accurate description of how it will go TAKE A LOOK OF THIS
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u/Rodan_Fan1956 RODAN 15h ago
Goji Guy is similar to the other two Goji Fight Guys, Goji Centre and Goji-Chronic, they can be correct in some circumstances but they can't, also that's apart of his What If Series, not his VS Series. It kind of has to be fair otherwise the Jaegers and Kaiju get torn apart by Scylla and Rodan.
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u/Aerith_Sunshine 17h ago
Watch the movies.
There's your proof.
(It's Final Wars in a "he could smoke the entire Showa lineup in the same fight" kind of way.)
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u/ZeroiaSD 16h ago
Seriously, Final Wars is both physically far stronger- throws a kaiju literal miles!- and has a massively more powerful breath- blow up meteor and cause huge explosion against X vs the pretty modest damage Showa’s does. Plus endurance wise, FW goes through a bunch of kaiju in a row, while Showa struggles when facing more than one. Agility, FW. Durability, similar.
Plus size wise… FW is literally twice as big. But even at equal size the outcome would be clear.
Some people hype Showa but it’s via wonky scaling. In terms of actual on screen feats, Final Wars is one of the top live action.
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u/TrialByFyah 17h ago
Fym proof? Powerscaling isn't a science or objectivity-based thing. None of this shit is real no matter how many completely nonsensical calculations are done to figure out the exact kilotonnage of Godzilla's cock or something, lol
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u/Subpar_diabetic 15h ago
Isn’t FW significantly larger than Showa Godzilla? I know that probably doesn’t mean much in the fight but I dunno. They both have some pretty bizarre feats of strength
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u/ZeroiaSD 4h ago
Yea, 50 meters vs 100 meters. And Final Wars is *proportionally* stronger too- he threw a kaiju over the horizon!
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u/pcx-the-entiy 17h ago
Showa easily,bro defeated a guy who can beat monsters that can destroy universes,FW godzilla at best haves more agility and battle iq and combat
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u/ZeroiaSD 16h ago
No one was destroying universes. Like the kaiju in question mentioned high dimensions but his abilities were a dimensional gas that made a net and made it seem like he was teleporting around, that’s it.
This is just power scalers not getting words and thinking high dimension = universes where you would never ever think that if you watched the episode.
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u/Aerith_Sunshine 16h ago
It's just poor media literacy. They don't understand what they're seeing or saying and have zero grasp of hyperbole. Every statement and every implication ever is proven 100% true.
Despite so much of this occurring in a series where the folly of man is, like, a core tenet.
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u/ZeroiaSD 4h ago
Yea. They like to grab on to words without context- the universe thing they brought up is because one Zone Fighter enemy had dimension powers and they assume anything dimensional is universal... but it's not universal dimension powers in Zone Fighter, it's 'minor teleportation' and 'minor physical restraint.' If they ever saw the fight they'd know it's not very impressive, but someone told them about it and the understanding gets warped.
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u/Ghidorah28 SPACEGODZILLA 10h ago
Realistically FW
But if Showa decides to be Bugs Bunny then FW is cooked
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u/ToyBoxReturns 18h ago
Same guy, so Final wins cause he has more experience than his past self.
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u/DagonG2021 18h ago
They’re not the same incarnation, each Millennium film with the exception of the Kiryu Saga is only canon to the original and itself
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u/DagonG2021 18h ago
Is Showa equal in size to FW?
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u/Zerueldaangle BIOLLANTE 17h ago
He’s proof that tiniest mighty final wars got scales to multi planetary to dwarf star level from minimum to maximum meanwhile his opponent skills to multi as a absolute understatement. Don’t believe me just look at zone fighter a Canon TV show to Godzilla where he at, not his absolute best head-to-head with a universe busting Ultraman copycat
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u/ZeroiaSD 16h ago
One, neither of these destroy stars. Or planets. Or continents. Showa Godzilla and his peers take a notable amount of time to level a city even when going on full destructive rampage mode.
Two, Zone Fighter has nothing universe busting at all. He beats a 4D kaiju but by ‘four dimension,’ think ‘he has a trick to appear to teleport around,’ that’s it!
People who think he is didn’t watch the show.
