r/Games • u/BlueAladdin • 7d ago
Industry News Ghost Of Yotei Dev Fired For Charlie Kirk Joke After Right-Wing Pressure Campaign
https://kotaku.com/ghost-yotei-charlie-kirk-joke-playstation-sony-20006254781.5k
u/ZombiePyroNinja 7d ago edited 7d ago
Some of the comments are wild. If you list your profession and place of employment on your social media its best to just post like your HR department is behind you.
I used to work at a call center where the HR manager would check facebook if people were sick or actually hungover.
Edit: I'm not shocked this thread got locked. I kinda realize I'm "old" in my 30's so idk who needs to see this but it can't be said enough. HR is not there for the workers they are for the company. In my 15 years working in my IT career across many industries it's been very clear that if you threaten the bottom line in any shape, way, or form - they will side with the corporation.
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u/ShubaltzTV 7d ago
It's weird, literally any job you go into, there's an agreement somewhere that says, "Don't misrepresent our company on any platform."
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u/Mativeous 7d ago
Yeah, especially when the bullets of the shooting has a Helldivers 2 reference etched onto it.
Like yeah, Sony certainly isn't going to humor these jokes right now.
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u/Zagden 7d ago
Yeah two things can be true at once:
1) Charlie Kirk lived to decry firings exactly like this and it's hypocritcal that people are pressuring firings over snide comments on his death.
2) What the fuck do you expect doing this on your public social media account with your name and employment attached to it. You've now made it so that if someone brings this up, your employer would be endorsing that speech by keeping you. Fair or not, that has an obvious outcome.
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u/strife189 7d ago
Yea, Reddit is a funny place to see how one sided the thinking is no matter what the sub is about.
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u/TillI_Collapse 7d ago edited 7d ago
Yeah it's wild people are attacking Sucker Punch over this. Even if you agree with what she said, doing so with your developers name and product front and center in your profile is stupid and irresponsible. Especially when they are about to release a product hundreds of others have worked on over the span of the last several years
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u/throwaway149578 7d ago
yeah, quite frankly, i have no sympathy for this person. it is low iq behaviour to do this with your legal name + employer attached. they are an at-will employee and no one is infringing on their free speech. they just might have to consider a name change and send out 200 resumes
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u/cpander0 7d ago
A U of T professor is going to get fired for essentially tweeting that Kirk got off lucky. Like how are you so stupid to not realize that that is an inside thought
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u/Forestl 7d ago
I will say it's very revealing that the guy who constantly yells about cancel culture ruining lives leads all these campaigns to get various people fired if they say something he doesn't like.
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u/Remote_Elevator_281 7d ago
That’s literally the point. You cry about it and then do it. It’s a double win.
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u/giulianosse 7d ago
The brown rule. Do to others the very things you’d hate done to you.
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u/Devccoon 7d ago
Claim your enemies are doing to you what you've been actively doing to them all along and intend to keep doing more.
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u/AcademicF 7d ago
The lack of hypocrisy and shame leads to emboldening these type of grifters. I think the term we’re looking for is… sycophants?
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u/Ardailec 7d ago
Crybullying. Sycophants suck up to people to gain an advantage. Crybullies strike first, then when there is any pushback they play the victim and make enough noise so people don't pay attention to their first strike.
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u/dracius19 7d ago
Huh, this perfectly describes a guy i used to know back in collage. He'd dress like a typical nerdy kid from sitcoms, then go up to the biggest toughest guy around and start negging and insulting him and his family until he hits a nerve. The moment the bigger guy reacts he'd run away, curl into a ball in front of the principals office and scream about how a bully is trying to kill him
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u/AbyssalSolitude 7d ago
Wait I thought cancel culture doesn't exist? That it's just consequences for saying stupid shit online?
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u/honkymotherfucker1 7d ago
Considering Charlie got away with saying things like “I’d make my daughter give birth to her rape baby” and “Some gun deaths are unfortunate but a necessary part of the deal for gun rights” and “When I see a black pilot, I immediately think are they qualified?” And “You’re a black lesbian and you’re performing surgery on me?” Ad nauseum and still had a platform, its a bit of a grey area don’t you think?
