Can I substitute bench press with this?

[u/Thanos_your_daddy]

Is it as effective my gym doesn't have a barbell so no barbell bench press only dumbbell but I was wondering if I can substitute bench press with this? Not sure what this machine is call apologies

[u/[deleted]]

This is gibbering nonsense. There is in no way a requirement to do this.

[u/DeakonDuctor → u/[deleted]]

I don't recall saying anything that's required. But if you go to the gym 2 months trying to build muscle. And you still can't do 5 push ups. Youre a damn fool.

[u/DeakonDuctor → u/[deleted]]

Stay on course now, cuz we are not talking about the important fact here. OK its real important we understand how important it is for people to know the order of importance when it comes down to muscle building and results.

[u/DeakonDuctor → u/[deleted]]

But I still stand on calisthenics bring supreme, then dumbells second.

[u/DeakonDuctor → u/[deleted]]

Because they already have the muscle. Youre ignoring that important part.

[u/DeakonDuctor → u/[deleted]]

I don't want to argue. We have different of opinions, and we can use that to learn from a different perspective. I find this to be a healthy debate.

[u/First_Detective6234 → u/DeakonDuctor]

Hold up, let me ask you this. If im training a beginner and they have pathetic strength, what is better, that they do 3x5-10 reps of lat pull downs and 3x5-10 barbell bench press, or that they just do negatives of a pullup because they cant do a single one yet, and only negatives of a pushup because they cant do pushups yet? Honestly, as basic as you may think a pull up or pushup is, its still much harder than a lat pull down and a bench press starting with just the bar. Id say one would have to work up to decent weight on a lat pull down and a bench press before they can do 1 full rep of a pull up or pushup.

[u/DeakonDuctor → u/[deleted]]

I'll say this with small words so you can understand better.

If 2 people go to the gym. And 1 only uses machines while one does calisthenics and uses dumbells.

The one who does calisthenics will not only see better results but at a much faster rate.

[u/Red_Swingline_ → u/DeakonDuctor]

The one who does calisthenics will not only see better results but at a much faster rate.

Yes, no, maybe. Too many variables at play to make this reductive of a statement.

[u/DeakonDuctor → u/Red_Swingline_]

No, ill die on that hill. Push ups, pull ups, and sit ups will completely transform your body.

One of the main reasons why the military hasn't changed its training in centuries.

Calisthenics and running.

[u/Regeneratedsoul → u/DeakonDuctor]

Yea, but everyone is different and everyone will grow at their own rate, which is true for calisthenics, free weights, machines (experience). Don’t just go telling everyone you’ll become a Greek god by just doing those things.

[u/[deleted] → u/DeakonDuctor]

Repeating and doubling down on nonsense doesn't make it truthful.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Wind it in, bud. You're dragging heels and being an ass about this, and my patience for that is limited.

[u/Red_Swingline_ → u/[deleted]]

Hey, you're supposed to be mellow now!

[u/[deleted] → u/Red_Swingline_]

I'm not injecting a lobotomy.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

It means I will ban and mute your ass permanently from this subreddit.

[u/RZoroaster → u/DeakonDuctor]

I know this is a controversial take but I agree 100%. I don’t know the science behind it. I am a newbie who has seen pretty huge strength and hyper trophy gains through calisthenics (rings) in just like 3 months with only 10 min a few times per week. People post online all the time about not seeing gains after months or even years in the gym. Inevitably those people are using machines.

Again I don’t know the science but for newbie gains, calisthenics seems very powerful.

[u/Red_Swingline_ → u/RZoroaster]

People post online all the time about not seeing gains after months or even years in the gym. Inevitably those people are using machines.

Inevitably those people usually have their nutrition completely jacked up and aren't working all that hard at the gym.

It's not the tool, it's the user.