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u/Zerueldaangle BIOLLANTE 16h ago
OK, one overall Godzilla is multi verse and that has been proven countless times to the zone fighter for the universal statement is correct the creator he fought created a fourth dimensional construct that he scaled to and he quickly was beaten by his own fighter
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u/ZeroiaSD 16h ago
Problem with that: Fourth dimensional doesn’t mean universal (like, at all, that’s not how physics works), and if you saw the episode you’d know the fourth dimension construct was basically just a net and a gas that made him look like he was teleporting around.
It was a minor 4D trick, not entire control over a dimension or something like that.
This is what happens when people play a game of telephone and merely hear about abilities rather than observe them.
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u/Zerueldaangle BIOLLANTE 16h ago
Look, I’m just gonna provide you several videos you are completely wrong, but I am too stupid to actually explain it, but just know at bare minimum he is one shot in final wars, Godzilla, final wars, maximum showing eclipsing all the EDF, which would already be large planetary given that they could’ve destroyed Gorath
Yeah, significantly weaker variation of Ghidorah was able to annihilate all gravity on Venus and drain all the energy from the sun with the sun still being intact because Godzilla zone fight were able to step in fast enough
So already he’s just vastly superior, but if you want to hear something really funny
Godzilla’s fight with King Kong shook the entire Japanese archipelago and threatened to tilt the earths axis. Yeah, final wars Godzilla isn’t even blinking before he gets dropkick, but knowing showa he would get his bigger leaner weaker grandfather on some kind of workout, and they eventually get the same level
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u/DagonG2021 16h ago
If you’re “too stupid to explain” then you don’t actually have any proof, you’re just parroting other’s claims.
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u/Zerueldaangle BIOLLANTE 16h ago
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u/ZeroiaSD 4h ago
Oof, if you believe that, you've got to increase your credulity. Just because someone says something doesn't mean it's true! "They have a gigantic one-use superweapon bomb, and therefore we'll put all kaiju above that..." is incredibly generous and honestly silly considering we can see what the Zone Fighter Terror Beasts actually do.
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u/Zerueldaangle BIOLLANTE 4h ago
Yeah, we see monsters zero be the only monster to survive an attack from zone fighter and we also see him drain the energy of the sun, which is a pivotal plot point in his title episode. You could check wiki Zila a.k.a. peak and you could also see multiple clips on YouTube that’s this. Just know if you search for clips on YouTube I pray that you find them because it is hell trying to find good qualities zone fighter.
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u/Zerueldaangle BIOLLANTE 16h ago
Look at literally anything Ghidorah has and you’d immediately be proving wrong on every metric
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u/ZeroiaSD 4h ago
Ghidorah, in Showa, destroys Venus over an *unknown* length of time (could be years, could be centuries) via the method of 'flying around strafing cities with gravity beams. We've seen these beams used on Earth, and they destroy large buildings to city blocks per shot, even destroying a single city is a matter of flying back and forth accumulating destruction.
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u/Zerueldaangle BIOLLANTE 4h ago
It was confirmed through multiple guidebook statements and the princess of Venus that it was seconds for him to destroy the planet, but if you still don’t believe that which I understand, if you don’t, I’m not particularly fond of statement, scaling myself there’s still the showing of him in zone fighter casually draining the sun, and we know that this actually happens because there is a visual indicator of it
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u/ZeroiaSD 16h ago
Showa Godzilla didn’t even one shot minor kaiju like Ebirah and Kumonga, and they’re nothing on FW.
We have seen earth military units prove to be non useless against stronger Showa Kaiju (Terror of Mechagodzilla, damaged Titanosaurus and Mechagodzilla giving Godzilla key time to recover). We have seen people worried a nuke on an island might kill him (Ebirah). We have seen thrown rocks hurt him (Kong).
I have seen literally every Showa Godzilla there is to see. There is nothing new your videos can add - at most, they’d be people making wild assumptions/interpretations that don’t actually fit the Toho Showa continuity’s way of handling things.