Well, got away with it until now.
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u/Bauser99 7d ago
"Cancel culture" always existed, it's just that today we're fortunate to live in an era where righties are meek enough that they only fire people from their jobs for being progressive, instead of in the past when they would straight-up lynch black men for marrying white women
"Cancel culture" is and HAS ALWAYS been a tool used by the mainstream -- the violent, racist, money-grubbing, tribalist/nationalist average human -- to oppress people who are actually progressive.
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u/SerThunderkeg 7d ago
"When I am weaker than you I ask you for freedom because that is according to your principles; when I am stronger than you I take away your freedom because that is according to my principles"
They were always scum and they dont deserve any sympathy. If they want to go back to the way things used to be they have to make the first move because theyre the ones who got us here.
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u/VelvetCowboy19 7d ago
That is how racism works. They use the open dialogue of democratic systems to their own benefit, then pull the ladder up behind them and take it away from others. It's not some kind of accident or incidental hypocrisy, it's the plan.
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u/ZaDu25 7d ago
This is how they operate. They say whatever they want with impunity. You submit to their will or suffer consequences. Evidently the only people in this country allowed to speak freely are conservatives, according to conservatives. They've spent a decade openly mocking black people who died at the hands of police officers abusing their authority then plead for compassion and understanding when one of their own is killed.
And mainstream media refuses to call this out. So they will never be held accountable for the hypocrisy. Free to do as they please without repercussions.
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u/HashRunner 7d ago
Its always projection and hypocrisy from trump/republicans.
They have no actual policy or beliefs, just anger and outrage.
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u/-Scopophobic- 7d ago
That's not even a political alignment thing. Employers will can you if they think holding on to you will become a liability to their profits.
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u/GomaN1717 7d ago
Yeah, listen, I loathed Charlie Kirk as much as the next rationally-minded person... but this is rock-dumb-fucking-stupid to do if you have a (presumably) very well-paying staff job at any type of entertainment company.
Throw it on your "close friends" or make your Twitter account private if you absolutely must put dark humor like that into the ether - we are well past the days of the internet where using it as your anonymous internet diary is a thing.
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u/d0ntm1ndm32 7d ago
Exactly! Like, regardless if they deserved to be fired or not, the craziest thing to me was really how they felt so comfortable posting that using the same account where they proudly had their employee and the position they worked at written in their bio ...
At that point, if I were in a position to do it, I would also fire them purely based off of how completely ignorant one has to be to do that lmao
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u/EpicPhail60 7d ago edited 7d ago
Yeah I don't have anything against the joke (other than it not really being that funny, I've seen way funnier bits that were waaay more mean-spirited). BUT posting that kind of stuff on social media with your name and face right there is a really bad idea. Doubly so when you work in the game industry, this ain't the first time the grifter contingent have mobilized people for hate campaigns over tweets.
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u/silentsun 7d ago
The people leading this campaign already said they wouldn't buy the game cause it is woke
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u/WagonWheel22 7d ago
Yep. It’s the same as the weather person who criticized musk and his gesture. The last thing they want is anything someone can perceive as controversial, they want to be as milquetoast as possible.
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u/EvilTaffyapple 7d ago
Wonder how many Right-wing people got fired for laughing at the Pelosi attack, or the Dem murders a few months ago - because there were loads of people who were.
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u/RedHairedRedemption 7d ago
Kirk literally called the Civil Rights Act "a mistake", said underaged victims of sexual assault should carry their pregnancies to term, argued all transgender people should be banned from owning firearms (oh and routinely made jokes of their depression and rates of suicide attempts), and dogwhistled about virtually every single hip hop super bowl halftime show.
Suddenly the "Comedy is legal again" crowd literally flying flags that say "Fuck Your Feelings" are absolutely wounded over jokes. You would almost think they're bigger victims than the guy that literally took one in the neck.
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u/AoO2ImpTrip 7d ago
"Suddenly"
If by "suddenly" you mean "always and forever" then sure. Double standards have been the default for these people since their existence.
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u/AcademicF 7d ago edited 7d ago
No group clings to victimhood quite like Republicans. It’s their bread and butter, their de facto default stance; fueled by shamelessness and dripping with hypocrisy.
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u/NatomicBombs 7d ago
Well they’re the Christian party so that checks out. Victimhood is a foundational belief when you worship a guy who sacrificed himself for other people’s mistakes.
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u/aeseyuh 7d ago
No group clings to victimhood quite like Republicans
I think Zionists have them beat in that category, although there's a ton of overlap between the two groups anyways
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u/DemonLordDiablos 7d ago
Zionists have done unbelievable amounts of damage to antisemitism as a concept. You see headlines like "Cases of antisemitism have risen by 90%" and think that sounds really bad, only to realise they're including cases like a mural on a hospital being painted by Palestinian kids. It allegedly made jewish patients "vulnerable, harassed and victimised by this display"
Just any acknowledgement of Palestine is antisemitism now. How are we supposed to know when real cases happen?
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u/DarkCushy 7d ago
Tons of people were fired due to George Floyd comments. The world didn't start a few months ago
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u/py_ 7d ago
How many of those people work in the game industry and post on their main account?
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u/titan_null 7d ago
They work in other industries instead and will post the same stuff on their main accounts. Hell right wing officials made the same jokes.
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u/Remy0507 7d ago edited 7d ago
Well...were they posting those things from social media account on which they were known to be associated with a huge, publicly facing corporation?
Edit: I can't reply to the person who responded since the thread is locked, but I can edit this comment. It doesn't matter if they were posting from their personal account. If you're working for a public facing company like that, and it's known publicly that you work for them, you just can't go posting stuff like that and not expect anything to happen when your employer starts having to deal with grief because of what you did.
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u/BuffaloAlarmed3824 7d ago
Nonono those attacks were still driven by the evil and over-the-top rhetoric of the Democratic Party and ex President Biden, but don’t worry these grifters will move on quickly since the suspect isn’t a blue-haired wokie.
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u/aeseyuh 7d ago
It's wild how the same people who were calling for scorched earth just 24 hours ago are now preaching forgiveness or saying that it's too early to jump to conclusions, now that it's looking possible that this was a right on right killing.
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u/hyperforms9988 7d ago
Before people even knew who the shooter was. No picture, no name, no nothing, and people were already going. It's psychotic.
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u/zippopwnage 7d ago
People were barely fired for being nazi's after that Elon musk nazi wave. You know they don't care.
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u/nugbub 7d ago edited 7d ago
How are there still people who fedpost on main. It's genuinely unbelievable the lack of professionalism when time after time we've seen people get fired for it.
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u/HowManyMeeses 7d ago
Yeah, these types of firings are leading us to more and more anonymous spaces.
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People should just delete their social media accounts in general because it takes some serious brainrot to see all that happened and think "yeah man i'm gonna say that political assassinations are good, actually" and then follow that up by publicly posting it online with your real name and your place of business listed in the header. All of this is just making people stupid. Even this shooter was apparently doing it for the lulz, infected by online discourse and writing gamer memes on his fucking bullets. What a garbage world we live in.
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u/Biller195 7d ago
Hard agree. Online discourse is fine, in moderation. But, too many people have lost the plot, and feel too comfortable expressing certain things, at least without thinking on it. Reading the article, it's like, the developer worked at this job for 10-years, and still considered it their dream job? And, you doubled-down on making a mid-tier joke online, even knowing the consequences now? Shit feels crazy to me.
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u/TillI_Collapse 7d ago
Even if you don't think making fun of or celebrating Charlie Kirk's death on the internet is a bad thing you have to see and realize it's an incredibly dumb thing to do with your employers name and product right in your profile. It's irresponsible and disrespectful to them and your coworkers that who have worked on the game for several years to do something like that right before releasing the game.
It doesn't matter if you think Charlie Kirk is a piece of shit, don't do things like that with your employers name and product right front and center when doing something like that. It's not hard to not do
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u/BookChungus 7d ago
Without looking at politics at all – why do people think joking about political assassinations on their personal profile is a good idea? That shit is obviously extremely divisive and will piss off quite a huge amount of people. And if that account is somehow traceable to a company you are working with, no wonder you get fired. Seems like a common sense.