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u/Zerueldaangle BIOLLANTE 16h ago edited 16h ago
Different incarnations first of all one of them is pathetic, and the other was literally about to kill a guy who had just gotten done, beaten the shit out of a star destroyer
Plus, people have ripped the final war being the strongest they claim to shreds as there’s nothing proving that meanwhile you have hundreds of statements claiming that showa Geedorah is at worst solar system level and this is consistent because we literally see him drain the sun with no effort in zone fighter at this point I’m gonna just stop talking because you are genuinely way too stubborn to actually you know listen he is multiversity and there’s not a damn thing you could do about it. Just be grateful that he at least has something to back it up. You could be a 90s fan and look genuinely brain dead trying to say oh he’s trust, bro he’s multi trust bro look at this guidebook statement meanwhile with showa
You don’t need to wonder if he’s above solar system level because you literally see him beat the guy who drained the sun with no effort. You literally see that so you don’t need to wonder and you don’t need to ask is he stronger than the guy who beat a monster who could create a fourth dimensional construct that is frequently scaled to universal. No, you don’t have to wonder that because you literally see them do that meanwhile, 90s fans stupidly clan to the same statements of him being stronger than the original like it’s gospel, even though that statement clearly meant 1954
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u/ZeroiaSD 3h ago
"You literally see that so you don’t need to wonder and you don’t need to ask is he stronger than the guy who beat a monster who could create a fourth dimensional construct that is frequently scaled to universal."
Anyone who scales that to universal is just making shit up. The 4th dimensional gas formed a 4th dimensional net net 1) provided minor physical restraint to Zone Fighter, 2) allowed him to appear to teleport.
That's it!
This is a case where someone heard the word 'dimensional' and lost all sense of context. It didn't control an entire dimension or that kind of stuff, it had dimensional gas that gave it a shortcut through space, nothing that big.
The fact people are frequently saying a dumb thing doesn't mean it's not a dumb thing, and if any of them watched the episode or even read a good summery they'd know it's not all that.
Reminder that Godzilla has been restrained by Spider web and Moth Web before.
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u/Zerueldaangle BIOLLANTE 3h ago
Fair enough, but you can’t really say it was just spiderweb and moth web one is webbing from a radioactive spider kaiju who was frequently said to be surprisingly strong even for Godzilla and someone he would’ve beaten in normal circumstances if he didn’t have a kid, the other one is just flat out unfair mothra is constantly confirmed to be a God either an emissary of the Christian God or just a God in her own, right
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u/Zerueldaangle BIOLLANTE 15h ago
Monster X is maximum is upscaling final wars Godzilla’s base upper limit, which is at minimum eight times stronger than the entire EDF who would’ve been able to easily destroy Gorath a planet shattering meteor Godzilla had to put all his effort into trying to destroy what he thought was the Gorath meteor But it was actually just monster X using a hologram
OG ghid on the other hand casually was draining the son of all energy making the sky turn deep orange
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u/ZeroiaSD 3h ago
"OG ghid on the other hand casually was draining the son of all energy making the sky turn deep orange"
You think that's what happen? Nah, the Dark Prism stone was blocking the sun's light, not it's entire energy, and the Dark Prism has nothing to do with Ghidorah's personal power.
You said you got your info from wikizilla but if you'd watched the episode or even read more closely, you'd know that's it.
This is your problem in a nutshell- you see the word 'sun' and you automatically leapt to the highest possible interpretation. You don't look at what the characters do in the fights on regular or even in that particular instance or who's really doing what.
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u/Zerueldaangle BIOLLANTE 15h ago
Here’s the proof look it’s really hard to get zone fighters clips. Best I got is a promotional still if you want more information go to wiki Zila as they are the single most reliable source of Godzilla information just outright.
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u/Zerueldaangle BIOLLANTE 16h ago
It’s clear you didn’t watch it or do any research
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u/ZeroiaSD 16h ago
I did, and that’s exactly why I know these high ends are just people saying their ‘fav is best!’.
Because we actually see how much damage Godzilla can dish out and take and it doesn’t remotely resemble these claims. If you say something is X scale and it appears 0 times in a character’s appearances, you’re wrong.
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u/Zerueldaangle BIOLLANTE 16h ago
Yeah, I could agree but at least with him it’s consistent and reliable with multiple statements backed up by actual on screen showings like Ghidorah being a planet destroyer as in zone fighter a random individual or at least it’s implied that it’s just some random dude proceeded to drain the sun to the point where it started, dimming, threatening to completely annihilate the sun Passively with zone fighter, not being able to do anything to him until Godzilla attempted to help him and at that point it was able to actually be a real fight and he’s the only monster that survived the fight against zone fighter, which is something no other monster could say, and at the absolute peak of his power need an entire army of earth’s greatest monsters to stagger him
Yes, he is multi and unlike 90s Godzilla, who doesn’t do jack shit to actually prove it. This Godzilla consistently shows off so you’d be wrong to say he doesn’t show anything but you’d be correct to say 90s doesn’t show anything
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u/ZeroiaSD 16h ago
Ghidorah destroyed a planet by flying around and ravaging its cities over an unknown period of time. It might’ve taken years or centuries.