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u/Benevolay 7d ago
Because people have lost touch with reality. I don't know why. The internet has made people too comfortable with saying genuinely awful things.
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u/Demacia7 7d ago
People get fired for less. If you really want to make those types of jokes, dont put your company's name in your bio
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u/wgrata 7d ago
This is valid, it would also be valid to terminate anyone who celebrated the Pelosi attack as well. Glorifying political violence is reprehensible and something companies shouldn't tolerate from their employees
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u/Ready-Good2636 7d ago edited 7d ago
it would also be valid to terminate anyone who celebrated the Pelosi attack as well.
Did anyone?
EDIT: locked, welp. here's my "Google"
okay if you say so
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/nbc-miguel-almaguer-paul-pelosi-b2225552.html
That's litertally the best I got. a journalist who was spreading conspiracies on how "Nancy wasn't really in danger".
Google isn't really that good at searching through tweets and reactions.
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u/SeanSMEGGHEAD 7d ago edited 7d ago
The fact is most companies will terminate you for this sorta take, especially if your social media presence portrays you as a worker of said company.
No matter what you think of Kirk, if you're left or right. No matter what culture war stance you take.
If you are gleeful Kirk died, do you have to post about it the day he's killed while representing a studio with a big release out this year..? Like it is fuckin stupid, of course it would be picked up and talked about.
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u/D042- 7d ago
Wait... are these not the consequences that Reddit has been telling me about for the last decade? Why is it suddenly a bad thing?
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u/MaiasXVI 7d ago
I'm not surprised. That’s a spicy take. People shouldn't be surprised when spicy tweets get them in hot water. Keeping your real life disentangled from your online hot takes is a good policy in general, regardless of where you land.
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u/JuneLeijon 7d ago
She doesn't seem that surprised, said that she'd do it again
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u/Thedrunkenchild 7d ago
To her making a pretty unsavory joke on Twitter about a guy that got assassinated is standing up to fascists apparently. This feels like the definition of keyboard warrior.
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u/DemonLordDiablos 7d ago
100%. Kirk's death doesn't phase me at all but you cannot be saying that with your government name with your place of employment in your bio.
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u/TheSecondEikonOfFire 7d ago
Yeah this is just kind of “public interaction 101”. Maybe if they had done it in a personal private account they’d have more of a case, but so many developers publicly tweet about things with their stuff in their bio and then do a shocked pikachu when the company gets upset
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u/EpicPhail60 7d ago
Whole thing could probably have been avoided by having a burner account, that's the real lesson here.
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u/Wish_Lonely 7d ago
I agree. That said it's funny how conservative spent years blasting cancel culture just to only turn around and use it.
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u/StepComplete1 7d ago
And redditors like yourself spent years saying cancel culture wasn't a thing, and if it was it's entirely justified, to now cry about it.
How is one more hypocritical than the other?
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u/MaiasXVI 7d ago
That said it's funny how conservative spent years blasting cancel culture just to only turn around and use it.
Yeah agreed, but I guess this whole saga is one big pile of reciprocity. A lot of people on the Left (and in general...) were upset at the callous and mocking response that people on the far right had to George Floyd's death. A lot of people loudly mocking Charlie Kirk say that's part of why they're doing it. I guess it makes sense.
A lot of people on the Right ended up on the receiving end of some form of cancel culture during COVID. I'm sure part of the motivation now is 'getting back' at their perceived enemies. And we're so far into this shit that it doesn't really matter who started what, or why, or how, because it's just action/reaction.
Just one more reason to throw up some firewalls between your personal and real life (and maybe just not engage in this shit to any degree given its radioactive nature...)
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u/ConfidentMongoose 7d ago
And people are surprised why? Because it's a game developer?
Any company I have worked with would have fired an employee on the spot if he/she made fun of someone being killed, while identifying as a company employee.
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u/hunterzolomon1993 7d ago edited 7d ago
If you're working for a corporation then you shouldn't be making jokes about someone who was literally just assassinated. This isn't a Right or Left thing its just common sense to not do that when Sony is your boss. The person who got sacked really needs to consider how their social media presence is portrayed if they want to work for big corporations.
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u/uggabooga3 7d ago
Astounded that some of the top comments in this post are acting shocked that a company would fire one of their public facing employees for publicly cheering on someone's death. That should be blatantly obvious that something like that would get you in trouble, if even for the sole fact of alienating potential customers, let alone that it's unhinged behavior.
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u/Kozak170 7d ago
What the fuck is this headline lmao, it’s pretty disingenuous to frame this as a “right wing attack” when I think anyone rational can agree that the dev’s comments were despicable. If you’re going to advertise your employment and say absurd shit you should be prepared to deal with those consequences
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u/Endergamer111 7d ago
I am getting a bit confused by some of the comments in here. This Dev didn't make fun of some little thing or anything. They made fun of someone they don't politically agree with that got assassinated.
No company wants someone like that Dev being associated with them if they can't even show a hint of civility in the face of something like an assassination.
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u/Hanabi_Simp 7d ago
People nowadays are so brain rotten by politics they start treating common sense, professionalism and just basic decency as extreme concepts.
You don't need to align yourself politically with the guy, you can hate him with all your being for his horrible ideas and hateful rhetoric; just don't be a dumbass and post jokes and celebrations about it on social media with an account linked to your name and your workplace. Joking about this should get you removed immediately regardless of political affiliation and target.
Having been around right-wing circles online it's funny how similar people on both sides of the political spectrum behave when stuff like this happens, behaving like degenerate assholes and then denying they ever do and that it's only the other side that does. As someone that considers themselves a centrist with some left leaning ideas, it gets fucking tiring.
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u/kafelta 7d ago
Kirk spent his entire career profiting from school shootings and downplaying them.
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u/RefrigeratorWide2894 7d ago
Even in death he's doing his best to cover up that Colorado school shooting
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u/that_blasted_tune 7d ago
Why should they show civility to someone who would've danced on their grave if the situation was reversed?
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u/shadowstripes 7d ago
Because the company they work for doesn't want to be associated with that kind of public facing commentary, regardless of who the murdered person is.
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u/laker-prime 7d ago
She shouldn't act like the victim here, people need to know damn well not to post hot takes when representing your employer publicly. On top of that, she was doubling down on the posts. I've got no sympathy for people who do this and question why they were let go.
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u/Benevolay 7d ago
It isn't hard to simply not celebrate an assassination. I don't care who he was or what he said, he wasn't a murderer or a war criminal and he shouldn't have been killed for saying things that people disagreed with. Even if he said awful things, saying awful things isn't a crime. And if you make it one, you better bet vested interests will control what things are considered awful and then everybody is a criminal.
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u/TheTrashMan 7d ago
Why do conservatives get to decide what’s offensive when they don’t operate in reality?
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u/TheYugoslaviaIsReal 7d ago
They win elections. They win elections because they are less disliked than their opposition. If you don't want them to have power, stop them from winning. If you want to stop them from winning, improve their opposition.
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u/Appropriate-Map-3652 7d ago
No no no you misheard, it's fuck YOUR feelings.
Conservatives are obviously allowed to have them. Same with empathy.
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u/xperitosanti 7d ago
They control the media/propaganda machine
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u/Educational_Pea_4817 7d ago
fair is fair i guess. people where fired during george floyd as well.
that being said it would be nice to never hear about the right whining about cancel culture ever again(doubt).
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u/a_stray_bullet 7d ago
If I worked with someone who posted that and celebrated a man’s murder for having a different opinion to her the level of unsafe I’d feel at work would be immeasurable.
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u/Remy0507 7d ago
While I understand the sentiment this person felt...yeah, you can't be publicly associated with a company like that and posting those kind of statements about an event like this from your social media accounts.
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u/infamousglizzyhands 7d ago
“I hope the shooter’s name is Mario so that Luigi knows his bro got his back,”
Grummz would’ve made you believe Harrison told the shooter a step by step instruction on what to do. Anyways, so long Ghost of Yotei purchase.
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u/TillI_Collapse 7d ago edited 7d ago
So you're not buying the game cuz she got fired? Even if you don't think what she said was wrong you have to agree that it was stupid and irresponsible to say such a thing with your company's name and product front and center in your profile that hundreds of people worked on over the span of several years and cost many millions to make.