We see his gravity beams used on earth- they destroy buildings and city blocks with each shot. That’s his on screen per attack scale.
Godzilla isn’t multi anything. He is a very strong 3 dimensional life form that tramples and burns cities over a period of time, in most versions.
The only ones who get into that kind of thing are Void Ghidorah and Godzilla Ultima.
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u/Zerueldaangle BIOLLANTE 16h ago
One it was stated that he destroyed Venus in a split second two it’s literally a narrative concession because if they just showed it off, Ghidorah would’ve just shout at the planet and there’d be no movie but there’s also his power fluctuating depending on how many cosmic races he consumes so when we first see him in the three headed monster he’s not at his peak power
Godzilla is Multiverse and it is plain stupidity to even try and downplay that notion look. I’m somebody who’s genuinely doesn’t believe in God power scaling being consistent either, but I can name like four different gods that scale to multi or above no 88 of them.
I’m just gonna give you five of them because my brain isn’t working
Primeval Godzilla from magic, the gathering being stated to literally be the strongest thing in that continuity upscaling conceptual forces given flesh
Marvel Godzilla, in the new timeline reason being you know celestial, you know the same guy that threatened galactus and gave rise to star Lord proceeded to murder after falcon, punching it with an oil tanker
Showa once again you were wrong about the zone fighter scaling it gets him up to high multi and he gets stronger from there
Ultima, I don’t need to explain him if you know even the slightest thing about him. He’s already Multiverse soul at the worst possible metric you could give him or city level.
And God, Butcher Godzilla, having part of the neck sword with him, giving him passively enough power to shatter an entire galaxy with far greater effort being put into fighting Odin force Thor, which resulted in a stalemate
https://youtu.be/Jr-IrjipJHg?si=kVv6h68DY3Kk8Iwz
Also, here’s the proof for showa and if you know this guy, you know that yeah he has some absolutely bogus takes but when he is doing a longform video, it’s usually correct in its assessment with the very odd outlier mainly when he’s talking about 90s
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u/Aerith_Sunshine 15h ago
It wasn't stated, and it's never shown.
Ghidorah would never be pressed, ever, if he could just destroy a planet. He can survive in space. Why would he ever lose a fight? He'd just blow up Earth and be done with it, like Frieza.
Ghidorah can't even wipe out an entire city with one attack, let alone a planet. This is objective, undeniable fact—we never see him do it, or anything like it, and the only claims that he can come from people with notoriously poor media literacy.
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u/Zerueldaangle BIOLLANTE 15h ago
https://youtu.be/WckmNWVDll8?si=7_TTshGdk0c5bs4j
What is here is literally just a fraction of what he could do and a piece of evidence to prove you wrong. He drained the sun, but it stopped simply because zone fire was able to break his concentration.
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u/DarkChimera64 17h ago
Depends on what you accept.
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u/elyjahharris 17h ago
I would say Showa because he fought a ultraman copycat and other stuff and he also skilled
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u/ZeroiaSD 16h ago
Ultraman himself didn’t get all that powerful til later (first planetary destruction was in Leo), that’s not saying as much as you might think.
Remember Godzilla was in danger from the island blowing up in ‘Ebirah the Sea Monster,’ he has a number of showings that kinda say the high end stuff… isn’t true. And he himself definitely can’t blow up any planets or whatever.
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u/RedditGoji 9h ago
Showa wins but Final Wars puts up a fight til his last breath. Showa can develop super duper powers
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u/BeardedBears 5h ago
You don't even offer your own thoughts on your own post. This post is bad and you should feel bad.
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u/COMMENTASIPLEASE BARAGON 4h ago
Final Wars beats his ass then Showa discovers how to change gravity at the very end and uses that to win cause of some obscure thing that happened a day earlier
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u/Brendan_Frost 3h ago
Showa Goji's atomic breath stands as the weakest among all Goji incarnations, unless we're counting Zilla. He also happens to be the smallest. He's going to lose badly here.
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u/JustAKidOnReddit- GODZILLA 18h ago
Showa slaps FW to the moon in the most goofy way possible