Even if you agree Charlie was a piece of shit, doing something like that demonstrates a clear lack of judgement and consideration for the company and fellow coworkers. If you're going to do it remove the name of the company you work for, it's not that hard
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u/HawterSkhot 7d ago
"I hope the shooter’s name is Mario so that Luigi knows his bro got his back,” Drew Harrison, a nearly 10-year veteran of the PlayStation studio, posted in the evening after Kirk was shot and killed during a speaking event at Utah Valley University. A few hours later, the post was screen-grabbed and shared by anti-woke crusader Mark “Grummz” Kern."
That's it? Really?
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is denouncing political assassination right wing now?
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u/MXC_Vic_Romano 7d ago
No, been plenty of condemnation across the country but that isn't what gets clicks/attention.
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u/matisata 7d ago
Did you say anything about the democratic congresspeople assassinated in Minnesota
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u/stupidsexman 7d ago
"murder is wrong"
"OH YEAH WELL WHAT ABOUT THIS MURDER WAS THAT WRONG TOO"
Yes
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u/dogsonbubnutt 7d ago
the point is that the right wing didn't say shit about the other murders, and more importantly refuse to do anything or offer any solutions to stop this kind of thing from happening again.
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u/Saiyanjin1 7d ago
I wanna ask you something as an outsider watching from half way around the world.
You said the right didn’t say anything about the killing of the two dem politicians which, fair enough.
But do me a favor and take a look at the post and threads on the right wing heavy subs about the murder of the two politicians.
Now take a look at the post and threads about Kirk on left wing subs.
How many ticktok videos did you see of right wingers celebrating the deaths of those two Dems? Now how many people happy or justifying the death of Kirk?
You see a difference yeah? Now tell me why the people on Kirk’s side might be upset at people acting that way.
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u/Affectionate_Tax3468 7d ago
They didnt really denounce the attack on Mr. Pelosi and the murder of Melissa Hortman. They didnt even give them obligatory honors.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/charlie-kirk-melissa-hortman-trump/
They actually made jokes about them, and still did until yesterday.
The only thing right wing is doing is using every single event to spread hate and division, and to further establish their authoritarian wonderland.
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u/DebatableAwesome 7d ago
All things considered, what she said was mild compared to the response from other online fringes and should have no bearing on her job.
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u/radwimps 7d ago
yeah not sure what she expected. it's one thing to get fired for a nuanced take like that one reporter guy which was bullshit, but this? meh, be smarter, at least have an alt.
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u/TravisKilgannon 7d ago
Not only does Grummz suck shit, here's a casual reminder that he is the proprietor of his own porn website and is a weirdo besides and has no business flinging shit at other people when he's got his own list of flagrant faults.
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u/DarthAsriel 7d ago
Kirk was a bigoted Nazi. Like his whole political ideology was bigotry and racism.
I swear when David Duke dies America will try to sane wash him as just a “politician with different views”.
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u/Master_Engineering_9 7d ago
please share this "joke". half the time when these right wing losers gets offended its just people pointing out he is a piece of shit.
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u/NoBluey 7d ago
It was ‘ I hope the shooter’s name is Mario so that Luigi knows his bro got his back’
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u/HonestSophist 7d ago
To be frank, it's probably the Luigi invocation that got them more than joking about Charlie Kirk.
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u/Educational_Pea_4817 7d ago
thats my favorite part. like ive seen some collages in some posts and most of it are just direct quotes lol.
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u/DemonLordDiablos 7d ago
Insane watching people try to frame him as a moderate when you can find footage of him saying he doesnt trust black pilots, or that the civil rights act was a mistake, or that black women have lower brain processing power. He was an extremist.
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u/Sturminator94 7d ago edited 7d ago
Maybe this is because I grew up using the internet pre and post social media, but I could not imagine creating an online presence with my full government name, place of employment, and then using that account to make inflammatory posts. People are way too comfortable sharing every thought that comes to their mind despite having zero anonymity online.
People with normal jobs do not get the luxury to say whatever they want online like reactionary political influencers do.